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Edited by GastonRabbit on Apr 30th 2025 at 11:56:51 AM
Like I said, there isn't a way for me to weasel my way out of this. I've skirted around the guideline too many times, to the point I've become arrogant for it. I could promise to never write these kind of toxic snippets in edit reasons ever again, but I know you would need a drastic reason to believe me on this in regards to my edit history over the years.
I will accept any condition should you decide to release my suspension, given this is my second time here and third chances aren't exactly a thing. If another troper reports me again for rudeness with conclusive proof, that'll be it, no appeals attempted.
"They played us like a DAMN FIDDLE!" — Kazuhira Miller, Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom PainAlright, ~HighCrate, I had asked to tap out of this one, but it seems like you've been left hanging a bit, and I can understand your frustration. So let's try to wrap this up.
You did list out the various steps you've taken. The fundamental concern I have is that these all, to one degree or another, were fixes to issues that added to stress and conflict in the unreleased work speculation thread, and were fairly back to back.
I want your participation in that thread to be more measured, and in doing so prevent more back-to-back issues. The unreleased work policy is still fairly fresh, and people's interpretations are, by virtue of that, going to have more potential for disagreement. That's fine. What's not fine, is pushing forward with minimal consideration for others who want to participate constructively and their only misstep is not agreeing with your take. This appears to have been the common thread for all the issues that came up.
If you haven't seen a trailer, and others have, let them take the lead on curating that page. If you and another troper disagree on the application of a trope, ask and wait for others to give their say instead of making edits. If you feel things are going around in circles, holler for a mod to swing by. If you are getting frustrated with others and feel they are misapplying this new policy, then A) step away, B) holler for a mod's opinion.
If we can agree that these are good steps to take, then I will release your suspension, with thanks for your patience. The extended wait (aside from the 2-weeks mandated by me) was not intentional.
Thank you for speaking sincerely about this with me. You're right, I was starting to get a little frustrated, but I feel like we're having a productive dialogue now.
Everything you said sounds reasonable, but in the interests of preventing misunderstandings I would like to ask for clarification on one point.
When you say, "If you haven't seen a trailer, and others have, let them take the lead on curating that page," here's how I see that playing out in practice. I might post in the thread something like, "Hey, this page seems to have a lot of problems. I'm not a big fan of this particular franchise; would someone who is like to take a crack at fixing them?" Then wait and see what they do. If they take care of the problems, great. If they take an honest crack at fixing them but I don't feel they go quite far enough, that's something that can be hashed out in the thread. If nobody speaks up within a reasonable timeframe— say a few days or a week— that's when I should consider taking action myself. And when I say "taking action," I mean making an effortpost in the thread or making changes to a sandbox page so that objections can be brought up and resolved before changes are made to the live page.
That all sounds fine to me if that's what you mean. What I don't want to happen is for "let them take the lead" to be code for "they get unilateral veto power and I get no say." I believe that the sort of fan who watches every trailer religiously is more likely— not certain, but more likely— to be the sort of person who likes to shoehorn their favorite tropes into their favorite works and be generally hostile to cleanup efforts. That's not necessarily a conscious thing and I think it's usually not malicious, but it's something I've observed in several cleanup threads before now.
I'm fine with letting the die-hard fans have "first right of refusal" on cleanup, so to speak. I don't think it's wise to give them carte blanche.
Does that sound reasonable?
@Nombretomado: I'm sorry for trying to do what had happened with the PM regarding Nightelf 37 earlier. What I did was wrong and I won't let my anger get the best of me.
I promise I will not threaten to silence someone like this again and think more carefully before I say it.
Edited by HotmanX32 on May 15th 2019 at 2:04:42 PM
Trope Pantheon Story siteI would like to request - if it's not too much trouble - that my suspension is appealed. My apologies if I did anything wrong, I will try my best to avoid making the same mistakes.
Will I be unsuspended? From what I gather, the mistakes I did was for zero contexts, but I get it now. And also my question was still left unanswered: Why is the page, From the Fatherland, with Love, is called stub when I already add descriptions and contexts for the tropes?
And also, I may or may not be suspended, when I'm trying to recreate a deleted (cut) page. Why is that? Was this also the reason of my suspension?
~HighCrate, I can't think of any circumstance where we give a troper, or group of tropers, carte blanche as you've described it on examples. Even locked clean-up threads (like Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard) work by consensus.
The first write-up of that meets what I intend. If it does happen where overenthusiasm leads to some questionable troping, then, just as in any circumstance, you have a right to bring it up and engender correction. Just be diplomatic about it - "I know I don't know this work as well as you, but [Trope A] requires [this], which your write-up doesn't indicate. If that's not part of it, it doesn't qualify as [Trope A]." It helps to bring this up in the thread, civilly, so it is out there, documented in the thread, and others can give their opinion on it one way or another.
Are we on the same page?
~HotmanX32, your PM was very much out of line. Primarily, it's pseudo-modding. Barring the roleplay subforums, the listed mod team has the final call on whether or not a troper can participate in a forum. If you have a problem with a troper violating community conduct, you should have reported them to us, via holler, PM, or private ATT report. All of these tools were readily available to you, but, as far as I can see, you did not utilize them at all. Instead, you chose to threaten with an authority you do not have. If you truly want minimal communication with a troper, then you can block them from PM, and decline to interact with their posts in any forum thread you have in common.
Second to that, is the rudeness, which speaks for itself.
Participating in a forum means that there is inherent risk of running across someone who annoys you, but isn't violating any rules. If you cannot constructively deal with that, you end up here because you lash out.
Are we clear? How are you going to handle this moving forward?
Edited by nombretomado on May 16th 2019 at 1:41:25 AM
@Nombretomado - We're on the same page. Thank you for indulging me. It's not that I thought any different, but I'd rather bring it up while we're already here talking than have it come up later.
Yes, there's going to be a lot of Conversational Troping, but I'm just trying to get my message across to you. Especially since my suspension prevents me from speaking anywhere else.
I was an active and eager contributor on this site, until I got suspended a while ago. The reason for this is because I vandalised a page after snapping from a fit of rage. But my breakdown was mainly out of shame and self-loathing. The reason for this is because I trusted TV Tropes as a reliable source of information, and it ruined my life. However, it actually ruined my life, because the negative part of the TV Tropes community has given me personal issues like anxiety, depression, Stepford Smiling, existentialism, nihilism and misanthropy. The negative community I'm talking about are the users who focus on the cynical side of the Sliding Scale of Idealism vs. Cynicism, because no matter how many idealistic or trivial pages there are, there will be someone adding their cynical point of view to the page and leaving a blemish which brings people down right when they've recently been uplifted by their newfound sense of hope. However, my message is not that I reject cynical worldviews, but I'm making a statement about how the Troper community tends to Accentuate the Negative, as can be said on its page:
- TV Tropes itself tends to have this problem at times. More negative tropes are seen around here more than positive ones. Some tropers here tend to be really itching to add negative tropes on shows they don't like here. Not to mention the fact that TV Tropes Will Ruin Your Life. Recently, there has been a movement to lower such negativity in this wiki.
- You'll notice that people have to be reminded to not bash things. From the main page:
"We are also not a wiki for bashing things. Once again, we're about celebrating fiction, not showing off how snide and sarcastic we can be."
However, it is not just that: the wiki also bashes real people and sees the world with Black-and-White Morality. Aside from the anti-humanity bias (which I will not cover in fear of becoming just like the bad people you perceive), it also demeans video game players who make evil choices with tropes like You Bastard! and What the Hell, Player?, which either results in Do Not Do This Cool Thing (since you're more focused on players being evil than nice and pacifistic) or pressure to say "Hey, choose the less ethical option so we can call you out for it". This also applies to fandoms, talking more about Fan Dumb and Hate Dumb than the decent fans. There are tropes like Artist Disillusionment and Why Fandom Can't Have Nice Things that claim all fans to be Fan Dumb. This generalization of communities being Always Chaotic Evil doesn't sit well with me. Notable offenders are the Terraria YMMV page (which portrays Terraria players as Complete Monsters and even directly says to the reader "You are a horrible person!") and the Real Life WMG page (which features many cynics complaining about how the real world and everyone in it sucks). Even though it's not your intention, I've grown disillusioned with the wiki because of how it's starting to lose its way, constantly reinforcing its ideology of "Negativity is Superior and We're Going To Rub It In Your Face".
I hate to give you a “The Reason You Suck” Speech, but this issue needs to be addressed. I am not trying to seem petty or self-entitled, but I'm trying to make a point that TV Tropes is veering away from its original purpose to be a haven of creation, and it's now become an outlet for people to vent their cynicism. This is not what I came here for. Recently my mental condition and self-image are starting to improve, becoming an Anti-Nihilist at best. Don't take my message hard, use it as constructive criticism and an opportunity to be better. Because my ideal TV Tropes is for everyone to enjoy, not just cynics. Even if my suspension is kept, I hope that you will read my message and make a change.
You can feel any way you like; that doesn't give you the right to lash out or vandalize our articles. You are expected to be mature enough to deal with people's opinions constructively. If you cannot, that's on you, not on us. TV Tropes is not responsible for your emotional stability.
The moderation team generally believes that we should be taking a less cynical view of media, there are dedicated topics for cleaning up negativity, and you are welcome to aid in that by editing articles, posting in Ask The Tropers and the forums, and generally contributing to these efforts. Going off on rants about it and then rage quitting is possibly the least mature and, ironically, most cynical way you could deal with the problem.
I will address one specific point: if a YMMV page is calling players of a game Complete Monsters, that needs to stop because it explicitly violates our policies. Any such examples should be deleted immediately.
Edited to add: I see no reference to the Complete Monster trope on the YMMV.Terraria article, nor has there ever been such an example per the history.
Edited by Fighteer on May 17th 2019 at 9:07:38 AM
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"Hi. Me again. Before I get unsuspended, am I even allowed to add a deleted page that you deemed as "zero context" and "stub"?
Or will that just get me suspended like before? Just like right now?
So, can I edit again?
Apparently you’re supposed to put some witty quote here.Hello i would like to edit again, i am not very tech savy and i assumed wrongly that if i made a post someone else would link my examples to the site, i apologize for the trouble ive caused, and i would like to be instructed on how to properly edit or provide examples on this site.
@Nombretamado By thinking before I do something, not letting my anger get best of me, exercise an authority that I do not have and use the following tools you've told me (I.e: either he holler button, Pm you or the other Mods about a troper not following the rules, or use private ATT.) To solve a problem.
Secondly and foremost, I will not by any means say anything rude to anyone, ever. Even if they have said nothing rude to me.
Or by stepping away and calm down first, then contact you.
Trope Pantheon Story siteI got a message saying "Your permissions for this area have been suspended."
I would like to apologize for having gotten this suspension. I wish to know what I could do to resolve this and improve my conduct.
~HotmanX32, alright. I've released your suspension. I do not want to hear even a hint of this recurring, or you will find yourself back here exceptionally fast.
~nombretomado what you have said to HotmanX32 (backseat modding, chronic rudeness) applies to me as well, perhaps even moreso, given you personally told me to course correct weeks ago in an ATT thread.
Now, I can assure you that I can keep a cool head when I'm serious about editing and presenting discussions. I know exactly what tools and threads are at my disposal should a problem occur; the only thing I needed to let go of is my accrued arrogance and resulting hostile behavior, of which this suspension was the right thing to suppress from a mod perspective.
"They played us like a DAMN FIDDLE!" — Kazuhira Miller, Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain~AnoBakaDesu, attitude problems is one of those suspendable behaviors that tropers find difficult to correct. You can check Administrivia pages for correct formatting, check in on Get Help with English, use "Is this an example?", etc. all day long, but if you are consistently being a dick, that's 100% on you to proactively recognize and fix. You've appeared to recognize it here, but I really cannot stress how much any correction is on you.
And, since you've brought it up, I did give you that advice a while ago, but you still ended up here.
So, this is your second suspension. And a third is generally where we draw the line. If I do release you here, you are not going to be able to appeal for any TVT participation - editing, forum-posting, etc. I want you to not only A) recognize that you have a problem, but also B) accept that there are no external directions for "avoiding being a dick", and C) failure to comport yourself appropriately will end your tenure with TVTropes.
What do you say?
~Revolutionary_Jack, you were edit-warring on YMMV.Game Of Thrones S 8 E 5 The Bells and GameOfThrones.Tropes G To K, as well shoehorning examples to support your bias.
~Amiranda3883, we have lots of guidelines for new editors, in Administrivia. The most salient points are that you have issues with grammar, spelling, and punctuation and aren't utilizing wicks properly. To start, you should check in on Text Formatting Rules and Tips for Editing.
~melonypineapple, I haven't seen in your previous posts proof that you understand what constitutes sufficient context. If you haven't, check in on Zero-Context Example and rewrite this edit of yours to Shivers to have good context.
- Black Widow: Bill in The Locked Door.
Also, yes, the rude PM is what got your PM privileges suspended.
~FragWall, you haven't taken what Fighteer
said to heart. You cannot create stub work pages (i.e. work pages without 3 good examples). You cannot write examples of tropes without context. Both of these habits only create more work for other tropers.
~MichaelSar, you also edit-warred, on Characters.The Big Bang Theory The Core Group. If an example is under debate (i.e. it gets removed after you added it), the solution is not to continue adding your edits. You have to discuss disagreements constructively with the other troper(s).
I think we are caught up. Please let me know if you've been missed.
Edited by nombretomado on May 19th 2019 at 5:50:58 AM
Well, I can hardly add it if I’m suspended. I wrote an explanation. Should I show it to you in this thread? Also, is that the only example that needs an explanation?
The page didn’t really tell me anything new. I get it, explain. Again, for larger works I think it’s better to explain character tropes in the Characters page, but since Shivers is very brief at the moment, I concede it’s better to explain on the main page.
Apparently you’re supposed to put some witty quote here.

~Ano Baka Desu
It appears that you have a difficult time being civil. You had accumulated quite a few rudeness notifiers over the years, and just recently, you were backseat modding—in a condescending manner, no less—on Destiny 2.