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This is the thread we use to talk things over with people who have received a suspension notice. A lot of the time the notice goes out just so we can explain how seriously we take certain things, not because we want the person to feel bad and go away.

If you're suspended, give What to Do If You Are Suspended a read, then post here to begin your appeal. We try to respond to appeals in order via batch posts every few days. If a moderator has responded to your appeal, you will receive a notification in your private messages, even if you're suspended from PMs.

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Edited by GastonRabbit on Apr 30th 2025 at 11:56:51 AM

AnCatDubh Since: Jun, 2010
#1751: Sep 12th 2012 at 9:39:25 AM

And if there were an article about it, would the facts that sex becomes painful (although, contrary to common belief, orgasm is still achievable) and childbirth become excruciatingly painful, as well as that the conditions are unsanitary and many girls die in the process, be mentioned?

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#1752: Sep 12th 2012 at 9:43:22 AM

Not unless those are relevant to media. Fictional media. As in, some author out there is likely to write a novel or a film where he describes FGM in positive terms and needs to be disabused of that notion. Since I can't think of any such works that are listed on this wiki, the topic is irrelevant to us.

Again, you are misunderstanding the purpose of the wiki. As such, we will not be restoring your editing privileges. That's the final word. Also, we won't debate this further with you.

edited 12th Sep '12 9:44:00 AM by Fighteer

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AnCatDubh Since: Jun, 2010
#1753: Sep 12th 2012 at 10:00:15 AM

...Are you serious? You really can’t see the Double Standard here? ‘The bad effects of male circumcision, especially when performed by someone whose not a doctor, should barely be mentioned, but God forbid someone treated FGM as a positive thing (such as a rite of passage for lots and lots of traditional Africans and Bedouins).’ There are works of fiction that mention brit mila as a happy rite of passage without the increased sensitivity to pain, how the baby’s body becomes completely tense and rigid, or the metsitsa bape (a practice that is just now getting some attention by the Israeli media; many Israelis used to think that was just a myth)―shouldn’t they be informed as well?

This is not the Rule Of Cautious Editing Judgment. This is plain and simple bias. Unban me for an hour, I’d like to edit my userpage; after that, I’ll have no need or will to continue editing with this clear Double Standard.

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Lost in Space
#1754: Sep 12th 2012 at 10:03:54 AM

Oh, grow up. We aren't in the business of treating real life things as positive or negative. Facts are facts, and we only care about what applies to media and doesn't get people riled up. If you're that mad about it, just leave.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
AnCatDubh Since: Jun, 2010
#1755: Sep 12th 2012 at 10:24:42 AM

But this does get people riled up. The only difference is you hear less from those people. And by the way, there are even works of fiction glorifying human sacrifice. How would that be treated on this Wiki?

If you decide to completely overlook the downsides of traditional ceremonies like those, fine, just make sure you’re not discriminating. There’s also the issue that while calling RL people ‘evil’ is entirely averted, even when discussing people like Adolf Hitler and Joseph Stalin, the bias towards fictional characters is extremely blatant: on Death Note you deem the person who reduced crime by 70% and abolished wars ‘evil’, and on Dexter you do the same with a person who’s saved countless lives over the years―I’m pretty sure anarchists would not be pleased with this judgement. Or, you can make a clearly defined rules as to what constitutes evil―rape, theft, bullying in general, and/or murder for purely selfish reasons*

, for one, can be defined as evil, and this definition will apply only to those proven to be so (thus a politician suspected of starting wars to stay in power will not be deemed evil, but one who has said that’s what he was doing and not in Sarcasm Mode will).

I’ll be willing to go by the rules (as long as they’re perfectly clear and I get a fair warning before getting banned), as I’ve done for the vast majority of my stay here, as long as they’re not biased. If they are, I just want to edit my userpage (there’s a glaring typo there I’m dying to fix) and leave.

EDIT: Oh, and by the way? When stuff like babies catching herpes, getting maimed, and sometimes dying getting left out gets me ‘riled up’, as well as lots of intactivists, just like ‘He killed lots of people’ getting left off of pages about famous dictators or serial killers would ‘rile up’ lots of people.

edited 12th Sep '12 10:34:29 AM by AnCatDubh

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shimaspawn MOD from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#1756: Sep 12th 2012 at 12:29:07 PM

As much as I agree with some of your points, this is not the time or place for them. There are all sorts of places on the internet to discuss real world atrocities. We only cover the fictional ones on the wiki itself. Please limit yourself to fictional works on this site.

edited 12th Sep '12 12:58:47 PM by shimaspawn

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Evulzboy from North Philadelphia Since: Mar, 2011 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#1757: Sep 12th 2012 at 1:41:01 PM

I won't chat in the discussion pages anymore. I'll read the rules again to avoid causing a ruckus. Again, I'm sorry.

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Kuuenbu from Columbus, OH Since: Apr, 2012
#1759: Sep 12th 2012 at 5:35:48 PM

Decided to let things simmer a bit before replying again. I get what you're saying, even though I do think everyone gets more pissed off than they're willing to show (how much is up to them). I do promise not to delve into Nerd Rage wikiing again, or at least make a strongly concerted attempt to not to so. I'm ready to have my ability to make regular old-fashioned edits back whenever you're willing. grin

edited 12th Sep '12 5:36:27 PM by Kuuenbu

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#1760: Sep 13th 2012 at 8:02:40 AM

@Kuuenbu: We can give this another try. We all get upset when we see people doing stupid stuff. Maturity is demonstrated by not letting our emotions control our responses. This is, after all, just a wiki. It's not worth getting enraged over.

Suspension lifted.

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XiphosOrochi666 True King Of Yggdrasil from Dark Reflection-Glitch River Since: Feb, 2012
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#1761: Sep 13th 2012 at 8:58:05 AM

I understand that writing about inappropriate things in a red link is completely unnecessary and I would like my editing privileges back please. If not then I will accept the suspension without an argument. From Xiphos Orochi 666

P.S The pages I edited a long while ago needed more examples,so I hope that my contributions have been useful.

edited 13th Sep '12 8:59:01 AM by XiphosOrochi666

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Fighteer MOD Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
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#1762: Sep 13th 2012 at 9:38:53 AM

Xiphos, I'm giving you a one month suspension. After that you may get your editing privileges back.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
SorataZ Since: May, 2011
#1763: Sep 13th 2012 at 1:01:52 PM

I don't get why I was restricted from editing and honestly I don't care. I'll simply make a new account and continue as usual, unless you can actually tell me the reason. Also, sending me a PM and deactivating the PM system for me is hardly useful.

edited 13th Sep '12 1:12:47 PM by SorataZ

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Lost in Space
#1764: Sep 13th 2012 at 1:13:48 PM

@SorataZ: You don't tell someone who notifies you for natter to mind their own business. That's against our wiki policy on civility.

Now, if you had come here and been polite about this whole thing, we'd be more willing to work with you. But now we get this whole, "if you don't unban me, I'll evade it" deal. Frankly, you just shot down any chance you had of getting us on your side.

Is this how you always react to criticism?

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Ironeye MOD Cutmaster-san from SoCal Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Falling within your bell curve
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#1765: Sep 13th 2012 at 1:14:13 PM

Edit: Ninja'd by Fighteer

edited 13th Sep '12 1:14:39 PM by Ironeye

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Willbyr MOD Hi (Y2K) Relationship Status: With my statistically significant other
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#1766: Sep 13th 2012 at 1:14:45 PM

Double-ninja'd.

edited 13th Sep '12 1:15:09 PM by Willbyr

SorataZ Since: May, 2011
#1767: Sep 13th 2012 at 1:15:50 PM

No, only today because I'm somewhat pissed after what happened at work today. I suggest I'll come back tomorrow when my head is a little less filled with rage and we talk it out. I am REALLY not in the mood for it right now.

MJC Since: Feb, 2011
#1768: Sep 14th 2012 at 12:09:15 AM

Appears I'm suspended, not sure why.

In any case, I'd like to edit again and will observe any rules I happened to have unknowingly violated.

lu127 MOD Paper Master from 異界 Since: Sep, 2011 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#1769: Sep 14th 2012 at 12:56:29 AM

You have a bad Natter record, ignoring Repair Dont Respond and turning entries into conversations. For example:

Characters.Naruto-Akatsuki:

  • It's recently been revealed that this actually WAS Madara's fan. After Madara is revived, he gives it back to him.

Repair Dont Respond, violation of Examples Are Not Recent.

Characters.Avatar The Last Airbender The Fire Nation:

  • This remains to be seen. It's possible she'll make a legitimate Heel–Face Turn during the course of the story.

Natter. WMG does not belong on main pages.

The Smurfette Principle:

  • One of the four emperors, Big Mom, is female.

Incorrect Example Indentation.

CerebusSyndrome.Anime And Manga:

  • You could say that the series has gradually gotten more and more serious, culminating in the War Arc, which was almost completely serious and ended with Luffy being completely defeated and his brother dying in his arms. After the Time Skip the series has gone back to the lighter tone of the earlier arcs, but there's little doubt that it'll get darker as the crew goes deeper into the New World.

More natter, continuing from the previous nattery point. Bullet points aren't paragraph breaks and aren't to be used for elaboration.

edited 14th Sep '12 12:57:52 AM by lu127

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MJC Since: Feb, 2011
#1770: Sep 14th 2012 at 1:07:53 AM

Understood.

If given access to edit again, I'll make sure not to engage in Natter and to avoid turning articles into conversations and unnecessary elaboration.

lu127 Paper Master from 異界 Since: Sep, 2011 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#1771: Sep 14th 2012 at 1:13:18 AM

Let's try this: give Repair Dont Respond and Example Indentation a thorough read. Then tell me what you understand you must do by reading them.

"If you aren't him, then you apparently got your brain from the same discount retailer, so..." - Fighteer
MJC Since: Feb, 2011
#1772: Sep 14th 2012 at 1:29:45 AM

Ok.

Repair Dont Respond - If I find an entry that I believe is inaccurate, I should fix it rather than getting into a conversation about why I believe it is incorrect.

Example Indentation - One bullet per trope name in a specific work. If there's more than one example of a trope, it gets two bullets. If an example is long I should use the \\ markup rather than another bullet. Three-bullet situations should be rare and indicate the list is bordering on Thread Mode.

Let me know if I got anything wrong. Again, I'm making no effort to be malicious or spam anything as I greatly enjoy this site. Thanks.

lu127 Paper Master from 異界 Since: Sep, 2011 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#1773: Sep 14th 2012 at 1:37:44 AM

The first is correct. If it is entirely Not An Example, then it should be removed with an edit reason.

Now, Example Indentation works like this:

If there is only one example:

  • Bleach: Character X does blahblahblah.

If there is more than one example:

  • Bleach:
    • Character X does blahblahblah.
    • Character Z does blahblahblah.

Does this help?

"If you aren't him, then you apparently got your brain from the same discount retailer, so..." - Fighteer
MJC Since: Feb, 2011
#1774: Sep 14th 2012 at 1:46:05 AM

I understand.

The way Example Indentation works is that I should only use more indentations if there are multiple examples of the same trope in a given work.

One bullet per trope in a specific work, and I should only use two bullets if there is more than one example of the same trope in a given work. Three bullets should be rare and borders on discussion territory.

lu127 Paper Master from 異界 Since: Sep, 2011 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#1775: Sep 14th 2012 at 1:49:40 AM

Yes. If a work contains more than one example of the same trope, a single bullet is used for the work's name alone, while the examples go below into two separate bullet points.

I think you've done some studying, so I'll lift the suspension.

"If you aren't him, then you apparently got your brain from the same discount retailer, so..." - Fighteer

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