This is the thread we use to talk things over with people who have received a suspension notice. A lot of the time the notice goes out just so we can explain how seriously we take certain things, not because we want the person to feel bad and go away.
If you're suspended, give What to Do If You Are Suspended a read, then post here to begin your appeal. We try to respond to appeals in order via batch posts every few days. If a moderator has responded to your appeal, you will receive a notification in your private messages, even if you're suspended from PMs.
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Edited by Synchronicity on Jul 15th 2023 at 11:35:01 AM
Lost in Space
730Flare: I think not. You've been repeatedly thumped in the BlazBlue: Cross Tag Battle topic, and as far as I can tell you have no interest in changing your tune. Our number one rule here is "Don't be a dick", something you seem to be violating with contemptuous joy.
~Bab Clayton: Our main concern about your editing is grammar. Indentation and tone are also problems, of course, but you're consistently misusing capitalization and verb tenses. Take this, from Theatre.Titanic:
- Ensemble Cast: Rather than focus on one particular member on the Ship; the Show is focus on multiple members of the Crew and Passengers. Practically, every one has, at least, one solo during the Show?
"Ship", "Show", "Crew", and "Passengers" are not proper nouns and should not be capitalized. "is focus on" is incorrect verb tense. "has, at least, one solo" is incorrect comma usage, and as you noted before, you don't end declarative sentences with question marks. In fact, you should never phrase any sentence as a question on the wiki unless it's intended rhetorically or you're on a commentary subpage like Headscratchers or Fridge.
You may find our Help with English topic useful if you want to try to earn your editing privileges back. We can't restore them until you fix these problems.
~Blood Edge 152: Where in the world did all that come from? We don't want you to beat yourself to death with a wet noodle; we want you to fix the problems in your wiki editing, as described here.
Edited by Fighteer on Jul 17th 2018 at 8:31:16 AM
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Fighteer: Then I guess that there is no chance of lifting my suspension then? I see, thanks for clarifying.
I just got banned from posting in On-Topic Conversations. I've gotten pretty much all my Thumps from there so I can guess that's why I was banned from posting there?
Is it permanent? Might be for the best I suppose but just figured I'd ask.
Thank you in advance.
Lost in Space
730Flare: That's not entirely true. You could try to explain yourself, and we'll listen.
~Nikkolas: Your suspension is because we're tired of thumping conversations between you and Ambar Son Of Deshar. It's just getting ridiculous. Neither of you is willing to back off of the hostility; you continually strawman your opponents' arguments and accuse them of being ignorant and judgmental. In particular, you toss around accusations of "endorsing hatred and war crimes" without the slightest shred of evidence.
I'm sorry, but if you think that's good debating, or if you can't help yourself, you're going to have to stay banned from OTC.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Understandable. I apologise for violating the dis-recommendation rule.
Lost in Space
~Noir Striker: Alright. We can give you another shot, but since you're new, consider looking at our editing rules in Welcome to TV Tropes.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Fighteer: The closest excuse I can think for my behavior would be that in my last two posts, I was not actively antagonizing anyone in particular as I was basing it off what was being discussed in the previous pages. Granted passive-aggressiveness could still apply there. But aside from the forums whenever that topic is brought, I have not caused any further trouble beyond that.
Fighteer may I please have my license back if I promise not to make a major deletion
Lost in Space
730Flare: You were thumped three times previously over the things you said. I'm trying to make it clear that we don't tolerate people coming into topics and telling everybody how awful it is that they like something.
~Majin Vegeta: As you have yet to substantively address our concerns, you may consider your suspension permanent.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Thanks for responding. I just want to fully understand what mistakes I made in order to avoid making them again. Your post cleared it up a bit for me, but not entirely. I'll try and condense my post as much as I can but I apologies for this being rather long. I also want to reiterate that I'm not trying to be argumentative, just trying to understand.
Regarding shipping, I assume this is concerning an Alternate Character Interpretation entry I made. If so, it was an honest mistake on my part. Since the character in question was shown to be questioning her choice of the religious life a full season before the relationship element was introduced I thought it was a legitimate alternate interpretation (it is how I interpreted the storyline, and the word "alternate" is there in the trope name). I didn't post it to spite the ship in question; even if she didn't actually leave the order out of love I see no reason why she couldn't have fallen in love as time went on. But I see the point, mea culpa. I won't repeat the mistake.
Regarding natter, I don't recall that I made any such comment. Could you please clarify for me what specifically I posted that constitutes natter? I trust that it's there if you say it is, but I can't find it myself.
Regarding example indentation, I didn't realize I was breaking a rule. My fault for not keeping up to date with editing rules. I'll make sure to avoid doing this in the future.
Here's what confuses me though: I posted a couple of examples on that page, and all of them were removed. Let's exclude the Alternate Character Interpretation for the purpose of this query since I believe I've understood what I did wrong there, and if it broke the rules then I agree that it was the right call to remove it. I'm more confused with the the other entries in question.
First I posted was a Romantic Plot Tumor example, which was removed seemingly because it didn't support the ship in question if I recall the reason-for-editing comment correctly. I believe my reasoning is valid however, and I don't understand the logic behind its removal. Following that logic no example of this trope could ever be posted. I don't hate that ship, but I do find it to be a case of the mentioned trope. If it is indeed forbidden to use the wiki as a proxy for shipping arguments, as I agree that it should be, doesn't that mean that one also has to accept that not everyone ships the same couples as you do?
A day or two later I posted a Narm example, which was promptly removed as well, around the time I was suspended. The trope page for narm says that "narm is a moment that is supposed to be serious, but due to either over-sappiness, poor execution, excessive Melodrama, or the sheer absurdity of the situation, the drama is lost to the point of surpassing "cheesy" and becoming unintentionally funny." I love this show, but for me that frequently happens when they have storylines that are about how something bad is going to happen, but at the last second something dramatic happens that turns the situation around. In my opinion those moments are often overly sappy, poorly executed, overly dramatic, or full of way too much melodrama, therefore I thought it fit the "narm" trope. I had just finished watching the episode I posted as an example, which is why I chose that particular one. The Turners were involved, but the example had nothing to do with their relationship, and it was not the characters that made me find the storyline cheesy but the execution of the dramatic turn of events. I posted another example at the same time, which I believe was when I broke the rule of example indentation. I genuinely do find it hard to take some dramatic moments seriously because I feel the actor is over-acting those scenes, pushing them into melodrama. I don't feel that way because I'm not a Turnadette shipper, it's just the way I feel. I've seen similar examples posted on other pages numerous times before, which is why I thought it was okay to post it. I can't figure out what I did that meant the whole example warranted deleting, and I would very much appreciate to have it pointed out to me so that I can learn from my mistakes and not repeat them.
Going back to the topic of shipping, believe me, I understand what you're saying completely, and I do agree with all of it. I am open to the possibility that I might be 100 % wrong about this - in fact I hope that I am - but I can't help but feel like the reason why my entries were deleted, and possibly in part the reason why I was suspended (or reported for suspension - I'm not sure how the process works), is because I offended a Turnadette shipper. I was reading the main page for Call The Midwife before I posted on the YMMV sub-page, and I found it to be overflowing with descriptions that were very shipper-biased and did not belong on a main page. The way I've always understood it is that it's fine to gush about your favourite ships and post your subjective opinions on the YMMV page, but that the main page should be kept as clean and objective as possible. This was not the case here. To give just one example characters were said to ship this or that couple "with all the heat of a thousand burning suns" with little to no support for this in canon. Most of it pertained to the Turnadette ship, but there was also at least one example for a couple that I ship myself, Chummy and Noakes. Long story short I cleaned up the page based on how I've always understood the system to work. This was not about me hating on a particular ship - as mentioned I deleted things about a couple that I ship myself, and I didn't touch any such entries on the YMMV page. Then a few days later I find that my own edits on the YMMV page have been deleted, and I have been suspended. It might be strictly coincidence, and I might be the one who is completely in the wrong here, but I'm confused about it. As I said earlier, part of following the shipping rules has to be to accept that not everybody ships the same couple you do, hasn't it? Can we really go around and remove Romantic Plot Tumor examples, for instance, because we ship the couple in question?
Thanks for reading all of this, and my apologies for it being so long.
@ Fighteer
This wasn't the first debate I've had with Ambar regarding WW 2. I didn't save it tthe time because after each encounter I have with Ambar I try to forget the whole thing and move on but I very pointedly remember his attitude to anything the Allies did in WW 2 is "it's perfectly okay because the Axis were worse and provoked us thereby justifying anything we did to them and that includes the civilians who did absolutely none of the things I think deserve retribution."
I'm not going to talk about my feelings towards Ambar but suffice it to say i find it hard to maintain a level head around him because of his views. I liked OTC but it probably is better I just can't post in there.
Edited by Nikkolas on Jul 17th 2018 at 1:58:06 AM
My Patreon
What is the reason this time?
My Patreon. It is my life.
My apologies for what I speculate was a misapplied trope, that’s the only logical reason I can think of for the suspension due to being very civil, respectful, and using proper grammar and spelling. In short I feel I have met all the requirements and any error was an honest mistake. I would be very appreciative if you could reinstate my editing privileges Thank you.
Hi
~Carliro: Given everything that's cited here, there's more than enough reason.
~teachzebra: Looking at the last 10 or so pages you edited, I'm seeing consistent problems with example indentation, nattery edits, some punctuation issues, and a near complete lack of Wiki Wording trope names when you add them as examples.
Edited by Willbyr on Jul 17th 2018 at 10:27:47 AM
Your friendly neighbourhood Regent
I'm more than willing to make a promise to like that, provided you can define what you mean by 'pernicious arguments' for me.
As in... I genuinely can't be sure where the threshold is for you, all I can be sure of is that past evidence shows it's not in the same place it is for me.
Angry gets shit done.
Is there a chance, that I may be allowed to edit again? There was an answer about my mistakes, but nothing else about possibility of posting.
My Patreon
Ah, so basically pettiness. Should have figure as much.
My Patreon. It is my life.
My Patreon
And given the nature of some of these claims (i.e. deletions out of fear for TV Trope's past, outright admissions of hypocrisy, et cetera), I don't think you want to go that way.
Let me clean up the mess you've made.
Edited by Carliro on Jul 18th 2018 at 11:49:45 AM
My Patreon. It is my life.
Hi
How about we just nip this in the bud.
I see, I see. So I just need to add more content. OK, looks doable, I'll find a friend to help me out with context. Have I substantively addressed my problems? Only by editing would I know QAQ
Helping myself from an obsession with Susan
I was pretty much joking when I did the Maggie x Chibi Chibi and the Perpugilliam Nahasamapeemapetilon things
they're not serious and not made to troll
I am Kymicsu and I'm trying to get less obsessed to Susan.
How sweet it is
It doesn't matter if you were "just joking". It stops being funny if you cross the line. Romantic shipping involving an infant/toddler is uncool.
Edited by Fighteer on Jul 19th 2018 at 4:44:46 AM
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I think I was suspended for a bunch of ongoing issues rather than one big one, and if my ranting towards these subjects was making people uncomfortable, I’m going to straight up apologize. That is on me. Personally I was upset at what I thought was a hit piece on fandom and I’ve been saying I’m sick of those on both ends on the spectrum. I’ll take a temporary leave if that’s what it takes, but I didn’t intend to make people uncomfortable.
Working backwards here...
~Robrecht: You've had some time — more than the few days we said earlier. I want you to promise that you will avoid these pernicious arguments about political ideologies. They just don't seem to be things that people can let go.
~Noir Striker: Your very first edits were to violate our policy about "dis-recommendations" on Fanfic Recs pages. We smell an agenda here, which we frown on. Please don't think that you can use our wiki to carry on a fight that started somewhere else.
~Evighet: Take whatever time you need, and we do generally encourage the use of this topic to discuss editing problems when you're suspended, rather than private messages. I'll explain a few things in more detail, but the policy articles I linked have the complete rules you need to pay attention to.
~Jeager EX 12: Your edits contain significant grammar errors. For example, on VideoGame.Red Resurrection:
"[S]ightly" should be "slight".
On Video Game.Commandos:
"[T]o carrying" should be "to carry". "[M]ay planned to revealed to be" is nonsense, but could be rewritten "may have planned to reveal it to be".
You must improve before you can be allowed to edit again. One way to do this is to post edits you'd like to make in this topic
so that other tropers can help you proofread them.
Edited by Fighteer on Jul 17th 2018 at 8:31:37 AM
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"