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1204UFP Since: Jun, 2015
#13401: Jan 10th 2017 at 3:51:46 AM

I've been suspended scene October of last year. Can I please talk to someone about this, no one is responding to me.

Fighteer MOD Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#13402: Jan 10th 2017 at 4:59:27 AM

[up] We replied every single time. You didn't bother to look. So, as I said to you last time, you are now bounced.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
lledsmar Since: Oct, 2015
#13403: Jan 10th 2017 at 2:13:43 PM

Give me an example of adequate content, please. Just want to know how to edit pages.

edited 10th Jan '17 2:15:37 PM by lledsmar

Fighteer MOD Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#13404: Jan 11th 2017 at 1:02:59 PM

[up] That's not how it works. You post here an example you want to add and we'll explain what constitutes proper context.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
SorPepita Grammar Nazi Extraordinaire from Laugh Tale Since: Jul, 2013 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Grammar Nazi Extraordinaire
#13405: Jan 11th 2017 at 1:53:50 PM

OK, something happened and I just happen to find it quiiite a bit unfair.

I'll accept my n-th edit suspension for re-adding Zero Context Examples despite the fact that you don't always apply the same criteria for every page (I add a debatably Zero Context Example in the Malazan Book of the Fallen, I get suspended; I add the same kind of example for a less known work and nobody cares), which I would argue makes learning how to do it really well quiiite a bit more complicated than I think it should be. But what I don't like at all is that you have reversed all I have done. All of it. I have fixed typos too, but well, there they are again and if the Grammar Nazi recovers his edit privileges he will have to fix them twice! That's a nice form of appreciation for my anti-typo work. And what has happened too? Well, tropes that I'm pretty sure were no longer Zero Context Examples thanks to my edit (like Mother of A Thousand Young; I wrote that said Mother was the Mother of All Dragons, there is the context!) have been dismissed along with the true Zero Context ones. Is this how I'm supposed to learn from my mistakes? Deleting all of my work like all of it was equally wrong, like I'm some kind of heresiarch who couldn't write anything valuable?

I'm severely disappointed in your disciplinary measures.

edited 11th Jan '17 1:57:11 PM by SorPepita

When the Darth Wiki was truly Darth: http://web.archive.org/web/20151224131522/http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/DarthWiki/WallBanger
Fighteer MOD Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#13406: Jan 11th 2017 at 2:05:10 PM

~Sor Pepita: If you know the ZCE rules, why do you willingly break them when editing articles? Believe it or not, you aren't the only troper capable of making grammar and content corrections, but you don't earn a passing grade for effort if the mess you left behind is worse than the mess you cleaned up. I reverted it to make for less work for other editors.

Also, "other articles do it wrong" is not any kind of justification for doing it wrong yourself. We don't have wiki police following all our users around; we address problems when they are noticed and brought to our attention.

I should add that I reviewed some of your work on that article and your "expansions" to ZCEs mainly failed to add useful context.

For example,

to

does not address the lack of context in the slightest. If that's what you think constitutes a quality example, then we have some work to do. For bonus points, it abuses our spoiler policy. We also have some work to do on your attitude.

edited 11th Jan '17 2:11:06 PM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
SorPepita Grammar Nazi Extraordinaire from Laugh Tale Since: Jul, 2013 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Grammar Nazi Extraordinaire
#13407: Jan 11th 2017 at 2:23:09 PM

I think that my attitude was pretty nice in my former suspensions, but don't take my word for it: check it yourself and correct me if I'm wrong. It's the reversal of my edit in this one what has soured it.

And I know that I'm not the only one capable of fixing typos, but what I also know is that pretty often I'm the only one willing (not capable, WILLING) to do it. In fact, if someone would kindly take the effort to fix the typos that I had fixed and re-add the tropes to which I had added real context (like the Mother of A Thousand Young) I'll have absolutely nothing to complain about, believe me (although I have to wonder if that's really less work for them). And maybe I don't really know the ZCE rules. Sometimes I think of a page as a whole: maybe one trope hasn't enough context by itself, but the rest of the page provides it. If a character is clearly evil based in the rest of his tropes, and has a picture of him being bald, Bald of Evil turns self-explanatory. I may be wrong. That may not be what TV Tropes wants. But it seems valid for me. Sometimes I make mistakes like any imperfect human being: in your example I provided context for Dragnipur, not for the trope itself. I should have made it better, sure. But I don't think it deserves the reversal.

edited 11th Jan '17 2:24:58 PM by SorPepita

When the Darth Wiki was truly Darth: http://web.archive.org/web/20151224131522/http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/DarthWiki/WallBanger
Fighteer MOD Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#13408: Jan 11th 2017 at 2:37:23 PM

If you get your suspension released, you can reapply those fixes yourself from the edit history. If not, others can do it. The suspension is not intended to be a punishment; it's intended to stop the problem so we can address it. The reversion is due to the scope of the cleanup that your actions merit.

Something you said bugs me a bit. You have no other suspensions logged on that handle. So this means you've changed handles at some point. Checking your history, I see a couple of candidates, and both of those accounts had been suspended previously for zero-context examples. One still is, making you a ban evader.

What this tells me is that you don't learn from experience. I mean, we have the policy. It's clearly visible in Zero-Context Example, and you've run into it at least twice before. The fact that you have a personal definition of context that you seem to want to use doesn't mean that it's correct, or that we'll tolerate it, and a prior suspension history means that you know we'll ban you for it.

Added together, I'm not seeing much reason to let you go this time.

edited 11th Jan '17 2:41:47 PM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
SorPepita Grammar Nazi Extraordinaire from Laugh Tale Since: Jul, 2013 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Grammar Nazi Extraordinaire
#13409: Jan 11th 2017 at 2:55:39 PM

Yes, I have changed handles. I admit it. I sincerely apologize for any misdemeanor related to them. I have no intention of using them, and you can permanently ban them if that's what you'd prefer. I only want this one.

And I want to make something clear: believe me or not, I have never broken the policy willingly. What I've done is seeing every example as a new one, without thinking too hard about exactly what got me suspended in the past. I'm fully willing to reconsider this attitude, for what is worth. Because I don't want to make this mistake again. Because this has been unpleasant for me, and I know it has been unpleasant for you too. And I'm sorry for it.

This wiki is very important to me, but I haven't been respectful enough. Sorry about everything.

edited 11th Jan '17 3:35:55 PM by SorPepita

When the Darth Wiki was truly Darth: http://web.archive.org/web/20151224131522/http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/DarthWiki/WallBanger
nombretomado (Season 1) Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#13410: Jan 11th 2017 at 7:19:13 PM

~Mhazard, as you are making efforts in the Get Help with English thread, I will release your suspension with the understanding that you will continue to use it before making edits. Make note that a third return to this thread is inadvisable.

Asue Since: Dec, 2011
#13411: Jan 11th 2017 at 9:33:21 PM

I just wonder why the fuck was I suspended for editing stuff since my edit in the Dethroning Moment/Web Original page.

SorPepita Grammar Nazi Extraordinaire from Laugh Tale Since: Jul, 2013 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Grammar Nazi Extraordinaire
#13412: Jan 12th 2017 at 1:29:56 AM

Seeing that I'm not permanently banned for that changing of handles (at least, not yet), I will say/repeat this:

-I'm awfully sorry for the changing-handles incident (please, ban permanently the other ones if you must). I didn't make the other handles in order to evade bans, but I abused having more than one in a truly inappropriate way. It won't happen again, ever.

-I'm awfully sorry about my attitude in this one. I got emotional because it hurt me having my good work deleted along the bad one, but it turns out that somebody has brought it back. I should have asked for it, I should have explained the situation; I simply should have been more patient.

-I'm awfully sorry for not watching about policy. This isn't my website; I should follow and respect its rules. Like I said, I didn't broke them willingly, but I DID ignore them, and that's something that can't/shouldn't be allowed.

It's for you to decide if I can still be a good troper; maybe the answer is no. But I'm saying these things, and I'm being as honest as I can be. For what is worth.

When the Darth Wiki was truly Darth: http://web.archive.org/web/20151224131522/http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/DarthWiki/WallBanger
Fighteer MOD Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#13413: Jan 12th 2017 at 7:51:36 AM

~Asue: You were the fuck suspended because you the fuck wrote an entry about some random forum poster who said something you fucking didn't like, and then edit warred to fucking keep it. DMOS is enough of a shithole without you stinking it up more with your noxious anal emissions. How's it feel on the receiving end?

With less vulgarity, DMOS has rules, and we expect people to follow them. Those rules are simple: One moment per troper, per work. No contesting other people's opinions. A forum poster is not a "work", and arguing with their opinions via your own DMOS entry is the kind of recursive rules violation that makes my head spin. It probably also counts as drama importation, for a hat trick.


~Sor Pepita: Okay, we can work with this now. Normally a third suspension coupled with apparent ban evasion and willful disregard for policy would get you shown the door. I'm at least going to make the effort with you, so let's start with the basic problem: zero-context examples. Take something like that Big Damn Heroes example we were talking about earlier and turn it into something that has sufficient detail to be considered valid. Remember as you do this that an example must make the trope understandable for someone who's familiar with neither the trope nor the work.

edited 12th Jan '17 7:58:53 AM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
SorPepita Grammar Nazi Extraordinaire from Laugh Tale Since: Jul, 2013 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Grammar Nazi Extraordinaire
#13414: Jan 12th 2017 at 8:04:39 AM

Thank you very much.

OK, I think it would be something like this. Big Damn Heroes: Hood arrives to help Anomander Rake in confronting Chaos inside the Dragnipur sword.

edited 12th Jan '17 8:13:51 AM by SorPepita

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Fighteer MOD Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#13415: Jan 12th 2017 at 8:21:20 AM

It's a start. Let's get some more details to establish the particulars of the trope. Remember, Big Damn Heroes is when characters are in an apparently hopeless situation and they get rescued by the unexpected appearance of a third party. Sometimes that third party is the protagonist(s), but when the protagonist(s) are the ones in peril, the third party is some ally of theirs that they weren't expecting to show up.

Note that Big Damn Heroes is distinct from The Cavalry; the latter is a group that shows up to perform the rescue rather than discrete individuals, and it's usually a group that was expected or at least hoped for.

So, for your particular case, one assumes that Chaos has the upper hand in the confrontation, and Rake doesn't expect anyone to show up to help him. Let's make that clear. It also sounds like this is some sort of climactic battle. Written fully (bear in mind that I don't know the work in question), it might look like this...

  • Big Damn Heroes: During the Final Battle in the Dragnipur sword, Chaos is about to destroy Anomander Rake. The situation looks hopeless, but Hood arrives unexpectedly to help, Together, they defeat the bad guy.

edited 12th Jan '17 8:26:11 AM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
SorPepita Grammar Nazi Extraordinaire from Laugh Tale Since: Jul, 2013 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Grammar Nazi Extraordinaire
#13416: Jan 12th 2017 at 8:32:08 AM

I see. Maybe something like this.

Big Damn Heroes: Confronting Chaos in the Dragnipur sword, Anomander Rake is about to lose, the situation looking hopeless. Luckily, unexpected help comes from Hood, and together they manage to defeat it.

Got it.

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Lost in Space
#13417: Jan 12th 2017 at 8:40:24 AM

Assuming that's what actually happens, it's a good example. Some more specific details from the plot might not go amiss; it sounds rather bland to me. Examples should go for a certain breeziness or wittiness when possible.

Let's take another case — it's two tropes but they are related, so can be worked on together. I'm stripping out spoiler tags to make this easier.

Now, the former trope is about a monster that's the parent of many, many other monsters — usually a very diverse set that defies biological explanations. The latter is a monster that's made up of a swarm of smaller creatures. If you look at the trope page for The Worm That Walks, most of the examples have pretty good context. Not so much for Mother of a Thousand Young, unfortunately, but there are still some good examples. Write up detailed explanations for the two from this story.

Edit: I can't help but be amused by "T'iam" coming so blatantly from Tiamat. Truly there are no new ideas in fiction.

edited 12th Jan '17 8:49:54 AM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
SorPepita Grammar Nazi Extraordinaire from Laugh Tale Since: Jul, 2013 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Grammar Nazi Extraordinaire
#13418: Jan 12th 2017 at 8:50:03 AM

Mother of a Thousand Young: The Elder Goddess T'iam, who is the Mother of All Dragons and creator of Eleint Soletaken via drinking of her blood. The Worm That Walks: T'iam when she incarnates in the final book, her body composed of the dragons that were present in a battle. She's so big and powerful that the world gets in danger because of her presence.

edited 12th Jan '17 8:55:22 AM by SorPepita

When the Darth Wiki was truly Darth: http://web.archive.org/web/20151224131522/http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/DarthWiki/WallBanger
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Lost in Space
#13419: Jan 12th 2017 at 11:12:18 AM

Dry recital of facts about examples may be technically accurate but it's not interesting to read.

  • Mother of a Thousand Young: The Elder Goddess T'iam is known as the Mother of All Dragons; as her title implies, she gave birth to every dragon in the world.

See? Just a little bit of sauciness in the "as her title implies" and you have something that piques the reader's interest. It also is a full sentence rather than a statement: "Trope: Character." followed by explanation, which comes across as an attempt to patch context into a ZCE as an afterthought.

edited 12th Jan '17 11:13:06 AM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
SorPepita Grammar Nazi Extraordinaire from Laugh Tale Since: Jul, 2013 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Grammar Nazi Extraordinaire
#13420: Jan 12th 2017 at 11:15:04 AM

Got it. I understand, this page should be the more interesting to read the better.

Mother of a Thousand Young: The Elder Goddess T'iam is known as the Mother of All Dragons; as her title implies, she was the progenitor of every dragon in existence, and the creator of the Eleint Soletaken via her blood.

edited 12th Jan '17 11:28:16 AM by SorPepita

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MandL27 Since: Oct, 2015
#13421: Jan 12th 2017 at 11:48:17 AM

I am ready to discuss my recent suspension, which I believe to be over edit warring (paired with some rudeness in edit notes). I understand that both of these are grounds for suspension, and that shortly before the suspension I had done both at once. I hold that I will not repeat these actions, and if I do I'm less likely to be un-suspended.

Asue Since: Dec, 2011
#13422: Jan 12th 2017 at 1:16:54 PM

Wait, what forum poster? I just wrote an entry about something I felt was very disappointing, I don't remember anything about posting about someone else from here.

YetAnotherAutist Since: Oct, 2016
#13423: Jan 13th 2017 at 6:56:04 AM

Hi, you people. I was suspended just today and the only reason I've read that can apply to any of my actions here is the reason statement I wrote with my edit of YMMV/Pokemon (rudeness in edit reasons). If there's more, I'd like to read it and hopefully, the reasons will make sense.

Fighteer MOD Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#13424: Jan 13th 2017 at 9:48:41 AM

~Sor Pepita: You're getting it, I hope. I'll give you one more chance. While you're at it, though, please proofread your posts a bit better. Grammar is another reason we suspend people.

If you want to keep getting advice on example writing after I remove your suspension, go to this forum topic. They'll help you out.


~MandL27: Yeah, you managed to combine edit warring with making personal attacks on the troper who was acting correctly in pulling the example in question to discussion. I really don't know why Pokemon inspires such venom from the troper body, but we aren't going to put up with it. Use the Discussion pages to work out what the example should look like, then repost it only when consensus has been established.


~Asue: You posted an example on DethroningMoment.Web Original signed "TommyTiger". The text of your entry was "When someone at KissCartoon said he found the song from the episode "The Hero" in The Amazing World of Gumball to be a Tear Jerker." This is inappropriate as it does not refer to a specific episode of a work, but rather someone else's reaction to that episode. You also aren't allowed to post DMOS for other people.


~Yet Another Autist: Yes,, that is the reason for your suspension. We'd like an explanation for why you thought that was an appropriate way to talk to someone.

edited 13th Jan '17 9:49:30 AM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
universalperson Since: Jan, 2001
#13425: Jan 13th 2017 at 9:50:59 AM

Can I ask why I was suspended?


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