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Edited by GastonRabbit on Apr 30th 2025 at 11:56:51 AM

MGD107 Since: Feb, 2015
#12026: Jun 14th 2016 at 8:17:47 AM

I am perfectly happy to use that board or any other method to correct my edits, and I understand that I have problems with my Grammar. I would like to make it clear it’s not out of lack of care or anything; I just suffer from slight dysgraphia. But if I’m suspended, what is the point of using it, even when they are corrected I still can’t make any edits.

edited 14th Jun '16 8:21:49 AM by MGD107

WaterMasterGali92 Hello again! from Remnant Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Hello again!
#12027: Jun 14th 2016 at 11:25:07 AM

I too am very sorry for my behavior and will promise to watch myself better in the future. I won't post anymore cocky comments and I will run them by my friend who stays with me from now on.

You can't get it wrong if it's the truth!
Fighteer MOD Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#12029: Jun 14th 2016 at 4:35:15 PM

@all: Please don't take lack of immediate responses to your posts as evidence that we don't care. It takes a lot of thought to deal with this topic and none of us has the leisure to moderate full-time.


~Water Master Gali 92: We take promises to have someone watch your behavior with a grain of salt, especially considering that there's strong evidence that this isn't your first time through our little rodeo. Take your IP data, which puts you in the same geolocation as another troper who got banned for abusive behavior in topics related to Smash Bros. That troper also claimed mental issues. Your account was created shortly after they were banned. Put together, these data add up to a picture we really don't like.


~MGD107: I'd swear we'd been through this before with you, but I'll say it again. You can ask other tropers to make edits on your behalf once you've run them through the Help with English topic, but the purpose of your edit ban is to prevent other people from having to fix your mistakes on the wiki. If you cannot demonstrate adequate proficiency, we cannot allow you to edit. It doesn't matter whether you use the help topic or not, and your disabilities are not relevant. We treat everyone the same way.


~Captain Capsase: I accept your apology and will release your OTC suspension. You know where our tolerance ends now, I trust.

edited 14th Jun '16 4:43:42 PM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Fighteer MOD Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#12030: Jun 14th 2016 at 4:42:58 PM

~PF and ~Clint Rider: I will release your suspensions since the message has been delivered. I suggest bringing up the example that got you in trouble on Ask The Tropers so it can be examined for appropriateness by the community. If the other participant in the edit war shows up, I'll direct them there as well.


~Kilgore Trout: Appearances to the contrary, I don't moderate in a vacuum. The mod staff all communicate about major decisions, especially when we aren't sure what level of response a given issue requires. The decision to suspend you was made unanimously. That I am the Face Of The Band when it comes down to handing out the bad news doesn't mean I'm running around picking fights out of pique or that I've gone mad with power.

Your posting in OTC was abusive towards people who were attempting to correct your misconceptions. Your tone was both aggressive and defensive: demanding to be allowed to have a point of view but refusing to accept criticism. You were told by several people (before I acted) to chill out and ignored them. Once you were thumped, you took your point of view to private messages and other topics despite what should have been a clear message to cut it out. Then, you took to the last straw of bad faith argumentation: accusing the moderators of bias.

This adds up to a pattern we have no desire to entertain. We won't even consider releasing your suspensions unless you accept your fault in the matter. This is our site and it's on our terms that we allow you to participate.

edited 15th Jun '16 8:04:03 AM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
WaterMasterGali92 Hello again! from Remnant Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Hello again!
#12031: Jun 14th 2016 at 5:27:46 PM

Seriously?

Look, I don't know who or what you're talking about. Whoever that person is it isn't me. To be completely honest, I'm actually really upset that you think I'm some other user who did a similar mistake or whatever. I'm not him or him or whoever.

I've already apologized and said I would take steps to correct my behavior. You going off and comparing me to some other user who may or may not have similar issues isn't the problem here.

I don't know why you keep bringing that up but it's getting rather irritating if I'm being honest. I don't know about you, but if I were that other user I wouldn't waste my time creating another account when I know the rules clearly state a permanent ban if I did so.

I'm not who you keep suggesting I am. If I could prove it, I would. I don't know how much clearer I can be on the subject. I've said this before. If I could give you proof I would but I can't do much about that, can I?

I've already said I'll take steps to ensure it doesn't happen again. That's all I can promise you.

You can't get it wrong if it's the truth!
Fighteer MOD Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#12032: Jun 14th 2016 at 6:22:10 PM

So you're a different person from the same town in Alaska who obsesses over Smash, has mental health issues, and posts on the TV Tropes forums? Pull the other one. Bye now.

edited 14th Jun '16 6:23:08 PM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
DevinMeenan Since: Nov, 2014
#12033: Jun 14th 2016 at 11:44:25 PM

I received notice of my editing-ban a few days ago; based on P Ms I received a few days prior, I believe it's due to errors in editing on my part that I was slow to fix. If my edit ban is lifted, I will make sure to be more conscientious when editing and to correct errors in a more timely fashion. I don't want to get sucked into any drama; I really enjoy this website and just want to be able to actively take part in its community.

MGD107 Since: Feb, 2015
#12034: Jun 15th 2016 at 1:31:27 AM

I understand I can ask other users to add my edits for me, but in practice I can't just simply badger other users to make any minor or major edits I desire when I desire it. I mean who's seriously going to do that for me? Besides if they do agree, it honestly feels a little bit unfair. Likewise I'm not asking for special treatment, I'm just trying to make it clear I understand this is a problem, and I'm willing to do anything to make sure my edits get up to proficiency.

I just really miss being able to add edits, I really like this website, I come here virtually every day. I can think of around thirty changes/additions I would like to make just off the top of my head to variety of different pages. I understand you can't let me edit if my edits constantly need correcting, and while I can't outright guarantee I'll never make a slip up again, I can guarantee to make sure it pretty much never happens again, by any method that is available.

But if there is honestly no way past this, then I had to try.

edited 15th Jun '16 6:41:29 AM by MGD107

Fighteer MOD Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#12035: Jun 15th 2016 at 6:55:29 AM

~Devin Meenan: The issue that got you suspended was Example Indentation in Trope Lists. It's a hard style rule that we require everyone to follow. Please review that article and indicate your understanding by choosing the correct indentation style from below:

  • Trope: Example
    • Example

  • Trope:
    • Example
    • Example

  • Trope: Example
    • Comment about the example

  • Trope:
    • Example
      • Example

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Fighteer MOD Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#12036: Jun 15th 2016 at 6:56:22 AM

~MGD107: We're trying to save you from a scenario where you resume editing, then promptly get suspended again. That post, at least, was reasonably good. So you are capable of doing it. Are you willing to take the risk? We don't give many third chances.

edited 15th Jun '16 6:57:51 AM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
MGD107 Since: Feb, 2015
#12037: Jun 15th 2016 at 7:14:40 AM

While I do appreciate your efforts and understand your concern; I have to say yes, I am absolutely willing to take the risk. I promise to make every effort possible to ensure that you do not need to suspend me a second time. Furthermore, if I fail and you are forced to do so, I will not complain or challenge it as it will be clear the problem is out of my control and I shouldn’t be editing this site.

Fighteer MOD Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
DevinMeenan Since: Nov, 2014
#12039: Jun 15th 2016 at 11:02:02 AM

The correct formatting style is Option #2; two examples are indented in the same fashion (**) under the trope name, which is listed with (*).

edited 15th Jun '16 11:03:39 AM by DevinMeenan

Fighteer MOD Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#12040: Jun 15th 2016 at 11:09:55 AM

[up] Correct. Please observe this rule with your future edits, and pay attention when sent PM notifiers. I'll release your suspension.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
katzanddogs True Buckeroo Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Halfway to Pon Farr
True Buckeroo
#12041: Jun 15th 2016 at 11:54:35 AM

Hey, not sure why I was edit banned. All of the changes I was making were pretty minor - the term homosexual is considered derogatory because of its clinical history and use by anti-gay extremists (http://www.glaad.org/reference/offensive), so I changed "homosexual" to "gay people" on some pages. I don't believe that this constitutes an outside agenda; I just feel that more up-to-date terminology will create a more positive environment for all tropers. smile

If you can't fix it, you've got to stand it.
SeptimusHeap MOD from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#12042: Jun 15th 2016 at 11:56:02 AM

It is an outside agenda and a fringe one at that. "Homosexual" is still a very common term and not in the least bit a slur.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
katzanddogs True Buckeroo Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Halfway to Pon Farr
True Buckeroo
#12043: Jun 15th 2016 at 12:21:51 PM

It is a common term, but that doesn't mean it isn't derogatory. Homosexual was once a medical diagnosis. I'm not saying it's the absolute worst word to use, but it's not ideal by any means, and given how easy it is to change things on TV Tropes, I don't think it's inappropriate to update the terminology to something more humanizing. Sometimes really simple things can go a long way to making a space more comfortable.

It's also not a fringe agenda - GLAAD (formerly the Gay & Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation) is a widely respected non-profit that was founded decades ago.

(Edit: I'm hoping this is the right way to respond; I didn't see a direct reply button, so I just posed another comment.)

edited 15th Jun '16 12:22:25 PM by katzanddogs

If you can't fix it, you've got to stand it.
Fighteer MOD Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#12044: Jun 15th 2016 at 12:27:40 PM

Please see Prescriptive vs. Descriptive Language. This site fully supports equality and tolerance, but we are not going to be part of a vanguard of any effort to change the use of language. We have plenty of LGBT tropers here — our forums are something of a "safe space" — and they are content with our choice of language. That's good enough for us.

edited 15th Jun '16 12:29:55 PM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Deadbeatloser22 MOD from Disappeared by Space Magic (Great Old One) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
#12045: Jun 15th 2016 at 12:28:32 PM

Giving Righting Great Wrongs a read would also be a good idea.

edited 15th Jun '16 12:28:41 PM by Deadbeatloser22

"Yup. That tasted purple."
katzanddogs True Buckeroo Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Halfway to Pon Farr
True Buckeroo
#12046: Jun 15th 2016 at 12:37:50 PM

I genuinely don't believe that "gay people" qualifies as prescriptive language any more than "homosexual" does, an extremely loaded term with a long history of homophobia. I don't intend to change every single article that uses the word, I just saw in a few articles I was reading and thought it would be a positive change.

If you can't fix it, you've got to stand it.
Fighteer MOD Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#12047: Jun 15th 2016 at 12:46:19 PM

We accept that you had good intentions, but your edits make you look agenda-driven, and we simply don't want that. Just participate like everyone else, adding examples of tropes and noodling on about your favorite 'ships and who's a Time Lord. Don't try to change the site's use of language.

edited 15th Jun '16 12:46:42 PM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
katzanddogs True Buckeroo Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Halfway to Pon Farr
True Buckeroo
#12048: Jun 15th 2016 at 12:50:55 PM

All right. I hope that you change this policy someday, as I do really feel it would create a more positive environment, but until then I'll stop making those edits.

If you can't fix it, you've got to stand it.
autwitchstic Since: Jun, 2016
#12049: Jun 15th 2016 at 2:25:49 PM

Before i say anything else, i need to apologize. I have severe social anxiety, so being asked to approach you, and in a public forum no less, is terrifying. I simply want to say sorry for the total, incoherent mess i'll probably be.

Any edits i've made were simply switching a "him/her" to a "their." Singular they is a completely valid and grammatically-correct pronoun, and it doesn't leave people like me feeing non-existent.

As the above issues have been settled (which i had to read to see what exactly i might be getting into here as an attempt to soothe my anxiety), i can only imagine you don't care at all.

The only reason this is so important is exactly why it might seem unimportant. It's a tiny, TINY figure of speech that no one realizes they use - which means that nonbinary people go so unacknowledged as existing entities that they don't even have a place in language, nor do they even have a place in fiction or the tropes to describe it. It makes for a lot of existential depression and suicidal ideation within the community. You may not get it, but from my experience, it's this constant, sinking, hopeless feeling of recognising that your true self doesn't exist to anyone, and, well, what the point in TRYING to exist? Unless you agree with the minset that people who aren't treated as existent should simply not exist to fix the problem, the most compassionate thing would be to change the language we use. Or to at least be open to someone else making such edits.

As i've mentioned, i don't expect you to care. I was making no harmful edits to the content on this wiki. I was actually just editing harmful language already there - changing what was intented to be an all-including pronoun to what actually IS an all-including pronoun.

I imagine that to you, this is some sort of agenda i have. The only agenda i have is to feel like i just exist, or that someone like me could at least exist in fiction.

But i'll get out of your hair. I know i assume a lot of what you'll respond with, but it's what i can only expect based on both my past experience and the above resolvements. I'm to be proven yet again that i have no place in this world and need to shut up and put in my lack of place. I was merely getting my hopes up that this community would be okay with the quiet and unintrusive existence of nonbinary people.

I suppose this is where you make fun of me for being how i am, being upset over such little, babyish things, or for "having an agenda." I don't mind if you to; you're supposed to, i think? Not by this site's standards but by the guidelines of society everywhere and in general. That's what usually happens at this point.

But, yeah, no harm meant. You can delete my account, if anyone who reads this is at liberty to. I'm unlikely to come back out of pure fear of whatever you might say in retaliation.

I know this might seem sarcastic, but i promise it isn't: i must sincerely apologize for wanting to feel existent. I recognize it has caused a burden to your community, and i will leave for that, as it is only a human flaw of mine to want to feel i exist.

I recognize that this forum is for people who intend to edit again, but i couldn't find any more appropriate place to send my apology.


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