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If you're suspended, give What to Do If You Are Suspended a read, then post here to begin your appeal. We try to respond to appeals in order via batch posts every few days. If a moderator has responded to your appeal, you will receive a notification in your private messages, even if you're suspended from PMs.

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Edited by GastonRabbit on Apr 30th 2025 at 11:56:51 AM

Fighteer MOD Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#10576: Dec 20th 2015 at 9:59:38 AM

If the purpose of your participation on this or any other site is to "cast Janeway in a bad light" or "reveal the truth about Janeway" or however you phrase it to yourself, then you're here for the wrong reasons. I won't become engaged in a semantic debate over exactly what form your dislike is allowed to take.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Worffan101 Since: Jan, 2015
#10577: Dec 20th 2015 at 10:11:03 AM

Actually, I came here because I wanted to help with trope pages for some friends' stories. I only got into the Janeway debate because (a) a pro-Janeway poster attempted to whitewash her genocidal actions in several episodes, which I have deep-seated problems with, and (b) as I previously mentioned I've been extremely stressed and foolishly let my temper get the better of me. I've never intentionally gone anywhere just to attack Janeway, or any other character, but if I see a character's actions—no matter which character—whitewashed, I'm going to call out the Protagonist-Centered Morality for what it is.

Is the issue about potentially inflammatory wording? Because I can avoid that if need be.

SheledUmlal Since: Jan, 2012
#10578: Dec 20th 2015 at 2:06:26 PM

Hi, my name's Dom and I'm perhaps a little surprised at seeing the message which has directed me to this forum.

Can I talk over my suspension with a moderator?

I have read the "reasons for suspension" and am now aware that I have failed to index several pages created in the past two years. There has also been an incident in which I've reverted several removed tropes on pages I've created. As far as I'm aware the page is about my book.

In addition I am ashamed of my lax attempts to crosswick several of those pages. If there's any thing else which has ired staff then I'd like to know :)

I know I'm on this side of my suspension being lifted but if I am given my editing privileges back I promise to work on my trope ethic with and within the wider community and to not be so insular. I am always welcome to dialogue with P Ms and, if I need to, communicate on forums before I stumble back into the bog.

Thank you for giving us this space to improve.

Peace and love!

Deadbeatloser22 MOD from Disappeared by Space Magic (Great Old One) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
#10579: Dec 20th 2015 at 2:49:05 PM

You claim to be open to using PMs for dialogue yet you ignored fifteen PMs telling you what you were doing wrong.

I'm seeing a slight disconnect here.

"Yup. That tasted purple."
ANTMuddle Since: Dec, 2011
#10580: Dec 20th 2015 at 4:33:56 PM

OK, I've read the PM that states Alpha Bitch is not a suitable subtrope of Tomboy. What next?

edited 20th Dec '15 6:16:09 PM by ANTMuddle

mariic Since: Nov, 2009
#10581: Dec 20th 2015 at 5:01:56 PM

I have been suspended again. What was it that I did wrong?

Deadbeatloser22 MOD from Disappeared by Space Magic (Great Old One) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
#10582: Dec 20th 2015 at 5:07:57 PM

Ignoring messages telling you to index pages. Nine messages in your case.

"Yup. That tasted purple."
SheledUmlal Since: Jan, 2012
#10583: Dec 21st 2015 at 1:13:31 AM

@Deadbeatloser22

Simply put I cannot plead anything but wilful ignorance. When I read the first few of these expecting a tailored response it was to find words like "should" and not "need to". Reading a dictionary now I'm aware that it's my "obligation" to index; the language seemed too friendly to consider I could be blocked from not following it. Yes, it's lazy not to have had the inclination to index anyway. Didn't realise how important it is. Do now. In one's mind the PMs you mention are sent from a bot acting on a mod's interests so once I saw one and then ten more, I kind of got desensitized. Now I realise it's to the wiki's detriment.

Again, if I get unblocked then I will index every article I have created and create, read every PM and action its contents, and be a more willing participant of trope ethics.

If you can tell me of anything else I've done please do so I can become a better troper.

P+L, -Dom

edited 21st Dec '15 1:14:53 AM by SheledUmlal

Fighteer MOD Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#10584: Dec 21st 2015 at 8:43:11 AM

~Worffan101:

I only got into the Janeway debate because (a) a pro-Janeway poster attempted to whitewash her genocidal actions in several episodes, which I have deep-seated problems with

This framing of things in terms of "pro-Janeway" and "anti-Janeway" badly misses the idea behind how we expect editors to behave on the wiki. We will not allow factionalism to invade our articles, and if that means banning people, we are more than happy to do so as much as necessary. If your desire to push your point of view means that you'll edit war over negative tropes, then it's not going to end well for you. Write a review or visit Darth Wiki and leave the primary articles alone.


~ANT Muddle: Are you going to stop trying to add it? And will you discuss things in the future rather than edit war over them?


~Sheled Umlal: It is likely that most articles will have been indexed by other tropers, although you should go back and check to make sure. As noted, this is not optional; indexing is crucial to the proper functioning of the wiki.

You may wish to look over TV Tropes Customs for more information about our policies. I'll release your suspension.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
drzoidsquoo Dr. Zoidsquoo from ALL OF THEM!!! Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Dr. Zoidsquoo
#10585: Dec 21st 2015 at 10:56:05 AM

Hello, my name is Dr. Zoidsquoo. You see, I'm here because my account has been suspended, and I don't understand why. Could you please explain the issue so that I can avoid causing it in the future? Thank you.

I am not a squid.
Fighteer MOD Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Night The future of warfare in UC. from Jaburo Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
The future of warfare in UC.
#10587: Dec 21st 2015 at 11:36:05 AM

That this is arcane to you seems to speak to your comprehension abilities, not our explanatory abilities.

As I've observed before, I was told to scroll down to the three-bullet indentation section specifically. Which means I was told explicitly not to look at what you're saying I should have looked at, but at a specific section of that page, which does not offer any specific guidance on what not to do.

Indeed, Fighteer, yours is the first post telling me I should be consulting that page as a whole, much as Septimus' was the first time anyone referred me to a different page from the indentation example. Your insults are decidedly uncalled-for; I looked at what I was told to look at.

Particularly since I'm not protesting my punishment, but trying to ensure that the next guy who's told "look at this specific section" doesn't end up here. I understand the defensive reaction, but it was not necessary. This conversation seems to have run its course.

edited 21st Dec '15 11:38:16 AM by Night

Nous restons ici.
Fighteer MOD Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#10588: Dec 21st 2015 at 11:58:16 AM

I'm still not understanding your issue. You say that you didn't realize that you should read the whole policy page, but what I don't understand is why you would ever think that to begin with. Our policies don't exist in hermetic isolation from each other.

Why all this evasiveness when it would be simpler to admit that you didn't bother reading or understanding them?

edited 21st Dec '15 12:58:35 PM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
ANTMuddle Since: Dec, 2011
#10589: Dec 21st 2015 at 1:20:10 PM

Uh, given what's been going on here lately, and what I've just read about other tropers' violations, I'm not sure of anything yet. No, I'm dead serious on this one. Can I get back to you in a bit?

edited 21st Dec '15 1:24:29 PM by ANTMuddle

Worffan101 Since: Jan, 2015
#10590: Dec 21st 2015 at 2:56:36 PM

~Flighteer: Understood. I've been reading up on the Administrivia articles; next time I see whitewashing and have a problem with it, I will take it to Discussion instead of responding.

I apologize for getting sucked in to an edit war; now that I'm done with finals and I've been able to sleep more than an hour a night for the first time in 3 weeks, I can see exactly where I screwed up and feel like a chump for doing so,

drzoidsquoo Dr. Zoidsquoo from ALL OF THEM!!! Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Dr. Zoidsquoo
#10591: Dec 21st 2015 at 3:55:03 PM

I'm sorry. I'll stop doing that.

I am not a squid.
mariic Since: Nov, 2009
#10592: Dec 21st 2015 at 5:26:40 PM

I didn't know that not indexing the pages is a bannable offence, so I would like a list of pages that I didn't index so can index them properly.

edited 21st Dec '15 5:31:37 PM by mariic

Lego3400 Since: Jul, 2009
#10593: Dec 21st 2015 at 8:41:21 PM

I don't even know why I was banned. I was in a discussion over some editing choices off of the main work space, but now I can't even see that page anymore to know where it went since I last posted.

DoctorSleep Since: Nov, 2013
#10594: Dec 22nd 2015 at 6:56:00 AM

Can I have my suspension revoked? I just found a news article that would make for an interesting Harsher in Hindsight entry.

Fighteer MOD Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#10595: Dec 22nd 2015 at 7:07:24 AM

~ANT Muddle: Take whatever time you like. This doesn't have to be hard, but we require that people demonstrate an understanding of the issue that got them suspended before we release it.


~Worffan101: That's much better. I'll release your suspension.


~Drzoidsquoo: You didn't answer my entire question. What motivated you to do that? If an article is cut, you don't restore it without finding out why. We are very cautious about new Self-Demonstrating pages because of the generally low quality thereof.


~Mariic: You can use your own editing history to look for articles that you created. Most of the time, someone will already have fixed the indexing, but you're obviously encouraged to check. Indexing is part of the responsibility of article creation, just as much as crosswicking. I'll release your suspension so you can get to work.


~Lego3400: You were told many times why you were wrong about the example of The Unfought you were trying to add on Characters.Super Smash Bros For Nintendo 3 DS Wii U. Continuing to argue for your point of view speaks poorly of your ability to cooperate, and cooperation is key on a wiki.


~Doctor Sleep: Not until we address the reason for your suspension, which was failure to index articles that you created. This is not an optional step.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
drzoidsquoo Dr. Zoidsquoo from ALL OF THEM!!! Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Dr. Zoidsquoo
#10596: Dec 22nd 2015 at 9:14:58 AM

That page never was there. I tried writing it, but that didn't work. At all. I figured that if there was a link to it, that would inspire someone who was actually GOOD at writing those things to create it. Like I said, I'm going to stop doing that.

I am not a squid.
Fighteer MOD Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#10597: Dec 22nd 2015 at 9:33:09 AM

Okay, yeah, definitely don't create redlinks like that. I'll release your suspension.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
GoneRampant Gone Rampant from Ireland Since: Mar, 2011
Gone Rampant
#10598: Dec 22nd 2015 at 12:40:21 PM

I appear to have been suspended, which I assume is because of a recent edit I made to The Force Awaken's YMMV page, specifically pertaining to Ray's potential Mary Sue status. What's the reason for suspension?

Fighteer MOD Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#10599: Dec 22nd 2015 at 12:49:14 PM

You just won't let go of that, will you? Even after being told that it doesn't apply, you started to shoehorn in other equally inapplicable tropes and delete valid ones. Your personal dislike of a character does not give you license to force the articles to conform to your opinion.

edited 22nd Dec '15 12:49:26 PM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Lego3400 Since: Jul, 2009
#10600: Dec 22nd 2015 at 12:50:00 PM

Really? That's why? So anyone with a dissenting opinion that merely wishes to stand their ground in an area devoted to conversation about issues gets banned? That doesn't speak well on you guys, as it says "There is only one way to do things, anyone who disagrees is banned" Honestly if no one had P Med me about it, I would have moved on and never given the edit a second thought and probably never noticed it was removed. Because they P Med me, they chose to engage in a conversation about it, leading me to defend my side. You can't expect someone to just roll over and agree with everything. If I was REALLY unwilling to cooperate, I would have just reverted the changes. I didn't, I went to talk about them instead to try to prove my point.

edited 22nd Dec '15 12:51:12 PM by Lego3400


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