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This is the thread we use to talk things over with people who have received a suspension notice. A lot of the time the notice goes out just so we can explain how seriously we take certain things, not because we want the person to feel bad and go away.

If you're suspended, give What to Do If You Are Suspended a read, then post here to begin your appeal. We try to respond to appeals in order via batch posts every few days. If a moderator has responded to your appeal, you will receive a notification in your private messages, even if you're suspended from PMs.

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Edited by GastonRabbit on Apr 30th 2025 at 11:56:51 AM

DAN004 Chair Man from The 0th Dimension Since: Aug, 2010
Chair Man
#9751: Sep 11th 2015 at 2:56:36 AM

Excuse me, may I have my ykttw/trs privileges back?

MAX POWER KILL JEEEEEEEEWWWWW
k9feline7 Since: Jul, 2013
#9752: Sep 11th 2015 at 7:42:15 AM

It's now been a week since the last time I posted and I've received no response from any of the moderators. I note it's also been a week since the troper I was edit warring with and was also suspended has posted anything, who received a reply from the moderators, but has not responded. I'd like to edit again if at all possible. Is my suspension depended on the other troper's?

Fighteer MOD Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#9753: Sep 11th 2015 at 7:50:00 AM

~Cruherrx: It's really very simple. When it comes down to an argument between people saying, "This thing is crap," and people saying, "We like this thing," then the latter win, because this site is for fans of things, not haters. When the argument escalates to personal attacks, then we step in.

What bothers us about your situation is that you feel the need to say things like, "I'm all for discussing things civilly, but when you are being a prick about it and being blatantly wrong I just don't feel like continuing." And that was from your previous suspension, not the most recent one. Your claims to be equally aggrieved by other posters are based on, as far as I can tell, passive-aggressive sniping that you initiate every single time, or provoke from others the minute you step into a topic. "Oh, lord, here comes Cruherrx again."

In short, we've got no faith that you can learn how to disagree with people civilly.


~Ego Man: "Regardless, can I be unsuspended?"

You seem to be missing the point. You have not as yet promised to stop doing the thing that got you suspended in the first place, nor satisfied us that you understand why it was wrong.


~Nate the Great: There shouldn't be a need to "hurry" anywhere on the site. You're correct that YKTTW examples are drafts as much as the articles themselves, but that doesn't mean that they work best by throwing random stuff at them to see what sticks. The point is to define a concept that's solid enough to launch as a trope, and entry pimping your pet work doesn't help with that process.


~The Rat: Okay, great. If you want to try to create that article again, please put real content in it. How to Create a Work's Page should help. I'll release your suspension.


~Sheldon Dinkleburg: You are correct that "The entire soundtrack" is inadequate context for an Awesome Music entry, never mind that it explicitly violates the rules of the article. So what you should do is replace that entry with details of what, specifically, is awesome about the music. Sub-bullets are for making new lists; they are not for adding context to existing entries.

Acknowledge your understanding of this and we may proceed.


~DAN004: I'd love to help, but ~Shimaspawn was handling your case because she's the unofficial YKTTW mod, and hasn't offered any new input in the matter of late.


~k9feline7: Sorry for not getting back to you, but given that this is the second suspension you've received for edit warring, how much is it going to take for you to learn the proper approach? Disagreeing with someone, even strongly, is not a valid excuse.

edited 11th Sep '15 7:59:46 AM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
SheldonDinkleburg Better Than You from Dimmsdale Since: Oct, 2010
Better Than You
#9754: Sep 11th 2015 at 7:56:10 AM

"You are correct that "The entire soundtrack" is inadequate context for an Awesome Music entry, never mind that it explicitly violates the rules of the article. So what you should do is replace that entry with details of what, specifically, is awesome about the music. Sub-bullets are for making new lists; they are not for adding context to existing entries."

Thank you for clarifying this. I was unaware of the rule against sub-bullets since this was not the case a few years ago, but I will avoid using those in the future.

Fighteer MOD Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#9755: Sep 11th 2015 at 8:02:08 AM

~Sheldon Dinkleburg: Then I suggest you read through Example Indentation in Trope Lists, because that's been our official policy for as long as you've had an account on the site. I'll release your suspension.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Fighteer MOD Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#9756: Sep 11th 2015 at 9:57:07 AM

~DAN004: I spoke with Shimaspawn. You've had many, many chances to prove that you can read trope descriptions and understand what they mean before citing them in YKTTW and TRS. You failed all of them. That said, we're willing to offer you one more chance, on the basis that you can't prove you've learned otherwise.

If we have to address this issue again, you can kiss those privileges goodbye forever. Is that completely understood?

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
DAN004 Chair Man from The 0th Dimension Since: Aug, 2010
Chair Man
#9757: Sep 11th 2015 at 12:48:43 PM

[up] yes, I promise.

MAX POWER KILL JEEEEEEEEWWWWW
Megaman8662 Since: Jul, 2015
#9758: Sep 11th 2015 at 6:49:50 PM

Why was I suspended, and can I have my privileges back?

Was it because of this? ——> https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/discussion.php?id=e5lh0vj9d4nmk602n3n1gtwb

If that's the case, sorry. I got excited when I learned there was a way to create a trope from scratch.

DeusDenuo Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Gonna take a lot to drag me away from you
#9759: Sep 11th 2015 at 8:26:18 PM

So did anyone get into trouble for denigrating my English ability, or did I deserve bigotry? That stuff isn't cool, no matter how bad I was.

And I kinda wish you guys had waited an hour - I was rushing home to put in that one last post where I call it off, and I even had this whole thing planned out where I'd thank the guy for finally figuring out that he didn't need to try and win a pissing contest to get me to stop... But, ban. Eh, I'll thank him later.

How long am I out for? Was it for tone or for content?

DeusDenuo Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Gonna take a lot to drag me away from you
#9760: Sep 11th 2015 at 8:33:59 PM

The heck? I can't edit my own post here?

Why am I banned from all the forum? I was only misbehaving in that one topic... Do I get to say my side of things, or is it first come, first serve?

DeusDenuo Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Gonna take a lot to drag me away from you
#9761: Sep 11th 2015 at 8:35:27 PM

What is a better way to inform that guy he has serious problems that he should be addressing?

DeusDenuo Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Gonna take a lot to drag me away from you
#9762: Sep 11th 2015 at 8:50:15 PM

Wait, it's not that Nationalism in Manga post, is it? Goddammit, I really did live in Hiroshima for a year and a half! I sat through a Peace Park memorial ceremony, I read the newspaper every other day - I have the pay stubs and passport to prove I worked there! I was there when the government changed! I know that topic well enough first-hand to talk about it.

k9feline7 Since: Jul, 2013
#9763: Sep 11th 2015 at 9:22:55 PM

What is the proper approach? I was dealing with one person, not a consensus, just a person, who was determined to override most anything I tried to do on this one team in the Amazing Race. Whether I tried giving reasons in the edit, or outlined the reasons more fully in the Discussion page, I honestly believe the results from this one person would've been the same.

What I'd like to do if unsuspended is work on the two pages that involved this team, Characters/Season Five and Characters/Season Eleven, outline my reasons on the Discussion pages, then step away from these pages for good. If/when almightyblue gets unsuspended, they'll probably try to override me and on the Discussion pages outline why they think I'm completely wrong. If/when that happens, I'd like a moderator to step in and decide which of us is right, or decide where one person's right and where the other person's right. I'd want nothing more to do with the matter.

DeusDenuo Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Gonna take a lot to drag me away from you
#9764: Sep 11th 2015 at 11:12:12 PM

"I would like to talk the suspension over."

DeusDenuo Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Gonna take a lot to drag me away from you
#9765: Sep 11th 2015 at 11:46:17 PM

Okay, so clearly that doesn't work like I thought it would.

New tack, then:

I have not edited an article too recently, so it shouldn't be that. I've don't recall getting into an Edit War (there was that one time, but it turned out that we were both just editing the article at the same time - and that was so long ago it's just embarrassing to have it come up now), you guys have never talked to me before, I promised to stop being condescending in that one post some time ago, I haven't wrecked up articles, and I leave my baggage at the door.

I don't touch YKTTW, I (again) apologized in-thread for the only actions I can really think of that would lead me here, I have no idea what a thump is, I made sure to post something relevant whenever I thought I might be off topic (except for that one post, which really should exonerate me if I'm here for another reason that I suspect I am), and I listen to the subforum rules.

You have no way of knowing if the problem is fixed if you don't talk to me if it's that rudeness thing - and if it's that rudeness thing, a quick post search will confirm that it is fixed and was only a problem in that one specific discussion.

I am trying to remain polite, but the fact is that I work in the evenings, so I come home and... find out that some people have been waiting up to a week. Last place I got banned at, they put the ban reason in the "you're banned" message page - and that was a really cut-rate site, too.

I am tempted to send a PM to one of the mods, just to confirm that a mod is in fact awake and everyone hasn't just called it a night (as I am in the US West Coast and it is 23:30 here).

Now, here's my problem. Since I'm not allowed in the forumS - plural - I'm not actually sure where I stand. The rules seem to indicate a forum-wide banning means I'm gone for good, but I was causing a problem in exactly one thread (there's another where you could make a case, but I made damn sure I couldn't be the source of it more than that guy was) and I'm able to PM and edit wiki pages.

I haven't evaded bans, vandalized, or caused repeated problems - this is my first one. So, either I did something really heinous (in which case I guess the assumption is that I should automatically know what it is?), or something got crossed somewhere and/or the rules aren't as clear as they could be.

...wait. Does Ambar have untouchable status, and that's why I'm banned?

All I want is a reason. I'll accept your judgement and timing, and when I'm back I'll get to work at becoming a better Troper in better standing and mental health than he ever was.

DeusDenuo Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Gonna take a lot to drag me away from you
#9766: Sep 11th 2015 at 11:49:33 PM

Here, what do I need to do or pay to get untouchable status? I am truly bewildered that he can say something like that and be allowed to get away with it, and I would like that privilege too. Not to abuse it, of course, but so I don't have to worry about this sort of thing in the future even on my best behavior.

Ugh, it's too late now. I'll try again in the morning.

SeptimusHeap MOD from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#9767: Sep 12th 2015 at 1:21:07 AM

~DAN004: I've removed the suspensions. Remember to read a trope's actual definition before talking about them; folks won't forgive another screwup.

~Megaman8662: Uh - yes? A YKTTW named after yourself and without a description is really bad.

~Deus Denuo: Slow down. Spamming this thread won't make anyone more inclined to respond, much less positively so. A forum ban prevents one from editing their own posts and is used to shut down forum misbehaviour.

~k9feline7: The other person has been suspended as well, not that it affects the appropriateness of your behaviour one way or the other. You are not allowed to simply readd deleted examples over and over again and you've been banned in the past for this exact sort of behaviour.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Fighteer MOD Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#9768: Sep 12th 2015 at 7:25:30 AM

~Deus Denuo: It's very simple. Your behavior in the Relationship Critique Thread is unacceptable. And no, you don't get credit for provoking other people into attacking you.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
DeusDenuo Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Gonna take a lot to drag me away from you
#9769: Sep 12th 2015 at 10:03:36 AM

At what point did my behavior in that thread become unacceptable? I don't understand A) why it's only my behavior and my "provoking" that got only me banned and B) which behavior it was over a three week period or so, because I was making sure to vary it post by post.

I'd also like to point out that I apologized to Ambar and was perfectly ready to walk away from it all... and then it turned into a "I'm better than you" pissing match that involved a bunch of other people - lead by the ever-popular Ambar. Do apologies not count for anything here?

Also, why aren't Ambar and... "Night", I think? Why aren't they in trouble for going out of their way to import drama between threads? I needed a quick "in" because I knew I was interrupting, and some variation of "I need your help to settle a bet/disagreement, dear experts" is usually effective. (Not to mention the bigotry.)

DeusDenuo Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Gonna take a lot to drag me away from you
#9770: Sep 12th 2015 at 10:10:13 AM

I am trying to improve my behavior, but this experience has convinced me that I can't trust anyone in the forum, so I'm looking to you guys for some guidance. All I know now is that I can be held responsible for someone's provoked response (which is counter-intuitive to how things work in my IRL life, so why would I have known it), and that is something I can avoid. What else, please?

DeusDenuo Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Gonna take a lot to drag me away from you
#9771: Sep 12th 2015 at 10:25:48 AM

...I should explain. I have a tremendous inherited temper and mild depression IRL, so of course it's my responsibility to keep an eye on my responses and I place a higher value on not being provoked. From there, I then assume it's everyone's responsibility to keep a lid on their responses to stimuli, no matter what that is. I read the paper daily, and all I see are examples of people doing stupid things because they are provoked into doing so (that is, that's how Western bias works - blame the individual, not the circumstances, unless they're Muslim in which case it's the circumstances with no space for disagreement).

So, that's why it's really odd to find out that I'm in trouble for provoking. If that's the case, fine, I'll try not to provoke lesser minds or whatever - but I need someone who isn't Fighteer to confirm this, so I know it's a Mod group consensus and not individual bias. (I already understand that's apparently how you guys actually do operate with bans; I'm just trying to get a specific question answered.)

NateTheGreat Since: Jan, 2001
#9772: Sep 12th 2015 at 10:32:53 AM

There shouldn't be people in a hurry when making YKTTW entries, but there are. It isn't an ideal world and I won't pretend it is, nor will I make a promise that I'm inevitably going to break. All I can do is promise to attempt to do better.

shimaspawn MOD from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#9773: Sep 12th 2015 at 10:59:23 AM

@Deus Denuo: You case has been discussed by all the mods. Fighteer is speaking for us as a group.


@Nate: Do or do not. There is no try. If you shall not do, we shall not unban.

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
DeusDenuo Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Gonna take a lot to drag me away from you
#9774: Sep 12th 2015 at 11:23:59 AM

...so being provoked is fine, and provoking is not? I really only need a yes/no answer to this. One word. That's all I need. It can be from Fighteer or Septimus Heap or Shimaspawn, but I need that one word. "That's what you're in trouble for" is too vague for me, and that one word will clear it all up. Please.

Also, how long am I banned for? You guys are actually talking to me, so I take it (from past examples) that I now only need to demonstrate that I won't do the vaguely defined behavior(s) I was banned in the first place for again, which I say again that I was headed in that direction anyway - probably, since I still don't know what it/they were - and can point to other posts to prove this. (Which I shouldn't have to actually do, because I'm apparently banned for actions in one thread, and was politely active in others both before and after everything I did in that one thread, so a quick user post search on your end should clear everything up. Unless I do need to prove myself, in which case I need forum access... Man, I never did like Catch-22. Read it in high school, remember it now, still don't care for it.)

DeusDenuo Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Gonna take a lot to drag me away from you
#9775: Sep 12th 2015 at 11:32:31 AM

Or, wait! How about this - could you PM me the complaint against me? I don't need to know who wrote it (and frankly I'm good enough at lit analysis that I could make an accurate guess anyway, which shouldn't matter if it's a legitimate grievance), but if it's someone's complaint and not Mod discretion that got me banned, it's that regular user's complaint I should be paying attention to anyway.

I mean, all I'm getting here is vague Twitter-length answers that I can't use to correct my behavior. The complaint (plural?) should be specific enough to work from. And if I retaliate somehow, you have obvious proof that I did and there won't be any ambiguity whatsoever (especially if you go ahead tell the complainer - they can then say "well he's only doing that because you showed him my thing!" and I can't do anything about it).


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