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This is the thread we use to talk things over with people who have received a suspension notice. A lot of the time the notice goes out just so we can explain how seriously we take certain things, not because we want the person to feel bad and go away.

If you're suspended, give What to Do If You Are Suspended a read, then post here to begin your appeal. We try to respond to appeals in order via batch posts every few days. If a moderator has responded to your appeal, you will receive a notification in your private messages, even if you're suspended from PMs.

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Edited by GastonRabbit on Apr 30th 2025 at 11:56:51 AM

Fighteer MOD Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#5851: May 13th 2014 at 2:00:06 PM

~Mr Thorfan 64: I didn't see your edit until just now. Fanfic Recs are personal to the troper making them. You don't have to agree, but neither are you allowed to remove them, except on grounds that they violate our Content Policy. You are welcome to contribute a review in our Reviews section for any fic that has a wiki article.

Please acknowledge this.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
SocratestheMudwing Since: Apr, 2014
#5852: May 13th 2014 at 6:15:19 PM

Okay Fighteer, I think that what I did wrong was writing a contradiction under the false information instead of just changing it.

Fighteer MOD Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#5853: May 13th 2014 at 6:21:46 PM

Correct. You should move the examples that are in the wrong place to the proper one. I'll lift your suspension so you can get to work.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
cliffc999 Since: Dec, 2010
#5854: May 14th 2014 at 8:22:50 AM

Hello. I just got suspended. In hindsight, I'm pretty sure I know what page it was for.

I would like to know more about what the guidelines are when somebody keeps persistently reposting a piece of fanon that has absolutely nothing going for it in canon, not even vaguely. Obviously "repeatedly deleting it while asking the poster to provide a source of some kind or stop trying 'edit reasons' mesage" wasn't the way to go, given that I'm now here. OK, so that isn't how its supposed to work, got it. So, what do you do?

I mean, I'm all for speculation, but there's 'speculation' and then there's 'not only does nothing even vaguely hint at that, everything else in the book actually goes directly the other way'. I don't think the page should be full of that kind of thing, should it?

edited 14th May '14 8:27:23 AM by cliffc999

Fighteer MOD Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#5855: May 14th 2014 at 8:29:47 AM

[up] A couple of things are at issue here. First, it's a Headscratchers page. It's really not important enough to get into a big argument over. I know that Harry Potter is Serious Business to some people, but it's all a matter of perspective.

Second, Headscratchers articles are not intended to be used to have conversations with people. It's a Q&A format, not a forum. Debates can be had using the Discussion page, private messages, or a real forum thread. The fact that so many of them are that way is due largely to the fact that we don't have enough manpower to clean them up.

Third, if someone's getting into an argument with you and you feel the need to do this back-and-forth thing, stop and report the issue rather than engaging with them. We have Ask The Tropers and the "get help with this article" feature on the Tools menu for such things.

Part of the reason I suspended you is that you were deleting the other troper's edits. That's never acceptable.

edited 14th May '14 8:30:10 AM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
cliffc999 Since: Dec, 2010
#5856: May 14th 2014 at 8:31:54 AM

I was deleting his posts precisely to avoid getting in a back-and-forth about it on the page, but, I see.

Add: To be more explicit, I see that's not how it works now and will try something else next time, such as the discussion page.

edited 14th May '14 9:06:09 AM by cliffc999

fulltimeD Deputy Director, Space-Time Gradient LV-114 from Purgatory Since: Jan, 2010
Deputy Director, Space-Time Gradient LV-114
#5857: May 14th 2014 at 12:12:40 PM

My editing privileges were turned off. I think I know but I disagree. Even so, I am willing to operate by the rules-apparent here if I can get my editing privileges back. I'll try not to make things as personal as I did before and take a step back and away from the site. I'm sorry for my disruptiveness or any disrespect I showed.

Fighteer MOD Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#5858: May 14th 2014 at 12:15:27 PM

~cliffc999: I'd like to ask that you also work on cleaning up that Headscratchers page to remove the chatter and keep it to questions and answers. I've requested that be done in Ask The Tropers as an alternative to simply locking the articles, as I don't have time to be the Headscratchers police. Okay with you?

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Madrugada MOD Since: Jan, 2001
#5859: May 14th 2014 at 12:20:38 PM

Fulltime D Funny, that's not what you told me just now in your PM. The one timestamped 17 minutes ago, regarding the same issue.

Pull the other one. It's got bells on.

edited 14th May '14 12:21:37 PM by Madrugada

cliffc999 Since: Dec, 2010
#5860: May 14th 2014 at 12:24:34 PM

I'll try and clean up some of the stuff, but if I'm not sure what to do about something while cleaning up I'll just try and skip over it. OK?

edited 14th May '14 12:24:54 PM by cliffc999

Fighteer MOD Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
fulltimeD Deputy Director, Space-Time Gradient LV-114 from Purgatory Since: Jan, 2010
Deputy Director, Space-Time Gradient LV-114
#5862: May 14th 2014 at 12:58:37 PM

@Madrugada

Exactly what are you saying I'm being dishonest about? Because I am not clear on that. I know I behaved inappropriately but I understand what I did and why it wasn't appropriate and am willing to try to make a change. None of that is contrary to ANYTHING I told you. I don't understand why you are accusing me of dishonesty or where that accusation comes from.

Why do I have the feeling I'm never going to get my edit privileges restored? I have a bad feeling about this. I never should have ventured out of YKTTW and got caught up in all this forum crap.

edited 14th May '14 1:12:49 PM by fulltimeD

Ecclytennysmithylove Ecclytennysmithylove from New Jersey Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
Ecclytennysmithylove
#5863: May 14th 2014 at 1:07:56 PM

Madrugada: Excuse me, but as of just now, my PM is still not turned back on.

"I told you PCs were unreliable." Darwin, The Amazing World of Gumball
Deadbeatloser22 MOD from Disappeared by Space Magic (Great Old One) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
#5864: May 14th 2014 at 1:13:41 PM

It's not been lifted because you have done nothing to indicate your acquiescing to the conditions of said lift.

"Yup. That tasted purple."
Fighteer MOD Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#5865: May 14th 2014 at 1:15:40 PM

@fulltimeD: You stated, "I'm sorry for my disruptiveness or any disrespect I showed," in your post above, but in your PMs to Madrugada you accused her of silencing your opinion and brought up the boring "TV Tropes mods ruining the site" argument.

We're about as sympathetic to that as we are to Hitler comparisons. You went back and apologized, but this is representative of your past behavior. When you don't get your way, you rage and rant, and then get sorry about it only after it's clear that you're going to be punished.

You tried to get the Narada image pulled from the trope no less than four times. Then you YKTTW'ed a new trope just because you couldn't get your way in Image Pickin'. That's not the kind of contributor we want here. You're going to have your wiki, YKTTW, and Workshops privileges turned off for a good long while.

Whether you get them back, or lose additional privileges, will depend entirely on your attitude from here forward.

edited 14th May '14 1:17:09 PM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
fulltimeD Deputy Director, Space-Time Gradient LV-114 from Purgatory Since: Jan, 2010
Deputy Director, Space-Time Gradient LV-114
#5866: May 14th 2014 at 1:22:14 PM

Okay, just for arguement's sake, how am I supposed to demonstrate a better attitude if all that's turned off?

edited 14th May '14 1:24:35 PM by fulltimeD

Fighteer MOD Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#5867: May 14th 2014 at 1:23:54 PM

@fulltimeD: When I put your name in front of some text, you can safely assume that I'm responding to you. Unless you meant DBL, who was talking to Ecclytennysmithylove.

Edit: Ah, I see you changed your reply. Well and good, and frankly I'm not sure what would persuade us to relax the suspension except your continuing good behavior in the forum threads that you still participate in. That and not doing stupid things like ban evading.

edited 14th May '14 1:27:17 PM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
fulltimeD Deputy Director, Space-Time Gradient LV-114 from Purgatory Since: Jan, 2010
Deputy Director, Space-Time Gradient LV-114
#5868: May 14th 2014 at 1:27:04 PM

^ yeah I was confused by that

Okay but how does someone who's (I can't say "silenced") been blocked on virtually everything show the community that they can turn it around? I don't get that. It does not make sense.

And I NEVER actually made any Hitler comparisons. Actually what I said was that I disliked those comparisons, and then I proceeded to make some criticisms. So I don't appreciate being mischaracterized that way.

fulltimeD Deputy Director, Space-Time Gradient LV-114 from Purgatory Since: Jan, 2010
Deputy Director, Space-Time Gradient LV-114
#5869: May 14th 2014 at 1:29:57 PM

Im sorry if I seem impatient; I get frustrated by web etiquette sometimes. I don't know how everything works here. I certainly didn't realize you were the Different Mod I'd requested. It happened so fast that I didn't process it had happened in all, get it?

What am I still allowed to participate in? It seems like I've been banned from everything except World Building and that's not enough to fix a reputation when you're in the middle of the third draft of your own book and you don't really have to dabble in fun hypotheticals on that forum?

fulltimeD Deputy Director, Space-Time Gradient LV-114 from Purgatory Since: Jan, 2010
Deputy Director, Space-Time Gradient LV-114
#5870: May 14th 2014 at 1:33:02 PM

@F Ighteer: Also I feel I need to make it clear my criticisms were something I said in a private message to Madrugada, it was a personal opinion and there's a reason I didn't make that personal opinion public.

Take that for what you will. The only reason I brought up the word fascist was to make it CLEAR that I was NOT making that comparison.

You can't just label all criticism Hitler comparisons. That shuts down dialog.

edited 14th May '14 1:33:45 PM by fulltimeD

fulltimeD Deputy Director, Space-Time Gradient LV-114 from Purgatory Since: Jan, 2010
Deputy Director, Space-Time Gradient LV-114
#5871: May 14th 2014 at 1:42:20 PM

Seriously what is the policy here regarding Mods making use of statements from a single private message in the context of someone's public behavior? Because as far I'm concerned, those are two completely separate realms, and I'm rather upset that something I said in a private message which was very clearly a personal opinion was used against me in a public setting.

Fighteer MOD Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#5872: May 14th 2014 at 1:48:36 PM

Your communications with the mod staff are not private when it comes to the matter of suspensions. In fact, we reserve the right to examine any PM you send to anyone. We do run this site, after all, remember?

We've had our fill of people claiming things like "ruining the wiki". It's doing just fine, thank you, and will do just fine without you if it comes to that.

edited 14th May '14 1:53:23 PM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
fulltimeD Deputy Director, Space-Time Gradient LV-114 from Purgatory Since: Jan, 2010
Deputy Director, Space-Time Gradient LV-114
#5873: May 14th 2014 at 1:50:51 PM

@Fighteer: Understood. I will participate in the parts of this site that I can. I just want some way I can earn back, over time, my editing privileges. Obviously me and Forums like image picking and the trope repair ship aren't a good fit for me, but then there's great, less politicized stuff like World Building and YKTTW (which I still have access to).

I would like to try and work out a concrete way that I can earn my editing privileges back so that I can contribute to articles by adding examples, refining descriptions... the fun stuff that drew me to this site in the first place... and the things I LIKE about the site.

edited 14th May '14 1:52:51 PM by fulltimeD

Madrugada MOD Since: Jan, 2001
#5874: May 14th 2014 at 1:52:30 PM

You PM'd me in my capacity as a mod to take issue with something I had done as a Mod. That makes those PMs mod business, not private between only you and I. And we do take how people handle themselves when dealing with us as mods but not in the public threads into account. In this case, you made all nice in public and quite otherwise out of the public eye.

Right now, your only blocks are on wiki-editing and posting in the workshops. Everything else is still available to you.

edited 14th May '14 1:54:04 PM by Madrugada

fulltimeD Deputy Director, Space-Time Gradient LV-114 from Purgatory Since: Jan, 2010
Deputy Director, Space-Time Gradient LV-114
#5875: May 14th 2014 at 2:01:51 PM

edit: (did not see Madrugada's post above)- Okay, I was given a different, more extensive list of blocks earlier. There was probably some confusion somewhere.

Look, I hate forum politics. But in this, I'm just going to cave to whatever the mods want that eventually gets me my editing privileges back because besides forum politics there are a LOT OF THINGS I LOVE ABOUT TVTROPES.ORG, okay? I enjoy using it to enrich the cultural experience of fiction. I learn from it. I like to think that through it, people learn through me. It's one of the few, few communal elements of the internet that I actually like and when I do stuff like this I feel bad because being banned doesn't feel like being silenced, it feels like not having access to a part of my day. So in deference to you who DO run the site, I have apologized, examined what I did wrong, and I'm not asking for any privileges to be restored immediately, I know that would set a bad precedent. But I really don't need the condescension and the constant bashing over every little thing that I have already apologized for and tried to suggest ways I could make ammends.

Please, I'm just trying to be rational right now. I understand I pissed you off and I'm sorry. Yes, I stated an opinion in a PM, but you guys are acting like that statement is some kind of secret agenda I have when it was something stupid I shouldn't have said and for which I feel like an ass for saying.

I just wanna make right now. No secret agendas or anything. Repair, forgive, and move on. Please, can I have that dignity?

EDIT: I will shut up and give it time but I would like to know that I'll have a fair chance at getting back my wiki-editing privileges.

edited 14th May '14 2:21:20 PM by fulltimeD


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