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This is the thread we use to talk things over with people who have received a suspension notice. A lot of the time the notice goes out just so we can explain how seriously we take certain things, not because we want the person to feel bad and go away.

If you're suspended, give What to Do If You Are Suspended a read, then post here to begin your appeal. We try to respond to appeals in order via batch posts every few days. If a moderator has responded to your appeal, you will receive a notification in your private messages, even if you're suspended from PMs.

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Edited by GastonRabbit on Apr 30th 2025 at 11:56:51 AM

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#3926: Oct 1st 2013 at 9:13:03 AM

[up]We'll tell you when we're done talking about it. When we read your posts here we talk about them among the Mods and come to a conclusion. We'll then post here to inform you.

Sometimes, depending on the details of a given suspension, it can take several days or more for us to reach a consensus.

@Kay: We're done with you. Your ban is permanent.

edited 1st Oct '13 9:18:52 AM by BestOf

Quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur.
kay4today Princess Ymir's knightess from Austria Since: Jan, 2011
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#3927: Oct 1st 2013 at 9:29:40 AM

Well, if you say so. I find an OTC only perma ban still more reasonable, since I don't think I've had any thumps outside of it since my first suspension. (except, maybe, one or two? I don't know.) I also doubt I would have been suspended before if it hadn't been for the thumps I've gotten in OTC anyway.

Fighteer MOD Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#3928: Oct 1st 2013 at 9:31:29 AM

@Retro7: We are going to cautiously extend to you another chance. Make good use of it.

@Electrostatus: Any filtering software will affect your edits. If you are going to use it, don't edit any articles. If you are going to edit, turn it off. That's our one and only position in the matter. I'll reinstate your editing but there will be no third chances.

@Craver357: You're going to remain suspended indefinitely. You can keep getting your edits checked in the various threads, though, and made by other people.

@Katsura: We're going to leave the OTC ban on indefinitely, but you will be readmitted to the general fora after two weeks.

@Starship: At this point, it comes down to Eddie (and several of us, but Eddie's the clincher here) getting fed up with your "my religion and personal morality say I get to be publicly bigoted" line. As pleasant as you can be to talk to, whenever this matter comes up in any thread it explodes into a dozen pages of arguing against a brick wall. Do we ban everyone who tries to persuade you that you're wrong? Do we ban the topic entirely? Neither of those seem workable.

Note: I'm writing this on behalf of all of us, and we're still working it out. Please don't take the fact that I'm saying it as indication of a personal bias.

edited 1st Oct '13 9:34:25 AM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
TheStarshipMaxima NCC - 1701 Since: Jun, 2009
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#3929: Oct 1st 2013 at 10:01:26 AM

I must thank you Fighteer for enlightening me about what the actual problem was.

"my religion and personal morality say I get to be publicly bigoted" line.

In all honesty, I do not nor have I ever claimed the right to be publicly bigoted, and there are maybe a hundred posts in which I've said that. I'd reference them, but alas, they are all gone. No matter.

As I've said, if asked my personal opinion, I am allowed to give my personal opinion (or I thought I was). If it's not germaine to the topic at hand, I don't mention it.

In short, if saying "I think transpeople deserve all the rights all human beings do but some of their decisions run counter to my personal beliefs" is bigotry according to you, then let me know. If someone says medical evidence "proves" transpeople are born in the wrong body and I respond "Well, actually, the actual science in hand doesn't prove anything and actually suggests other causes" is considered bigoty then let me know. If saying "I understand accommodating someone in their workplace to not cause harm, but I think there's a limit to "reasonable" accommodation," is bigotry, please let me know.

As pleasant as you can be to talk to, whenever this matter comes up in any thread it explodes into a dozen pages of arguing against a brick wall. Do we ban everyone who tries to persuade you that you're wrong? Do we ban the topic entirely? Neither of those seem workable.

I think I see the issue. And I agree with you, neither of those is workable. I don't believe in banning people for their opinions (granted, that's just me) and I certainly think we shouldn't ban talking about it.

But I ask Fighteer, what would you like me to do? You say everyone tries to persuade me I'm wrong. Okay, should I not say "The 'evidence' you cite actually doesn't prove you are conclusively right, and actually suggests my theory might have some validity."? Am I not permitted to say "I understand you feel offended, but your offense doesn't make you automatically right"?

Now, if you're saying, that once I've said my piece, I should just stop arguing the point, I mean that's fair. I can do that. Usually, in cases like those, you, or another Mod will say "We're going in circles at this point. Drop it. All of you."

EDIT: Of course, whatever decision you make I'll honor.

edited 1st Oct '13 10:41:35 AM by TheStarshipMaxima

It was an honor
Fighteer MOD Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
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#3930: Oct 1st 2013 at 12:50:15 PM

Starship, you relate to scientific reasoning as if it were equal in weight to faith-based reasoning. In short, you apply your personal filter of belief to everything you encounter, and there is frankly no point in engaging with you in any rational conversation. One supposes that if you agree to stay out of any conversation that is not strictly grounded in faith-based reasoning or moral theory, it could work.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
TheStarshipMaxima NCC - 1701 Since: Jun, 2009
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#3931: Oct 1st 2013 at 2:52:21 PM

You said everytime this subject comes up it explodes into a dozen pages of arguing with a brick wall. You are correct. Someone says "Transpeople are born in the wrong body". I say "I'm not so sure that's correct and here's reasons 1, 2, and 3". Said reasons almost never include Scripture, religion, Christianity, or any thing other than the available evidence in hand.

I present evidence (sometimes evidence presented by somebody else), links, and non-biased research that points to what I believe. I even go so far as to say "Now, understand, this isn't the truth, per se. I could still be wrong. But this is how someone can come to this unpopular view and NOT be a Bible-thumping dog rapist."

Everything I have written here is the truth. As I said, I'm at a disadvantage in that I cannot pull the posts and lay them out for all to see. But it's true.

To be blunt, the mistake I've made is not to realize I am the one arguing with a brick wall; that some people will be offended no matter how rational, logical, and non-religious your argument. That no matter how many times you say "No I didn't say that/think that/suggest that" somebody is going to say you did and then follow it up with a remark about "evil Christianity".

And, (and I hope this doesn't cement my ban) it is obvious some Mods, but especially Eddie, won't look through a dozen pages to know who actually derailed what. And I understand that. Truly I do. Nobody can read every thread at once. Someone sends a bunch of hollers because they feel offended, said Mod logs in and sees the one self-admitted Christian who's said "I will not be bowed by anyone" or "The Bible said no such thing!".....and decides "Yep, that's the guy who derailed the conversation. Let's ban him".

And the way bans happen, there is no way to review what happened. No way to know if someone is guilty of what they are accused of. There's summary judgment. And it might or might not be true, but there it is.

Is that fair? If not, then is banning me from any discussion not religious going to make it more fair?

edited 1st Oct '13 4:12:24 PM by TheStarshipMaxima

It was an honor
garfield1601 Since: Aug, 2013
#3932: Oct 1st 2013 at 4:35:57 PM

I've said it before and I'll say it again. I have been suspended because I got into an unexpected edit war, but I didn't want to get into one and I just wanted to make good, fresh, nice, and clean edits. Another question is, how do I change my profile picture? My current one does not have good quality at all, and I just want to find a smaller one.

TheStarshipMaxima NCC - 1701 Since: Jun, 2009
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#3933: Oct 1st 2013 at 5:29:13 PM

self-thumped

edited 1st Oct '13 5:31:31 PM by TheStarshipMaxima

It was an honor
Craver357 Since: May, 2012
#3934: Oct 1st 2013 at 5:37:03 PM

@#3928 Fighteer: "Indefinitely"? "Indefinitely", as in unspecified time of ban, or permamently banned? If you mean permamently banned, then it's bad news for me.

jadmire Since: Apr, 2010
#3935: Oct 2nd 2013 at 4:04:50 AM

I logged in a few minutes ago to make an edit on the YMMV/Honor Harrington thread and found that I'd been suspended for something relating to "natter" several days ago (the 27th of September). I'm not quite sure what I did wrong there, and would appreciate a more specific explanation, but would like to request that the suspension be lifted.

EDIT: OK, I went back and looked at the edit history. It appears that I wrote something that already appeared in the entry; in my defense, I'd looked for anything relating to the specific point and hadn't found it (that particular entry, after all, is quite a large one).

edited 2nd Oct '13 4:09:06 AM by jadmire

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#3936: Oct 2nd 2013 at 7:02:38 AM

@Craver: Indefinitely means indefinitely. You could, as before, demonstrate sufficient improvement in example writing skills, but since we already tried that once and it didn't work, you'll have to do quite a bit of work to show us that you can make good edits.

@jadmire: A significant chunk of your edits to the various Honor Harrington articles consist of Conversation In The Main Page and/or excessive elaboration to existing examples.

edited 2nd Oct '13 7:31:18 AM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
jadmire Since: Apr, 2010
#3937: Oct 2nd 2013 at 7:14:50 AM

@fighteer: While I don't necessarily agree that those particular edits violated the rules (particularly as far as "excessive elaboration" goes, because I did think those examples needed amplification - I'm in the latter stage of re-reading the series and had spotted some things that I thought merited expansion), I can only plead a previously clean record, and I'll accept the reprimand and do my best to keep things germane in the future.

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#3938: Oct 2nd 2013 at 7:25:09 AM

We have a general guideline for examples and descriptions: Clear > Concise > Witty. You don't need to write essays here; walls of text turn off readers. Explaining how a trope applies should at most take a couple of sentences.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
jadmire Since: Apr, 2010
#3939: Oct 2nd 2013 at 7:27:58 AM

Understood. I'll watch that in the future.

Fighteer MOD Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Madrugada MOD Since: Jan, 2001
#3941: Oct 2nd 2013 at 8:12:45 AM

Starship Maxima: After considerable discussion, some of it quite heated, we've come to a conclusion. Your OTC suspension will remain in effect until tomorrow, October 3. I'll be lifting it about noon. That's three days from the time it was first applied.

There is also going to be a change to the RULES of OTC, specifically applying to the various "LGBT Rights ..." threads. The ONLY THREAD that is acceptable for discussing religion in the context of LGBT rights is the "LGBT Rights and Religion" thread. This applies to everyone, not just the Christians. What this means is that while no one is to invoke "because it's a sin" or "Because that's what my religion holds" in any other thread, it also means that trying to bait someone into bringing up religion by asking questions where the expected answer is religious in nature is equally off-limits.

edited 2nd Oct '13 8:13:50 AM by Madrugada

TheStarshipMaxima NCC - 1701 Since: Jun, 2009
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#3942: Oct 2nd 2013 at 9:41:55 AM

That sounds totally fair and I will abide by that.

I would like to make a suggestion. Can a policy be adopted wherein someone gets a quick warning when they are going off topic before they turn around and an entire list of edits is deleted. Honestly, a Mod usually says that, and things never get as far as they did.

edited 2nd Oct '13 10:00:48 AM by TheStarshipMaxima

It was an honor
Madrugada MOD Since: Jan, 2001
#3943: Oct 2nd 2013 at 12:33:17 PM

We'll be keeping a closer eye on that, but we'll also need more help- in the form of alerts and Hollers from the threads of the "Alert, this looks like it's starting to head into bad territory!" type.

But those threads and the derails in them can move far and fast, especially if they are driven by a statement that hits hot buttons.

flyingboar21 flyingboar21 from Redlands Since: Apr, 2013
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#3944: Oct 2nd 2013 at 2:39:26 PM

Hi I was wondering why I've been suspended from editing? Whenever I edit I always try to cite proper examples & reasons for any tropes I add to current pages. I also do not engage in any kind of edit wars & I've never been rude to anybody

Hey everybody I love tv tropes but sometimes adding and editing pages can be a pain in the ass no offense lols
Deadbeatloser22 MOD from Disappeared by Space Magic (Great Old One) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
#3945: Oct 2nd 2013 at 3:08:10 PM

Grammar problems. As shown by the fact the three run-on sentences that made up your post.

edited 2nd Oct '13 3:08:45 PM by Deadbeatloser22

"Yup. That tasted purple."
garfield1601 Since: Aug, 2013
#3946: Oct 2nd 2013 at 5:42:54 PM

Please lift my suspension. I know, I've repeated things, but I just don't want to be banned. I just wanted to edit some more and I have told the reason why I was suspended. Because I have got on an edit war. I don't want to get into another one. I completely understand what you are saying, Fighteer. I'm not trying to spam or disrupt the forum, I was just trying to talk. Because I know what the What To Do If Suspended page said, it said "Come talk to us." on this forum.

edited 2nd Oct '13 5:46:38 PM by garfield1601

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Lost in Space
#3947: Oct 2nd 2013 at 6:49:36 PM

Garfield, your version of "helpful" — deleting stuff from indexes — isn't our definition of helpful. You get one last chance.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
albertonykus Since: Jun, 2010
#3948: Oct 3rd 2013 at 1:13:15 PM

I have found myself suspended all of a sudden. I am rather perplexed by this for I am not aware of being guilty of any objectionable behavior here. I'd be very appreciative if the situation could be explained to me (and my editing privileges returned if feasible).

Fighteer MOD Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#3949: Oct 3rd 2013 at 1:26:40 PM

Sorry, this appears to have been a misunderstanding over a deletion you made on Characters.Walking With Dinosaurs. Your suspension is released.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
TheStarshipMaxima NCC - 1701 Since: Jun, 2009
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#3950: Oct 4th 2013 at 7:55:23 AM

Um guys? If my sig was that offensive (honestly, I don't think it is, but that's just my opinion) I could've removed it myself.

And my posts in LGBT Rights in America had no mention of religion, as I stated I would agree to. I mentioned the reasons for the change in the rules, reasons the Mods presented both here and in that thread.

It was an honor

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