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This is the thread we use to talk things over with people who have received a suspension notice. A lot of the time the notice goes out just so we can explain how seriously we take certain things, not because we want the person to feel bad and go away.

If you're suspended, give What to Do If You Are Suspended a read, then post here to begin your appeal. We try to respond to appeals in order via batch posts every few days. If a moderator has responded to your appeal, you will receive a notification in your private messages, even if you're suspended from PMs.

The Forum Rules apply here.

Don'ts

  • Don't be rude. Rule 1 applies here, too.
  • Don't try to negotiate your suspension outside of this thread, such as by sending Private Messages to moderators or posting elsewhere. Such activity may be thumped or otherwise removed, and may warrant an additional suspension block if it keeps happening. All communications have to take place within this thread.
  • Don't respond to other suspended users. This is a place for you to discuss your suspension, not others'.
  • Don't spam the thread about your appeal, since it makes it more difficult to compose responses. If you've posted, we're likely looking at it, and kindly request you to be more patient.
  • Don't make another account to try and get around your suspension. This is called ban evasion and will get you bounced. (Again, read What to Do If You Are Suspended if you don't know what these words mean.)

Edited by GastonRabbit on Apr 30th 2025 at 11:56:51 AM

Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#33226: May 27th 2024 at 4:27:00 PM

Since that suspension, you've been tagged a couple times (via thump and/or mod PM) for negativity, minimodding, and other such behaviors in the media forums. It hasn't resulted in a full forum ban, but it's enough that the possibility of letting you into a, shall we say, more inherently emotional posting environment like OTC raises some eyebrows.

Can we expect that not only will this behavior not continue, it also won't spill over to OTC if you are let back in?

Been trying to not be so negative, in fact the whole reason I wanted to post was to actually post a positive alternatives to a doom and gloom post in the Video Game thread.

And really sorry about that 'minimodding' thing, I was getting really frustrated at people directly spoiling someone while they are playing said game and the report button wasn't getting a response since the mods didn't know the game. I do not plan on getting frustrated like that again (hopefully) and that issue in that thread was dealt with, also I do not think that directly spoilering people will be a big thing in on topic.

Edited by Memers on May 27th 2024 at 4:43:17 AM

Raymond1 Since: Feb, 2023
#33227: May 28th 2024 at 9:23:04 AM

Hi, I took a pause from the discussion, but I still ask to be unsuspended from editing since it's been a lot since I was suspended and I made myself clear several times that I understood why I've been suspended and that I did get and read the norms I've been presented to, please. Thank you.

DongwaChan (Apprentice)
#33228: May 28th 2024 at 2:34:28 PM

[up][up][up] I decided that what I did on Image Pickin' years ago was indeed very nitpicky and unproductive, and I should have at least tried to be a productive user there. If I am un-suspended from the forum, I will follow the expectations for users posting on it.

Mrph1 MOD he/him from Mercia (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: This is not my beautiful wife!
he/him
#33229: May 28th 2024 at 4:07:03 PM

This covers appeals to the end of page 1329 (post # 33225). If you left a comment before that and you're still waiting for a reply, please post again to let us know you've been missed.


~Demongodofchaos2 (appeal)

If you understand the issue with your forum posts and you're confident that this won't happen again, we're comfortable reinstating you. However, this is your second forum suspension, and you've currently got an indefinite wiki suspension as well.

At this point, if there are any further issues after you're reinstated, you are very unlikely to get another chance to use any part of the site. Is that clear?


~Brydav (appeal)

We're more concerned about your general approach than we are about any one page, so offering to stay away from a specific page isn't really the answer. This is your third suspension in three years (Nov 22, Apr 23, Apr 24) and although you may consider that a long period of time, we don't.

There are users who've been editing the site since 2012 or earlier, and even in those cases three or four suspensions in over a decade is usually the point where we start considering permanent editing bans. Whereas you've gone through those chances in two years.

Given that your first suspension was for a text plugin rather than the edit war problems we saw on the later two, we are prepared to consider one last chance — but it will be the last chance. If there are further problems with your edits and we end up back here, you will be facing an indefinite or permanent edit ban. Is that understood?


~Wilben (appeal)

That sounds positive. As with any edit war issue, we also want to be sure that you now understand the policy.

Can you take another look at that Edit War page and post a comment in this thread (in your own words, not cut and paste) explaining the options for avoiding/handling an edit war?


~generation81 (appeal)

We've applied the same suspension to a test account to see if we could duplicate this — but it seems to work for us, and we have no evidence of a bug. Before we take this to the Bug Report process, which page were you trying to create?


~GargusSCP (appeal)

That's a pretty good summary. On that basis, we would be comfortable reinstating your wiki editing rights. You're also banned from the forums, but your previous post acknowledged the issues there, and we are also comfortable reinstating your posting rights. However, this comes with some caveats:

  • If you're suspended from the wiki again (especially if it's for another edit war issue), then it may not be so easy to get reinstated — this is the standard rule for repeat suspensions. Please follow the policies and pay attention to any notifiers you receive from other users.

  • In terms of forum access you were bounced, not just suspended, due to the nature of the 2021 posts. With that in mind, if there are any more issues with your forum posts you are likely to be bounced again, losing your wiki access as well. If that happens then you are not going to get another chance to appeal the bounce, even if you wait a year or two.

Is that clear?


~Tailikku (appeal)

Indentation has been a recurring problem with your edits - you've accumulated 14 different notifiers for it. Even if you didn't add this particular example, it seems you updated it without noticing or fixing the issue, so let's use it to illustrate the policy.

Please read Example Indentation in Trope Lists and then try to fix the indentation on the example, to show us that you understand the rules.


~Axe23 (appeal)

We still want you to explain the edit war policy in your own words, as mentioned here.

What are the options to avoid an edit war? Please post a summary in a comment.

Until that happens, we cannot consider your appeal.


~Cool Nick Nack (appeal)

That looks right.

As the Cruel to Be Kind examples both describe the way Hijikata and Tetsu interact, they can be condensed into one.

The Even the Guys Want Him examples are unrelated so two ** bullets are appropriate.

On that basis, your suspension is released.

Please pay attention to notifiers and try to avoid further issues. If you're suspended again (especially for indentation), it may be harder to appeal.


~The Farmboy (appeal)

To be clear — we're not saying that you can't express a view, but if you have an opinion about keeping or cutting a work, that's a thing to bring to the Content Violations Discussion threads, not to snark about afterwards with screenshots and one-liners in Forum Games.

Although you described this as taking "potshots at the mods", these decisions are made by the community, not mods. There are lengthy CVD discussion threads for each of the two works you complained about — the mods generally only get involved when the thread reaches a consensus and we're asked to take action.

We didn't get the impression that you'd stopped to read those discussions before criticising their outcomes.

Regardless of that background, you also decided to double-down with a sarcastic response after your first post got thumped. That's a reliable way to get suspended.

If we reinstate you, we don't want to see that behaviour again. A thump is a clear message that something isn't wanted on the thread, not an invitation to try again. And if you think tropers are making the wrong decision in keeping or cutting a work, stop heckling from the sidelines and get involved in the discussions to explain why.

We're willing to reinstate you, but if any of this happens again then you are very unlikely to get another chance. Is that entirely clear?

Wilben Ashley Since: Nov, 2023
#33230: May 28th 2024 at 4:14:36 PM

Yes, I understand the policy behind Edit Wars. If I'm having a disagreement with another troper, I can always:

- Use the article's Discussion page.

- Leave a private message to the troper that I have a disagreement with.

- Ask The Tropers.

- Use the forums, such as Trope Talk or Wiki Talk.

- Use the Report Page for repeated vandalization.

Axe23 Since: May, 2023
#33231: May 28th 2024 at 4:58:57 PM

Why some tropes in "Victoria" novel trope webpage (the one i added back) were deleted??

GargusSCP Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
#33232: May 28th 2024 at 5:06:32 PM

Clear as crystal. Thank you for the chance.

TheFarmboy You can go home, Courier from Mojave Wasteland (Not-So-Newbie) Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
You can go home, Courier
#33233: May 28th 2024 at 5:17:46 PM

I understand

I got spurs, that jingle-jangle-jingle!
Demongodofchaos2 Face me now, bitch! from In a Cultivation World (Ancient one) Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Face me now, bitch!
#33234: May 28th 2024 at 6:53:24 PM

@Mrph Crystal.

Watch Symphogear
Brydav Since: Mar, 2022
#33235: May 28th 2024 at 6:54:41 PM

Oh... I see... Well, I'll just need a refresher on the rules, and I'll be set. I just didn't realize that I wore out your patience this quickly. I'm sorry for that, I really do hate when this happens. So what you are saying is that the next time I get in trouble, let's say it be 10 years from now, would you still ban me permanently? Or, has anyone been forced to go to this page, let’s say six time in the span of several years. Could they still appeal? Because I really don't want to cause any problems. I want to be helpful on this site because I know I can be helpful. I sometimes am just oblivious to standards I am breaking and I would like to be able to make them more manageable for myself. But maybe it’s best if I stopped doing it for a while. No more edit warring. For real this time. If I see something in place, I should remind myself it is supposed to be like that.

Edited by Brydav on May 28th 2024 at 10:17:46 AM

Mrph1 MOD he/him from Mercia (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: This is not my beautiful wife!
he/him
#33236: May 29th 2024 at 3:37:09 AM

This is an update for the resolved appeals, which means it's slightly out of sequence - we'll get back to the rest of you later today.


~Wilben (appeal)

Thank you - that's a pretty clear summary. Your suspension is released.

That was your second wiki suspension, so be aware that a third one is likely to be harder to appeal. Three is normally the point where we start considering indefinite or permanent edit bans, so please be careful.


~Gargus SCP (appeal)

Good to hear. Your wiki and forum suspensions are released.


~The Farmboy (appeal)

On that basis, your wiki and forum suspensions are released.


~Demongodofchaos2 (appeal)

OK - on that basis, your forum suspension is released. The indefinite wiki suspension remains in place.

If you want to work towards regaining wiki access as well, we'll want to see constructive posts on the wiki-related subforums and/or helpful replies on ATT.

For the forums, that usually means getting involved in TRS, TLP or cleanup threads — things like Image Pickin' are possibilities as well, but we're looking for discussion contributions, not just voting.

In particular, Is This An Example? can always use help from experienced tropers, if you feel comfortable contributing.

NotSoEvilEye Since: Apr, 2023
#33237: May 29th 2024 at 2:13:40 PM

I believe that I now have the answer to the question that I was presented regarding Edit Wars, which I am willing to admit that I was on the wrong side of. The Edit War page states near the bottom that editing can be done in special cases where existing wiki policies are being enforced. Such examples include YMMV being removed from a page where only factual information can be presented, changing incorrect formatting, or reverting vandalism. And when two sides are repeatedly editing each other, they are both guilty of Edit Warring, even if one side is entirely correct. And so, I apologize for breaking the rules, I will not repeat the offense, and try my hardest not to break any other rules. With that being said, I would very much like to be able to edit again.

Edited by NotSoEvilEye on May 29th 2024 at 2:18:12 AM

Mrph1 MOD he/him from Mercia (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: This is not my beautiful wife!
he/him
#33238: May 29th 2024 at 4:47:09 PM

This covers everything up to #33236, on page 1330. If you posted before that point and we haven't responded, please post again so that we know you've been missed.


~Memers (appeal)

Given that it's your first forum suspension and that it's been almost four years, we can consider removing your On-Topic Conversations subforum ban. However, as Synchronicity pointed out, there have been some other forum issues since that ban happened.

It's also worth pointing out that we've recently tightened the rules for OTC moderation, in an effort to prevent more thread locks. And we have an updated list of problematic topics that we don't want to see there.

If we reinstate you, we expect you to follow the latest OTC guidance and avoid further problems. If you accumulate thumps you're likely to get suspended a second time — and if you're suspended from OTC again, that's almost certainly going to be permanent (depending on the issue, it may also be a wider forum ban).

Is that clear?


~Raymond1 (appeal)

Back in January you summarised the edit war policy and, before reinstating you, Synchronicity asked you to confirm that you understood the consequences if this happened again. You didn't reply, so we didn't remove your suspension. We're going to ask you one last time:

If you are released and you edit war again, we will assume you are not interested in learning or following the rules and your suspension will be permanent. Is that clear?

If you don't confirm that you understand, we will have to close your appeal and treat this as an indefinite suspension from PM and wiki - we've been trying to explain this to you since July 2023, and it needs to stop now.

Is that clear?


~Dongwa Chan (appeal)

Since 2021 you've had two wiki suspensions and two different forum suspensions, both of which were related to Image Pickin' issues. You've said that you understand the problems and you'll do better — so we are willing to reinstate you — but we need you to understand that it's likely to be your last chance.

If we see any further problems, you are facing a permanent ban from the forums, and potentially a wiki ban as well. Is that clear?


Axe23 (appeal)

This isn't the right place to ask why someone else reverted your edits — and that's a question the mod team can't answer for you. Let's focus on your appeal.

We still need you to explain the edit war policy in your own words, as mentioned here.

What are the options to avoid an edit war? Please post a summary in a comment.

Until that happens, we cannot consider your appeal.


~Brydav (appeal)

In that case, let's go through it one more time to ensure it's understood. Can you read the Edit War policy page and confirm the following in a post here:

  • What do we define as an edit war?
  • What are the options to avoid an edit war?

Please summarise both answers in your own words - we don't want a direct cut and paste from the Administrivia policy page, we want to be sure that you've read and understood it.


Edit: typo fixes

Edited by Mrph1 on May 29th 2024 at 1:09:33 PM

Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#33239: May 29th 2024 at 7:30:39 PM

If we reinstate you, we expect you to follow the latest OTC guidance and avoid further problems. If you accumulate thumps you're likely to get suspended a second time — and if you're suspended from OTC again, that's almost certainly going to be permanent (depending on the issue, it may also be a wider forum ban).

Is that clear?

Crystal clear.

I honestly only intend to post in the Video games and maybe the Japanese threads and not be doomy, political or anything besides normal convo.

Edited by Memers on May 29th 2024 at 7:49:02 AM

SergeantBane Moral Support Expert from Outpost 31 Since: Jan, 2022 Relationship Status: Browsing the selection
Moral Support Expert
#33240: May 29th 2024 at 8:49:53 PM

Absolutely.

StephenEpsilons (The New Person) Relationship Status: Brony
#33241: May 30th 2024 at 1:38:44 AM

I have taken notes of your response, Synchronicity, and it was rather helpful in my case. I'm kinda cautious about entering any forum threads ever since the "incident" a few years back, but your words seem to provide comfort for me as I'm still taking my time learning the ropes of this website.

Tailikku (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#33242: May 30th 2024 at 8:23:28 AM

In the case of the indentations, I've seen no issue whatsoever with them.

DongwaChan (Apprentice)
Laggamer20xx Since: Mar, 2023 Relationship Status: Hey, how you doin', let me whisper in your ear
#33244: May 31st 2024 at 7:21:28 AM

It was only a hulk joke, I posted. That 3rd person video was dumb to me, it was only a opinion. In the words of GTA SA: Aw shit, here we go again.

Laggamer20xx Since: Mar, 2023 Relationship Status: Hey, how you doin', let me whisper in your ear
#33245: May 31st 2024 at 7:26:15 AM
Thumped: This post has been thumped with the mod stick. This means knock it off.
Laggamer20xx Since: Mar, 2023 Relationship Status: Hey, how you doin', let me whisper in your ear
#33246: May 31st 2024 at 7:30:38 AM
Thumped: This post has been thumped with the mod stick. This means knock it off.
Laggamer20xx Since: Mar, 2023 Relationship Status: Hey, how you doin', let me whisper in your ear
#33247: May 31st 2024 at 7:32:49 AM
Thumped: This post has been thumped with the mod stick. This means knock it off.
wingedcatgirl MOD mys. minty from the silly dimension from lurking (Holding A Herring) Relationship Status: Oh my word! I'm gay!
mys. minty from the silly dimension
#33248: May 31st 2024 at 7:38:32 AM

Rapid fire multiposting will not get you a faster or better response.

Suddenly I'm... still rotating Fallen London in my mind even though I've stopped actively playing it.
Laggamer20xx Since: Mar, 2023 Relationship Status: Hey, how you doin', let me whisper in your ear
#33249: May 31st 2024 at 7:41:19 AM
Thumped: This post has been thumped with the mod stick. This means knock it off.
Mrph1 MOD he/him from Mercia (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: This is not my beautiful wife!
he/him
#33250: May 31st 2024 at 8:49:27 AM

This should bring our responses up to date — if we still owe you a reply, please post again to let us know.


~Not So Evil Eye (appeal)

That's not a bad start, but the previous posts (here and here) were asking a slightly different question.

If you want to avoid a disagreement becoming an edit war on a page, what are your options?

Edit War has the guidance, but please don't just cut and paste - we'd like to see this explained in your own words.

This is your first suspension, so we just want to be sure you understand the policy.


~Memers (appeal)

On that basis, your OTC subforum suspension is released. That was your only active suspension, so you've got full access to the forums now.


~Sergeant Bane (appeal)

In that case, following on from Synchronicity's post here, we're comfortable releasing your wiki suspension. But, as stated, this is an absolute last chance.

If you're suspended from the wiki again, it will be permanent, so please be careful about this stuff.


~Stephen Epsilons (appeal)

Given that Synchronicity's post explained the issues and you've confirmed your understanding, we're comfortable reinstating your wiki editing rights.

This was your first suspension, so we should point out that if there are further issues, it may not be so simple next time. Pay attention to any new notifiers you receive - as well as the unilateral image changes, we can see several "not a trope" notifiers (usually sent when Trivia or YMMV examples are put in the wrong place). Please try not to accumulate any more of them.

Your suspension is released.


~Tailikku (appeal)

The example Synchronicity asked you to correct was this one:

  • [Hilarious in Hindsight]
    • The second volume, the adaptation of Zelda II: The Adventure of Link, has it as Zelda I, the current one's ancestor, is the first one to have fought Ganon, with a design showing her with braided bangs, much like the reincarnated Hylia from Skyward Sword, who didn't so much face Ganon, than fought his previous incarnation, Demise.
      • Speaking of, Dark Link or rather Ganon, takes the White Sword from Link's grandfather and corrupts it into the Dark Sword, in a manner similar to how Ghirahim's sword form is a dark version of the Master Sword.

You've stated that you can't see a problem with it. Our Example Indentation in Trope Lists policy explains the rules, and it should be clear why this doesn't follow them. Please take another look.

If you can't show that you understand the policy, we're not going to be comfortable returning your editing rights. We need some level of confidence that you're not going to keep making the same mistakes, and we're only going to get that when you explain the problem with the example.

Is that clear?


~Dongwa Chan (appeal)

On that basis, your suspension is released. Please use your restored access wisely - if we see more Image Pickin' misuse, for example, then it won't take much to get you suspended permanently.


~Laggamer20xx (appeal, plus thumped EB posts here, here, here and here).

You were suspended after starting a Hulk-speak Yack Fest thread about your new video upload and how it was so much better than another troper's "cringeworthy" video example for the same trope. Getting competitive about edits and examples isn't generally a good idea. Personal swipes at other tropers are a reliable way to get thumped and suspended.

This isn't your first suspension for video-related issues. In one of the thumped posts you asked why we'd banned you from several parts of the site, not just Yack Fest - and, bluntly, the answer is that when you were last suspended we had to increase your suspensions twice because you reacted by misusing your remaining access.

When you appealed that suspension you promised that you wouldn't troll and that you would "not be an idiot and not spam".

But here we are again.

Immediately after your new suspension you spammed the Edit Banned thread with five posts (four of which are now thumped) within 20 minutes. The last one was after a mod asked you to stop — and was clearly written as a direct reply to that mod post.

None of this gives us any confidence that you'll behave better if we lift your suspensions. At this point, why should we reinstate your forum or video access? How can you convince us that we won't see more problems?

Last time you promised us that this wouldn't happen again. Why should this time be any better?


Edit: paragraph break fix

Edited by Mrph1 on May 31st 2024 at 4:59:08 PM


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