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This is the thread we use to talk things over with people who have received a suspension notice. A lot of the time the notice goes out just so we can explain how seriously we take certain things, not because we want the person to feel bad and go away.

If you're suspended, give What to Do If You Are Suspended a read, then post here to begin your appeal. We try to respond to appeals in order via batch posts every few days. If a moderator has responded to your appeal, you will receive a notification in your private messages, even if you're suspended from PMs.

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  • Don't spam the thread about your appeal, since it makes it more difficult to compose responses. If you've posted, we're likely looking at it, and kindly request you to be more patient.
  • Don't make another account to try and get around your suspension. This is called ban evasion and will get you bounced. (Again, read What to Do If You Are Suspended if you don't know what these words mean.)

Edited by GastonRabbit on Apr 30th 2025 at 11:56:51 AM

CoolNickNack Since: Nov, 2015
#33201: May 22nd 2024 at 11:33:21 AM

I understand what I did wrong. Now, how can I amend my mistakes or do I just have to wait a certain number of months for my suspension to end?

Edited by CoolNickNack on May 22nd 2024 at 11:33:31 AM

MohamedGPYT The Fourth Wall Will Not Protect You from Nowhere Since: Dec, 2020 Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
#33202: May 22nd 2024 at 5:58:22 PM

Yeah, I see that adding jesus isn't nesecarry at all. IDK what was up with me at that time... Anyways, since i was suspended I've grown more mature... so do I have to wait a few months to get rid of said suspension?

Noseman
GargusSCP Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
#33203: May 24th 2024 at 2:56:58 PM

Alright, multiple matters to address. In order...

Regarding the matter which earned my ban: I still feel a personal distaste for the material I contested, but personal distaste does not excuse breech of decorum or the insults I slung about, especially not if I cared about making any kinds of productive changes over just bashing on people. I apologize for going so far as I did and lashing out in so inappropriate a manner, and can say I've no intention of sticking my nose in the Trope Pantheon again if my account is restored. Evidently it's not for me, so the right and sensible approach is just letting it go and not picking fights over ephemeral complaints.

Regarding earlier incidence of bad behavior: None of it was right or excusable, even if I can reasonably guess the majority of them happened during poor mental health spells looking at the datestamps on my contribution logs. My personal struggles are not carte blanch permission to go full tilt rageaholic egomaniac on people or situations that twig me wrong during those times. There's a community aspect to editing the site, one I did not respect or even attempt to engage with during my previous on-and-off tenure of making contributions, so if restored, I'll do my level best to properly observe established protocol and best practice of consulting with and listening to others should the urge to do anything big or a disagreement of any size come around. I've spent considerable time working through my issues since, and feel reasonably confident saying they're under better control than in the past, which should mean they will not influence my interactions with the site half so much as when I let them run untempered.

Regarding the second account created around the same time as my ban: Pure idiocy, the result of a frantic fevered brain going, "We're in for a penny, so may as well go for the pound and break another rule for the hell of it." Shouldn't have been done, wish I hadn't, both because it was a moronic act of pointless spite and because it complicates matters beyond mere apology now. At present, I remember neither email nor password to the account, and have no intention of ever opening the stupid thing again. If my regret and apologies are accepted as genuine and this account is restored to typical user permissions, I would still very much appreciate whatever steps can be taken to nuke the other account, so it's just gone and not hanging over anyone's head. If not, I can futz about with common log-in information and see if I can't get back in to delete it for good.

Should any of this prove insufficient apology to justify restoring the account, I do understand. My behavior at the time was extreme, and my record on the site does not paint the best picture. All I can ask is understanding of a matured perspective and a desire to make right through redress and setting better example in the future.

StephenEpsilons (The New Person) Relationship Status: Brony
#33204: May 25th 2024 at 5:43:25 AM

Greetings, this is StephenEpsilons formally speaking.

I am made aware of my suspension, specifically of my inability to edit pages as of late, and it is utmost my fault. While I do make the conscious effort to allow other Tropers to re-edit everything I have recently edited (again, to ensure a repeat of my past deeds won't happen again), I failed to notice the message in my inbox regarding the Image Pickin Forum.

I'd been replacing images with high-quality ones found in both official sources and in multiple news sources. Yet, it occurred to me that I'd ignored the hidden warnings on the pages during the editing process, advising me to partake in the Image Pickin Forum before replacing the page image.

Alas, given my unfamiliarity with the forum in question, as well as the deep-seated fear of touching a forum following the last time I took one a few years ago under a different name, I instead chose to ignore the messages and just focused on doing edits as I usually do. For one, I have a good few reasons to do so:

  • Pages, especially those heavily edited, tend to be edited all the time. I saw no reason to overhaul the entire page, apart from correcting some wrongfully spelled typos and such.
  • If the page image is of bad quality, it is my civic duty to replace it with either an improved version of the page image or a different official image reflective of the page in question.
  • Whenever possible, I do provide context on the replaced page image within the page itself, something of which I'm been doing out of habit for some time now.

Being new to TvTrope myself, I tried my best to look up the rules, yet I haven't touched upon the Image Pickin Forum, which is totally my fault as I have just partaken in the forum talks regarding the page image for Neptunia right before I got the editing suspension. As such, having gotten familiar with the Image Pickin Forum within a short amount of time, such an incident will never happen again.

Sincerely, StephenEpsilons

Edited by StephenEpsilons on May 25th 2024 at 8:46:43 PM

DongwaChan (Apprentice)
#33205: May 25th 2024 at 11:39:50 AM

I was suspended from posting in Image Pickin'. How do I get my suspension lifted?

amitakartok Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
#33206: May 25th 2024 at 2:41:32 PM

A question for clarification after reading What to Do If You Are Suspended: am I correct in assuming that an OTC suspension will remain in effect permanently if I knowingly choose not to appeal it due to considering it justified?

I have no intention to continue the behavior (posting sub-standard social media sources for my claims) that earned the suspension - but considering that I neglected reading the OTC-specific rules against this very offense until after my suspension and was repeatedly warned and thumped for it before Fighteer's patience finally ran out, I sincerely do not believe I'm in any position to ask for clemency. Frankly, I did everything short of acting with malicious intent to deserve suspension.

smogmonster Since: Oct, 2023
#33207: May 26th 2024 at 1:11:17 PM

I've been in the English help thread for about two weeks now, and most of my edit suggestions are requiring very minimal corrections. Any chance I can get unsuspended?

BeescyTVT The Thane of Hu'Mor! from in the outback... Since: Jan, 2023 Relationship Status: All I Want for Christmas is a Girlfriend
The Thane of Hu'Mor!
#33208: May 27th 2024 at 6:08:08 AM

Okay then.

Sorry if I took a bit too long to respond.

I just haven't checked TV Tropes for a while.

Well, from what I can check from the Edit Wars stuff...

I will need to put a edit reason for whatever edit that I make in the discussion page, for people to check it out.

I will need to make a private message with the person that I have a bit of beef with.

I will need to go to Ask The Tropers to get whatever answers I need.

I will need to use the forums to see what things are needed to be done with the stuff, and where I can see what's in the cleanup.

And most importantly, if all else fails, use the report button.

I hope that I didn't take too long to respond, please forgive me, I don't use this website very often, and I forget about things a lot.

Thank you for your time for reading this, and I hope that you all have a great summer (or winter if you are in the south of the world like me!).

In the land of the geeks, da Beescy is king!
generation81 Since: Aug, 2021
#33209: May 27th 2024 at 8:02:54 AM

It seems I am unable to create new pages.

I legitimately do not know why. Can someone please tell me my offense?

katrina7 Since: Mar, 2023
#33210: May 27th 2024 at 8:32:57 AM

I vandalised a page and I'm really sorry because I didn't realise how important this site is and how much work goes into it to keep it this wonderful. I was just wondering when I can edit pages again, because I want to add a WMG to the Hunger Games page. I am sincerely sorry for vandalising a page.

Synchronicity MOD (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#33211: May 27th 2024 at 9:45:44 AM

~Tropers/Freecom [1]

Sincere apologies go somewhat far here, but with a caveat. This sitewide ban is an extension of a previous forum ban. That means that if you are released, you will be on thin ice. Any further suspensions for similar behavior — doubling down on behavior you were told to stop, drama exportation, and then purposefully editing in a way that you know is against the rules — will likely be indefinite if not permanent. Is that clear?


~Cool Nick Nack appeal

Suspensions such as yours don't come with a time limit. You don't need to reply to all your previous notifiers. Rather, we would prefer to be convinced that you understand the policy and will apply it in all future edits.

Here's one way you can do that. Below are examples from Manga.Peacemaker Kurogane with incorrect Example Indentation. Now that you have presumably read through the policy page, you can identify what's wrong with them and how to fix them even if you don't know the work. Post your suggested revisions in this thread.

  • Cruel to Be Kind: Hijikata constantly treats Tetsu harshly and is seemingly never satisfied with any of Tetsu's progress. But as Okita and others point out to Tetsu later, Hijikata does not wish for Tetsu to get his hands bloody, which is why he made Testu his page so he wouldn't be officially considered part of the Shinsengumi and be spared from the strict rules that they follow.
    • Later on in the series, Hijkata frequently sends Tetsu out on "errands" just prior to a battle as a way to protect him or as an excuse for him to "leave" the Shinsengumi if he chose to. Tetsu would eventually realize Hijikata's intentions but still find ways regardless to return to Hijikata's side.
  • Even the Guys Want Him - Tetsunosuke. With the good number of Bishōnen guys that surround him, combined with the massive amounts of Ho Yay, and Suzu's actions towards him in the manga, it's not hard to see why.
    • Hijikata also attracts attention and admiration from men. One panel has Tetsu blushing when Hijikata was changing off-screen. Later, Ito expresses interest in Hijikata, much to Hijikata's displeasure. When Hijikata cuts his hair and changes into his western uniform, several men develop hearts in their eyes

~Tropers/Brydav appeal

Okay, but you were already previously told that if a rule is uncertain or unclear to you, the answer is discuss it in appropriate venues. Edit warring — something you were already previously suspended for about a year ago — is never the answer.

This is also your third wiki suspension in two years, so from our point of view you haven't been playing by the rules for a long time. Are we actually going to expect you to follow the rules, or is this a halfhearted type of "try"?


~Tropers/twofacetoo appeal

On that basis, your suspension is released. However, if you get a new suspension and end up back here again, there's no guarantee that you'll get another chance. Please be careful about this stuff.

All of this started when you accumulated some notifiers for indentation and natter, so we'd also suggest reading these policy pages so that you can avoid any similar problems in future.


~Axe 23 appeal

Copying the post two posts above yours (right down to the "DO" typo) instead of answering the question posed isn't the way to get unsuspended.


~Golfy Ball 123 appeal

Please only post here when you are confident that the volunteers there have repeatedly vetted your posts to have no errors.


~Japan Yoshi appeal

You were suspended as a preemptive measure as a result of this content violations report. I don't know how familiar you are with our content violations process, but the work had already been extensively discussed (you can find such links in the discussion page) and kept. While such rulings can be overturned, it typically requires a higher-effort report than what you displayed.


~Tropers/Tailikku appeal

Sorry, try again. There were errors that you were expected to be aware of given the high number of notifiers, or we would not be having this conversation.

Let's start with Example Indentation. This edit of yours breaks a really prominent rule on that page. What is it? What was the correct way to write this example?

  • [Hilarious in Hindsight]
    • The second volume, the adaptation of Zelda II: The Adventure of Link, has it as Zelda I, the current one's ancestor, is the first one to have fought Ganon, with a design showing her with braided bangs, much like the reincarnated Hylia from Skyward Sword, who didn't so much face Ganon, than fought his previous incarnation, Demise.
      • Speaking of, Dark Link or rather Ganon, takes the White Sword from Link's grandfather and corrupts it into the Dark Sword, in a manner similar to how Ghirahim's sword form is a dark version of the Master Sword.

~DR 34 DN 0 UGHT appeal

In case no one replies to your discussion, Edit War also recommends other discussion venues like private messages, Ask The Tropers, and the forums. Ensure that you get agreement somewhere before redoing an example. Your suspension is released.


~Tropers/Nononsensecapeesh appeal

It's a little late for such a resolution alone, frankly. At this point, we would like to be convinced that you can write fully-contextualized examples before letting you go.

How would you fix this bad one? Post your revision in this thread.

Edited by Twiddler on May 27th 2024 at 3:18:45 AM

Axe23 Since: May, 2023
#33212: May 27th 2024 at 10:16:32 AM

When i Will be unsuspended?

Synchronicity MOD (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#33213: May 27th 2024 at 10:18:43 AM

~Tropers/Memers appeal

Since that suspension, you've been tagged a couple times (via thump and/or mod PM) for negativity, minimodding, and other such behaviors in the media forums. It hasn't resulted in a full forum ban, but it's enough that the possibility of letting you into a, shall we say, more inherently emotional posting environment like OTC raises some eyebrows.

Can we expect that not only will this behavior not continue, it also won't spill over to OTC if you are let back in?


~The Farmboy appeal

While we sometimes offer timed suspensions, they're not the default. Most suspensions don't have a set time limit and are resolved if/when we are convinced that the situation will not occur.

In your case, you were suspended for griping about a work page being removed in the Crappy Image Pickin' thread. Not only is this, well, not really on topic for the thread, complaining about a consensus reached by the staff and other users without really contributing to the discussion or being productive in discussions at all is a swift way to get banned.


~Sergeant Bane appeal

Let's get one thing straight here — you are three Zero-Context Example-related suspensions in. To "fix them once I become aware of them" is not the approach we want from you. We want you to be aware that you are following the rules as you edit. If you receive more notifiers for this issue, we're going to assume that none of this has stuck.

If you are released and suspended again from the wiki, that suspension will be permanent. That means you are not going to get the "slowly earning them back" offer you have right now. No appeals, no questions asked, permanent. Is that clear?


~Demongodofchaos 2 appeal

It's more that you have a fairly long history of personal attacks and lowkey rudeness (your list of thumped posts is one place to start) and this was the tipping point. Your posting history suggests you feel very strongly about certain creators and topics, but we're going to need you to not get bogged down in negativity when others disagree. Other moderators have already explained in PM the difference between legitimately questionable, holler-able opinions and regular old disagreements.


~Rosa HG attempted ban evasion and has been bounced.
~Rm 74 appeal

We will not commit to a specific timeframe or required number of posts beyond "several, consistently, over a long period of time". We do promise that we will look over your 'record' (which we can access quite easily on our end, so no need to spam comments like you were previously doing...) in good faith when you think you have accrued a good "portfolio".

Your TLP access has been restored; please use it wisely.


~Geek Squad 24 B appeal

Greetings. It was because you decided to launch Summoned by Sobbing despite having no previous involvement in the draft. This is what the TLP Guidelines calls 'rogue-launching'. It's not allowed because (a) it's rude to the active sponsor if there is one (b) you might be putting a subpar page on the wiki.

Can you summarize the launch requirements on TLP Guidelines?


~Tropers/Wilben appeal

Looks like you committed an Edit War over the spoilers-off warning. That's bad. Such pages don't have standardized spoiler warnings, so how does Edit War page say you should have resolved this disagreement?


Edited by Twiddler on May 27th 2024 at 3:21:57 AM

Demongodofchaos2 Face me now, bitch! from In a Cultivation World (Ancient one) Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Face me now, bitch!
#33214: May 27th 2024 at 10:28:34 AM

Understood. I'll do my best to avoid that from here on out, but if you don't feel like I deserve to come back though, thats ok too, and I can just stay a lurker instead.

Watch Symphogear
Mrph1 MOD he/him from Mercia (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: This is not my beautiful wife!
he/him
#33215: May 27th 2024 at 10:40:48 AM

~Axe23 (appeal)

As Tabs said here, the next step is:

Please read Edit War and explain what you can do and where you can go to avoid edit warring.

And as Synchronicity pointed out, we don't just want you to copy and paste someone else's answer. We need to be sure that you've understood the policy and know how to avoid this problem in future, so we'd like to read it in your own words.

Until that happens, we can't move forward with the appeal. Is that clear?

Brydav Since: Mar, 2022
#33216: May 27th 2024 at 10:57:05 AM

Look, if it makes you feel better. I will no longer be editing on that specific page. Besides, nothing in the rules says there is a ban limit. So from now on, I will only be listing tropes by their proper name. And if that isn't good enough, I feel like you should update your policy. I mean, two years is a very big time gap. It is definitely bigger than two months or two weeks. But that's not my point; my point is that I really am trying to help out. It's just that sometimes I am a bit ignorant of the rules. But experience has taught me that just because you don't know a rule, doesn't mean you can't break it. So yeah, I think I should have another go at this.

Edited by Brydav on May 28th 2024 at 10:03:46 AM

Synchronicity MOD (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#33217: May 27th 2024 at 10:59:50 AM

~Mohamed GYPT appeal

We're willing to buy that your writing style has matured, but we've also spent quite a bit of time here over your two suspensions trying to get you to understand the rules on How to Write an Example without being too confident that you have understood them. If you're released and suspended again, it will be permanent. Is that clear?


~Gargus SCP appeal

We do appreciate the self-reflection in your post and acknowledge that a significant amount of time has passed since the flareup.

To demonstrate that you are willing to learn the "protocol" — you were first suspended in 2018 for an incident of Edit Warring. Can you summarize how that page recommends resolving edit disagreements?


~Stephen Epsilons appeal

One: Part of the issue was that you weren't just ignoring hidden warnings, you also received several notifiers trying to point you towards Image Pickin' even before you were suspended. Racking up notifiers generally tells us that the user was not really trying to fix their behavior, whether that's for image changes or some other policy.

Two:

  • If the page image is of bad quality, it is my civic duty to replace it with either an improved version of the page image or a different official image reflective of the page in question.
  • Whenever possible, I do provide context on the replaced page image within the page itself, something of which I'm been doing out of habit for some time now.

You are allowed to replace images with an improved version of the same image, but what folks have been trying to tell you is that you cannot change images unilaterally. You need to start a thread in the forum so others can agree that your suggestion really is an improvement. Further instructions are in the pinned post of this thread.


~Dongwa Chan appeal

You were suspended years ago because the threads you were starting in Image Pickin' were agreed to be some combo of low-effort, unproductive, or nitpicky. Is there any reason to believe you will act differently if unsuspended?


~Tropers/amitakartok appeal

You don't need to appeal a suspension, but (blanket statement that obviously isn't applicable to all cases incoming) we are generally more willing to give second chances than third chances.


~Tropers/smogmonster appeal

Looks good on our end. Your suspension is released.


~Beescy TVT appeal

All good. Please remember that you need to obtain consensus from one of those venues before redoing your edit, otherwise it's still an Edit War. Your suspension is released.


~Tropers/generation81 appeal

Your TLP suspension is still active, if that's what you're referring to. You are not suspended from anywhere else on the site.


~Tropers/katrina7 appeal

To clarify, suspensions aren't timed by default. Your vandalism was that you were making nonsense pages that didn't fit the purpose of the namespaces. We don't tolerate repeat offenses for this type of stuff, so if you're released and vandalize some more, the suspension will be permanent. We suggest reading up on the various Administrivia so you can learn how to contribute properly.

Edited by Twiddler on May 27th 2024 at 3:27:12 AM

Wilben Ashley Since: Nov, 2023
#33218: May 27th 2024 at 11:03:04 AM

Well, since spoiler tags don't have standardized formatting, I guess it really isn't necessary to change it if it ain't broke. And if it really is a problem, I can always message the person directly about it rather than starting an Edit War.

I understand now and will do better next time.

Edited by Wilben on May 27th 2024 at 11:31:45 AM

generation81 Since: Aug, 2021
#33219: May 27th 2024 at 11:06:24 AM

[up][up] When I try to make a new page it takes me to the TLP.

GargusSCP Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
#33220: May 27th 2024 at 11:14:59 AM

It's better to avoid getting involved in an edit war in the first place. As the threshold is three edits back and forth - one party makes a change, the other changes it back, the original party undoes the second's change - a revision to one's edit should not prompt a response of making another edit. Better rather to take things to the entry's dedicated discussion page, engage with the other editor in a private message, or (if necessary and properly signposted through edit reason or PM) post in a dedicated Trope/Wiki Talk or Ask the Tropers forum, whichever is applicable to the situation. Being on the receiving end of a brewing edit war should still involve these steps as a show of good faith, but a message to the moderators in the event of repetition or hostility is best practice.

Basically, you just gotta not be bullheaded and recognize the site has dedicated spaces for resolving such disagreements, rather than running a "yes" "no" "yes" "no" "yes" "no" routine in the edit history to no beneficial or productive end.

Fighteer MOD Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Tailikku (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#33222: May 27th 2024 at 11:55:47 AM

my edit wasn't in error. It was properly indented. It was branching from a previous indentation.

Axe23 Since: May, 2023
#33223: May 27th 2024 at 12:00:39 PM

Yeah, It's clear. Please An Update

CoolNickNack Since: Nov, 2015
#33224: May 27th 2024 at 12:23:48 PM

Is this right?

  • Cruel to Be Kind: Hijikata constantly treats Tetsu harshly and is seemingly never satisfied with any of Tetsu's progress. But as Okita and others point out to Tetsu later, Hijikata does not wish for Tetsu to get his hands bloody, which is why he made Testu his page so he wouldn't be officially considered part of the Shinsengumi and be spared from the strict rules that they follow. Later on in the series, Hijkata frequently sends Tetsu out on "errands" just prior to a battle as a way to protect him or as an excuse for him to "leave" the Shinsengumi if he chose to. Tetsu would eventually realize Hijikata's intentions but still find ways regardless to return to Hijikata's side.
  • Even the Guys Want Him:
    • Tetsunosuke has a good number of Bishōnen guys that surround him, combined with the massive amounts of Ho Yay, and Suzu's actions towards him in the manga, it's not hard to see why.
    • Hijikata also attracts attention and admiration from men. One panel has Tetsu blushing when Hijikata was changing off-screen. Later, Ito expresses interest in Hijikata, much to Hijikata's displeasure. When Hijikata cuts his hair and changes into his western uniform, several men develop hearts in their eyes

Edited by CoolNickNack on May 27th 2024 at 12:24:10 PM

TheFarmboy You can go home, Courier from Mojave Wasteland (Not-So-Newbie) Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
You can go home, Courier
#33225: May 27th 2024 at 12:32:41 PM

Well then. I apologize for my misconduct, and I will never take potshots at the mods again nor will I ever question their rulings in anything I am personally not involved with. I will be willing to wait to be reinstated if I am not ready to be unsuspended at present time. I understand now, and thank you for listening for my initial plea and your consideration.

I got spurs, that jingle-jangle-jingle!

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