This is the thread we use to talk things over with people who have received a suspension notice. A lot of the time the notice goes out just so we can explain how seriously we take certain things, not because we want the person to feel bad and go away.
If you're suspended, give What to Do If You Are Suspended a read, then post here to begin your appeal. We try to respond to appeals in order via batch posts every few days. If a moderator has responded to your appeal, you will receive a notification in your private messages, even if you're suspended from PMs.
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- Don't be rude. Rule 1 applies here, too.
- Don't try to negotiate your suspension outside of this thread, such as by sending Private Messages to moderators or posting elsewhere. Such activity may be thumped or otherwise removed, and may warrant an additional suspension block if it keeps happening. All communications have to take place within this thread.
- Don't respond to other suspended users. This is a place for you to discuss your suspension, not others'.
- Don't post multiple times about your appeal if it hasn't been a few days since your last reply from us, since it makes it more difficult to compose responses. If you've posted, we're likely looking at it, and kindly request you to be more patient.
- Don't make another account to try and get around your suspension. This is called ban evasion and will get you bounced. (Again, read What to Do If You Are Suspended if you don't know what these words mean.)
Edited by Synchronicity on Jul 15th 2023 at 11:35:01 AM
Having white hair does not make you a White-Haired Pretty Boy. The characters may well have white hair, but that doesn't automatically mean the trope is applicable. As it is clear you are neither reading the tropes, nor are you reading the actual reasons for your ban, I am afraid it can not be lifted.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
I think some sort of misunderstanding happened here.
What wasn't clear to you?
The thing that is missing is an understanding that a character can have white hair and be a pretty boy and still not be the archetype being described in White-Haired Pretty Boy. There are other attributes needed to fit the definition. A member of a race of white haired people would more than likely not fit the trope.
I think shimaspawn is expressing a frustration with people in general who read the name of the trope and don't factor in the rest of the stuff in the trope description.
I'll lift the suspension. Maybe you can help us spread the idea that reading the whole description will make for a better use of tropes.
Also, I'll list White-Haired Pretty Boy in the Repair Shop as having a name that is too easy to misinterpret.
edited 22nd Feb '13 4:58:02 PM by FastEddie
Goal: Clear, Concise and Witty
Mastermind Rational
Hello. It seems I have been suspended from editing YKTTW, although I can still edit normal pages. I do not recall discarding tropes, taking over others' YKTTWs, or being particularly rude lately... I did launch Stealth Tropes with just three hats recently, however, and I may have strange ideas of what is and isn't a trope. Can someone please point towards what I've done wrong?
EDIT: Also, I have a bug to report. Even though I am banned on YKTTW, I can still access my YKTTWs via direct links, available, for instance, via personal YKTTW history. I still can't edit them or post comments, but if try the latter, the whole edit ban error page (menus and all) gets loaded into the comment section. I think the correct behavior would be to just show the message text, or not allow me to use the edit button at all. I can upload the screenshot if you want.
edited 23rd Feb '13 3:29:37 PM by Koveras
Nothing appears to be wrong with your launches, but you seem to have trouble with other people editing your drafts. Can you tell me why you're so averse to the idea?
edited 18th Oct '13 11:13:27 AM by Madrugada
"If you aren't him, then you apparently got your brain from the same discount retailer, so..." - Fighteer
Hi! I'm a little new to this site and signed up so that I could read it without the spoilers being blocked. I've only ever read on this site - never edited anything or posted anything. I went to an Analysis tab and was told that I was suspended. I'm not clear why, when all I do is read (and laugh) when I'm on this site. It also won't let me PM. Can anyone help?
Thanks!
I see no edits. I'll lift the suspension.
edited 23rd Feb '13 7:23:00 PM by FastEddie
Goal: Clear, Concise and Witty
Like I said, I was angry. If you tried to contribute to something and came back every time to find your contribution unceremoniously removed with no justification given, you'd probably get angry too. But I swear it won't happen again.
Mastermind Rational
@lu 127: I dislike when other editors edit my drafts because I prefer tropes that I launch to be written in a uniform style. I am not saying that my style is the best ever, but since it is my name standing on top of the YKTTW as the sponsor, no matter who edits it later, I feel it is my responsibility to make sure that the new trope looks and reads good upon launch. Since nobody yet complained about my writing style, I think it is a good starting point for a new trope article.
When other tropers edit my YKTTWs, they often make mistakes easily avoided if they just posted their examples in the comments first. Most of the time it's simple things like missing namespaces and italics in titles, and the example length (too long or too brief to tell if it falls under the proposed trope definition). The YKTTW history makes it hard to determine what was changed in the new revision without text comparison tool and it doesn't show who edited it (I think it's a bug: the YKTTW's sponsor is always credited with all edits on its history, even ones made by others), meaning that there is extra work for me to figure out who changed what and make sure it's looking good—which, as stated above, I view as my responsibility when I commit to launching a YKTTW.
A month-old example to illustrate my stance: here, azul120 edited the Code Geass example to include a "partly subverted" instance (I think the problem with that should be obvious, see Not A Subversion). Since the entire write-up was already quite long at the time, I didn't notice it right away and didn't double check, assuming azul120's edit was minor. So it wasn't until captainpat pointed it out that I saw and fixed it. It was a slightly embarrassing experience.
That said, I am not opposed to people editing my YKTTWs on principle. If it is just grammar corrections or fixing the examples they contributed themselves, I don't mind. And if the person additionally lets me know what exactly they changed in a brief comment, I tend to thank them.
Can I be allowed to edit again? It's been 2 months!
I promise I'll be good.
Lost in Space
Under, you never responded to my post, here.
edited 24th Feb '13 6:49:56 PM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Mastermind Rational
Would it be possible to receive another comment on my situation? I have eight on-going YKTTWs and I still cannot understand why I am not allowed to update them anymore.
Hi
Dr JS Marshall, I've lifted your suspensions. We take a very dim view of that sort of conduct, whether it's out in the open in the forums or over PMs, and a repeat instance will probably be your last. With that said, happy troping.
edited 25th Feb '13 9:55:55 AM by Willbyr
Tropers/Koveras: I've lifted that suspension. Because we want people to feel they can participate freely in the development of a trope, it would be better if you did not try discourage YKTTW editing.
It makes sense that a sponsor of a YKTTW would closely monitor the text of the developing YKTTW to make sure language and other standards are kept up. This can be done without "gatekeeping" the draft. Let the people give their input, then correct it as needs be. As you know, having been around for a good while, this is fundamentally how a wiki works and we'd like for YKTTW to have that same dynamic.
edited 25th Feb '13 12:52:57 PM by FastEddie
Goal: Clear, Concise and Witty
Lurker Supreme
I do not know why I was suspended, but I can guess. I suspect it may have something to do with my removing of select Funny Moments because I felt they were not funny at all. Or it could be towards my behavior towards the Megaman fanbase.
Acknowledged. Given a chance, I will focus strictly on cataloging tropes as they appear. I really enjoy helping others out, so if I can edit constructively, that would be awesome.
Beware of occasional bad attitude. I do Fanfics on deviantART. Witness me make a mockery out of myself there, too.
I would like my suspension to be lifted in the next couple of weeks, seeing as I got the suspension notice a few months ago and it was my first time getting such a notice I believe my prolonged suffering has been long enough. I mostly have been using my account to correct errors made by other tropers and at least one of the pages that I had hand in starting needs to be updated, and seeing as I was the only one updating at least one of those pages I would really like to make the necessary corrections, one the tropes I had at one of the pages had its name changed during my suspension and as such I was unable to make the correction when needed. I am not asking for the suspension to be lifted over night, but I would like to perform the correction I feel are my duty and such would like to be able to execute them some time before June. Thank you for taking the time to skim this ramble of my feelings of ineptitude as as a troper. Also I'm not entirely sure what elements led to my suspension.
edited 28th Feb '13 2:45:20 PM by dracone
Sanity is a delusion perpetuated by the masses
@Darkon: You are correct on the reasons for your suspension. It was both of the reasons you listed, but the big problem is that you seem to run afoul of our "Don't be a dick." rule frequently. We can't allow you to edit if you can't play nicely with others. What assurances do we have that you'll be nicer to have around from here on out?
@dracone: You were suspended for grammar, natter, and capitalization issues, as well as run-on sentence abuse. While your post here still shows those issues, I'm going to give you a chance to prove you can improve. If you can run your proposed edits through the "Get help with English here" thread, and show that your grammar really can improve, I will unban you.
Don't Fear the Spiders
Firstly, I would like to say that having to settle a grievance in the open is highly embarrassing and this policy should be changed. Wouldn't a simple 'PM one of these select people if you have a suspension/ban issue' suffice?
Anyway, it seems I stepped on a few bureaucratic toes by my editing. Or something. I've been given a sentence in private without my knowledge only to discover the punishment for a "crime(s)" I do not know what I was sentenced for. Um, what? Surely when this happens someone keeps a record with a reason for the suspension. Just have a bot send me a PM with that reason. That isn't even complicated.
Look, I'm not a rebel or a revolutionary nor am I trying to stick it to "the man". I just want my editing privileges back. If someone; be it a mod, admin, or another contributor; has a grievance against me I can reconcile and reform. Most likely the grievance occurred due to ignorance on my part anyway because I used common sense instead of reading the long list of rules. Obviously, relying on conventional wisdom can be a double-edge.
Keep it breezy!Well, to answer your first question, there have been grievances in the past about the lack of transparency, so the appeal process for editing is visible. It also helps other editors who lurk this thread to observe common mistakes that they should not be making.
Now, on to the actual issue. You removed the images on Weight Woe and Chubby Chaser despite the %% note on Chubby Chaser saying the image is allowed. We have an entire forum dedicated to picking images. You could always bring the issue there, though unless the pictures are, by themelves, NSFW, then I'm afraid the works they originate from don't matter.
That alone wasn't an issue to earn you a suspension, but when I visited the Cut List, I see you have cutlisted Complete Monster for some unclear reason. Namely...
Ignoring the fact that we have forums like Trope Repair Shop dealing with problematic tropes and deciding whether to cut them, none of the things you cited are sufficient to cut a page. So, what is the reasoning behind this spurious cutlisting?
Lastly, if you are using common sense, then you should know well enough that someone this new should take it slow, learn the ropes, read our welcome articles and ask around for help, without arbitrarily cutlisting one of our more popular tropes that currently has a thread with over 9,000 posts dedicated to maintaining it.
"If you aren't him, then you apparently got your brain from the same discount retailer, so..." - Fighteer
In addition, you seem opposed to the light and breezy nature of this wiki and unacquainted with our customs. Your edits show a disdain for humour and rather angry edit reasons on encountering it.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
Don't Fear the Spiders
lu 127: Someone by the name of captainpat PM'ed me about this and informed me I went about taking down the image the wrong way - sorry. Further, there is an issue with referencing pornographic works for appearance tropes. For instance in this case here you can pretty much insert a mention of every single BBW porn ever. This goes against the spirit of the 5P rules that says you can reference explicit material in works but in a non-explicit context since it should be for story-beats, not titillation.
As for taking down the images; the images themselves are honestly harmless and I should have been a little less prudish (though I still wish the image didn't come from a hentai magazine). Though resizing said images is in order because they take up too much page space, something which user captainpat said would be in order. But obviously I can't. And here we are.
The only reason I added Complete Monster to the cutlist instead of talking about it is because there's a 24 hour restriction on forum posting. Otherwise I would have brought up the issue there. If my reasoning was unclear it is because the cut list box does not leave room for editing. It functions as a quickie way to get pages noticed for deletion. The point was not to utterly condemn the entire thing but to create a discussion about it (admittedly deletion would be a possible resolution).
While I understand my action may have been in haste, um, what's the harm in suggesting an article be stripped? Now, if I tore down the article or did some vandalism to get my way clearly I deserve punishment; but if you have a system in place by which one can send a message to higher-ups to remove an article or a set of articles, assuming one is not flooding the inbox, why does this warrant suspension?
Last for last, you are mistaken. This is not my first rodeo. TVtropes has changed much in the past couple of years (and thank God it did). All was chaos, I abandoned the site. Then I came back and made a new account (the old accounts having been plagued with usernames/passwords long forgot - and admittedly carried over some baggage I don't care for).
Nonetheless, your point still stands and I should really give myself a crash course on TVtropes rules and etiquette. As such, I offer a plea bargain. I suggest the suspension be extended for a total of 48 hours from whence it was placed to help achieve this goal. Like I said before, I'm not trying to rebel.
edited 26th Feb '13 1:49:58 PM by EditorPallMall
Keep it breezy!
That's not what the Cut List is for. It quite clearly states that:
edited 26th Feb '13 1:54:12 PM by Deadbeatloser22
"Yup. That tasted purple."
FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC!
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Do you remember the name of your old account?
I read everything. In the first Tinker Bell movie, all Winter Fairies were white-haired. Ad it has been like that until the movie Secret of the Wings, which showed that not all Winter fairies have white hair. Few of them had black, brown or blonde hair, but the vast majority of Winter fairies that were seen in the movie had white hair.