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Edited by GastonRabbit on Apr 30th 2025 at 11:56:51 AM
~Dezz Marie 95 - That's good. Since you know how to add proper context to your entries now, I'll release your suspension.
~Spaceman Spoof - Actually, multiple examples should all be indented properly regardless of sequence. If it's not an example, fine let's chalk it up as natter that needs to be removed.
Since the first test didn't go exactly as planned, let's do another. Can you try re-indenting these examples from Stargate SG-1's subpages? Please fix them as if you are editing the page instead of just telling us what you would do. Feel free to use Example Indentation in Trope Lists as a reference.
- Beware the Nice Ones:
- Samantha Carter, the one member of SG-1 who never displays any personal hatred against the Goa'uld and who is the most level-headed of the group, is the one whose skill and experience blew up a sun.
- The Asgard, particularly Thor. They are a wonderfully benevolent and understanding people, even treating the Goa'uld with a measure of respect... but if you try to invade a world they protect, Thor will descend from on high in his ship and seriously fuck you up. And without any mess, too.
- While simultaneously cleaning up your mess, in point of fact. He wiped out an entire Goa'uld occupation force using just his ship's transporters. Heaven help you if he decides to actually shoot at you.
- Good Is Not Nice: The methods the SGC is willing to use to fight their enemies can be brutal when you think about them. Exemplified in the episode "2001", when a hostile alien species is tricked into getting fake gate coordinates.
O'Neill: The first one's a black hole, they get darker from there.
- Played straight in episode "The Other Side", when O'Neill first betrays the new allies of Earth (after finding out they are actually the bad guys) and then orders the Earth's Iris closed despite fully knowing one person will try to get through, essentially committing a cold blooded murder.
~Tropers/melty178 Those are all correct. I'll release your suspension.
~Valentine Meikin - You don't have to know the source material in order to split the tropes if there's enough context. I was able to separate them the way you did just by looking at the example. Anyways, you split those entries correctly so we will move on the the final test.
One thing I forgot to address about your last post
(before the trope slashing fix) was the proper use of third level bullets. They are not to be used to further clarify a point. That's natter and is an invalid use of bullets. Third level bullets should only be used to list multiple examples from a specific work with a parent franchise. Like this:
- Pokémon
- Pokémon Sword and Shield: Example 1
- Pokémon Scarlet and Violet:
- Example 1
- Example 2
- Example 3
Now that that's out of the way, I'd like you identify the problems with this Damn You, Muscle Memory! entry on Hatsune Miku: Project DIVA as a final test. Feel free to use Example Indentation in Trope Lists as a reference.
- Damn You, Muscle Memory!:
- The series has a weird quirk of penalizing you for not releasing hold notes on time, whereas most games generally accept the hold note as long as you held throughout the entire note. This will likely throw players of other rhythm games for a loop the first few times.
- Players who played later games going back to the first game will likely get a few "Worst" notes because they were trying to use the D-Pad to hit them. You can't do that, here.
- If you played too much F 2nd on the Vita with analog sticks as Scratches, see if you can finish any Hard/Extreme songs in F without touching the stick.
- On the flipside, Scratch notes were very forgiving, being able to be done by simply flicking the stick/swiping the screen constantly on F - they were exempt from being judged as safe, meaning you just had to hit them in a reasonable area of their appearance to be given a "fine/good". F 2nd now actually requires you to properly hit the note to get a "fine/good" or "cool", making it much harder to complete Technical Zones or get a Perfect.
- DIVA Arcade uses a button layout consisting of four buttons in a horizontal line, rather than the two sets of diamonds used by the console and handheld games. Anyone used to the latter, especially someone coming off playing on one of the limited edition arcade-style controllers, will be in for a rude awakening when they attempt Arcade.
- As a result, Project Diva Future Tone on PS4 allows you to remap the entire controller to recreate the 'horizontal line' play style, or use the standard control style.
- Going directly from a very fast (or even average paced) song, to a slower song, such as Sakura Rain, can really throw off a player when their still trying to hit buttons at a speed that's twice the speed of the current song.
- mirai DX avoids this. The notes are colored to match the buttons on a New 3DS, but there is an option to have them match the PlayStation button colors. Even then, having the 'X' button be the top button instead of the bottom can still be confusing.
- mirai is significantly more lenient with button timing than DIVA, to the point where the kind of timing that nets a FINE in DIVA is still a COOL in Mirai, and so forth. This can be detrimental if you play DIVA right after playing Mirai, which may screw up all your timing because DIVA is much harsher when it comes to grading.
- Hold Notes in mirai are a weird combination between the main series' version and the kind used in Arcade. They're mandatory notes like in the main series, but you don't actually need to hold them, like in Arcade. Holding a Hold Note grants bonus points, like in Arcade, but the note requires you to both hit the note at the beginning and release at the end with proper timing for it to count, like in the main series.
- Have fun playing some of the charts in F 2nd or X if you're too used to their original incarnations in an earlier game; some of them change just a few notes, which can throw you off especially on Extreme charts.
Edited by MacronNotes on Nov 10th 2022 at 9:13:08 AM
Macron's notesOh, I could see a lot of the problems, and the solutions, even without knowing the series here...
- Damn You, Muscle Memory!:
- The series has a weird quirk of penalizing you for not releasing hold notes on time, whereas most games generally accept the hold note as long as you held throughout the entire note. This will likely throw players of other rhythm games for a loop the first few times.
- Going directly from a very fast (or even average paced) song, to a slower song, such as Sakura Rain, can really throw off a player when their still trying to hit buttons at a speed that's twice the speed of the current song.
- Players who played later games going back to the first game will likely get a few "Worst" notes because they were trying to use the D-Pad to hit them. You can't do that, here.
- If you played too much F 2nd on the Vita with analog sticks as Scratches, see if you can finish any Hard/Extreme songs in F without touching the stick. On the flipside, Scratch notes were very forgiving, being able to be done by simply flicking the stick/swiping the screen constantly on F - they were exempt from being judged as safe, meaning you just had to hit them in a reasonable area of their appearance to be given a "fine/good". F 2nd now actually requires you to properly hit the note to get a "fine/good" or "cool", making it much harder to complete Technical Zones or get a Perfect.
- Have fun playing some of the charts in F 2nd or X if you're too used to their original incarnations in an earlier game; some of them change just a few notes, which can throw you off especially on Extreme charts.
- DIVA Arcade uses a button layout consisting of four buttons in a horizontal line, rather than the two sets of diamonds used by the console and handheld games. Anyone used to the latter, especially someone coming off playing on one of the limited edition arcade-style controllers, will be in for a rude awakening when they attempt Arcade. As a result, Project Diva Future Tone on PS4 allows you to remap the entire controller to recreate the 'horizontal line' play style, or use the standard control style.
- mirai is significantly more lenient with button timing than DIVA, to the point where the kind of timing that nets a FINE in DIVA is still a COOL in Mirai, and so forth. This can be detrimental if you play DIVA right after playing Mirai, which may screw up all your timing because DIVA is much harsher when it comes to grading.
- Hold Notes in mirai are a weird combination between the main series' version and the kind used in Arcade. They're mandatory notes like in the main series, but you don't actually need to hold them, like in Arcade. Holding a Hold Note grants bonus points, like in Arcade, but the note requires you to both hit the note at the beginning and release at the end with proper timing for it to count, like in the main series.
- mirai DX avoids this. The notes are colored to match the buttons on a New 3DS, but there is an option to have them match the Playstation button colors. Even then, having the 'X' button be the top button instead of the bottom can still be confusing.
Neither of those third bullet examples even need them. Shuffle a few examples around as well, and you clean up a lot more than just bullets.
Edited by ValentineMeikin on Jun 16th 2022 at 12:22:02 PM
Ok, here goes:
- Beware the Nice Ones:
- Samantha Carter, the one member of SG-1 who never displays any personal hatred against the Goa'uld and who is the most level-headed of the group, is the one whose skill and experience blew up a sun.
- The Asgard, particularly Thor. They are a wonderfully benevolent and understanding people, even treating the Goa'uld with a measure of respect, but will aggressively defend any worlds under their protection. SG-1 first witnesses Thor's might when his ship single-handedly wipes out an entire Goa'uld occupation force without even firing a shot, using only its transporters.
- Good Is Not Nice:
- Episode "2001" demonstrates just how brutal the SGC can be towards its enemies. In dealing with a hostile alien species, the team tricks them into taking a list of gate coordinates leading to the most dangerous destinations the SGC has discovered.
O'Neill: The first one's a black hole, they get darker from there.
- In "The Other Side", after discovering that Earth's newest allies are actually Space Nazis, SG-1 betrays them and then retreats through the gate as their base comes under attack. As soon as they're through, O'Neill orders the iris closed despite fully knowing that one of the aliens will ignore his warnings and try to follow them, essentially committing a cold blooded murder.
- Episode "2001" demonstrates just how brutal the SGC can be towards its enemies. In dealing with a hostile alien species, the team tricks them into taking a list of gate coordinates leading to the most dangerous destinations the SGC has discovered.
~Deep Dank Fantasy — Good. Your suspension is lifted.
~Valentine Meikin — As Macron explained, you can group entries from the same installment/group together:
- Trope:
- Installment 1
- Installment 2
- Installment 3 (from that bunch of text, the installment mirai two different examples)
- mirai entry 1
- mirai entry 2
- Installment 4
It is easier to apply that to works you are familiar with, but it is still something to keep in mind. Do you have any other questions about Example Indentation in Trope Lists?
~Spaceman Spoof — That's correctly indented. Do you have any other questions about Example Indentation in Trope Lists?
~kataangluvr — Your suspension is two issues for the price of one:
- You are trying to add an unapproved Complete Monster entry to a YMMV page. Unlike most of the tropes on the site, entries for Complete Monster must be approved by the cleanup thread
before being added to pages. You must acknowledge and understand that if your suspension is to be released.
- By re-adding the entry twice, you're already knee-deep in an Edit War. Please read that page and tell us:
- When is an edit considered an Edit War?
- What should you do in order to avoid one?
Not really. I've learned a lot more than I was aware of with these little exercises than any amount of venting at people can teach me.
With the final example exercise, trying it that way...
- Damn You, Muscle Memory!: The gameplay systems for Project Diva have, largely, played much the same all the way from the Playstation Portable to the PS5 and Switch, except for a few particular quirks...
- In General:
- Most of the games have a weird quirk of penalizing you for not releasing hold notes on time, whereas most games generally accept the hold note as long as you held throughout the entire note. This will likely throw players of other rhythm games for a loop the first few times.
- Going directly from a very fast (or even average paced) song, to a slower song, such as Sakura Rain, can really throw off a player when their still trying to hit buttons at a speed that's twice the speed of the current song.
- With the original game, Players who played later games going back to the first game will likely get a few "Worst" notes because they were trying to use the D-Pad to hit them. You can't do that, here.
- The Playstation 3/4 and Vita titles (F, F 2nd, X)
- If you played too much F 2nd on the Vita with analog sticks as Scratches, see if you can finish any Hard/Extreme songs in F without touching the stick.
- On the flipside, Scratch notes were very forgiving, being able to be done by simply flicking the stick/swiping the screen constantly on F - they were exempt from being judged as safe, meaning you just had to hit them in a reasonable area of their appearance to be given a "fine/good". F 2nd now actually requires you to properly hit the note to get a "fine/good" or "cool", making it much harder to complete Technical Zones or get a Perfect.
- Have fun playing some of the charts in F 2nd or X if you're too used to their original incarnations in an earlier game; some of them change just a few notes, which can throw you off especially on Extreme charts.
- Project Diva Arcade/Future Tone/Mega Mix:
- DIVA Arcade uses a button layout consisting of four buttons in a horizontal line, rather than the two sets of diamonds used by the console and handheld games. Anyone used to the latter, especially someone coming off playing on one of the limited edition arcade-style controllers, will be in for a rude awakening when they attempt Arcade.
- As a result, Project Diva Future Tone on PS4 allows you to remap the entire controller to recreate the 'horizontal line' play style, or use the standard control style.
- Mega Mix on Switch and PC also includes an option to use the Playstation symbols from Future Tone alongside the new letter symbols.
- Project Mirai (3DS):
- mirai is significantly more lenient with button timing than DIVA, to the point where the kind of timing that nets a FINE in DIVA is still a COOL in Mirai, and so forth. This can be detrimental if you play DIVA right after playing Mirai, which may screw up all your timing because DIVA is much harsher when it comes to grading.
- Hold Notes in mirai are a weird combination between the main series' version and the kind used in Arcade. They're mandatory notes like in the main series, but you don't actually need to hold them, like in Arcade. Holding a Hold Note grants bonus points, like in Arcade, but the note requires you to both hit the note at the beginning and release at the end with proper timing for it to count, like in the main series.
- mirai DX avoids this. The notes are colored to match the buttons on a New 3DS, but there is an option to have them match the Playstation button colors. Even then, having the 'X' button be the top button instead of the bottom can still be confusing.
- In General:
This would work better on that concept, but part of me is literally screaming at all the three bullet prompts. I'll probably find myself getting a bad twitch when I see them for weeks.
An Edit War is when someone is trying to change the content on a page and another person is trying to undo the changes. Their constant attempts to keep one version of the page turns into an edit war. To prevent an edit war, the users need to consult with other people on Ask The Tropers, or in this case this thread here
, to determine which changes should be kept and which ones should be discarded. They need to provide reasons why the changes should be made or why the content should be left the same or removed.
Edited by kataangluvr on Jun 16th 2022 at 3:31:16 AM
~Synchronicity Nope, I'm good. Again I appreciate the reminder and I'll endeavor to be more mindful of indentation issues going forward.
In that case I’m leaving TV Tropes for good. Maybe I’ll come back as a forum contributor one day but for now this is the end.
I had sent a message to the mod, but just noticed I got Forum banned. Of course I need it to bring this here now.
The discussion was this one
, I'm aware.
The discussion degenerated and I fully recognize it. I went off topic, reacted angrily and didn't respect the "don't respond rule".
That said, I would of course like to return to the forum. As for the On-Topic Conversations, I wasn't very active in there to begin with, so if you decide to lift my suspension from there as well, I'm not going to post there in the short time anyway.
~Valentine Meikin and ~Spaceman Spoof — Since you both seem to understand Example Indentation in Trope Lists now I'll lift your suspensions. Refer to that policy page and don't hesitate to Ask The Tropers when in doubt.
~kataangluvr — Three things:
- An Edit War happens on the first re-add or re-remove after someone modifies/removes your entry. It doesn't have to be a protracted thing. You have to obtain agreement or consensus before that.
- Participation in the Complete Monster thread requires more than just "consultation". It has its own rules that you have to adhere to.
- What other venues besides Ask The Tropers can you use to obtain input and avoid an edit war?
~gc10 — Let's make a couple of things clear:
- For a myriad of reasons, there is a big movement to discredit or deemphasize the importance of vaccines. It is possible to discuss people affected by vaccine policies without falling into talking points that unnecessarily victimize antivaxxers. We don't tolerate the latter.
- More broadly, you have to learn to read the room if you are to be let back into OTC. If everyone else in the forum thread obviously hates where a conversation is going, you don't have to keep hammering in the point.
Go to discussion forums and talk about any additional tropes that may be applicable. Most forms of media (shows, games, etc.) will have their own discussion pages, which will make it easier to determine which tropes will and won’t work.
Got it. I understand the necessity of not hammering something too much, especially if it's not popular, and in general trying to keep the conversation as relaxed as possible. And I apologize for escalating the situation more than intended.
But I honestly have to say, because I honestly feel I was treated unfairly, it's not right that I was called names by two other users, and they got away with it. I understand your point about strong disagreement and frustration. But I wrote nothing in bad faith, and they had no valid reason for calling me names. They could have expressed their complete disagreement and frustration in respectful ways (as other users did).
That's really the last thing I wanted to say on the matter. I'm on Tv Tropes for fun of course, and I don't want to lose access to the site for such issues. I noticed I'm already unbanned, not sure if it's a bug or you did release me. In any case, I'm not returning to the OTC any soon, simply because I'm not comfortable there, and if I will I'll be careful with my words and other users. I can assure I'm not gonna cause any more problems in the future.
Well my rights suspended for trying to fix my trope draft, fixing other tropes that have been discarded for years, and simply wanting some decent input from demanding troper voices telling me how much they don't like my initial ideas. If this is how this site chooses to operate, I can't see why I should even bother at all.
Edited by Omnicron13 on Jun 17th 2022 at 6:30:21 AM
~kataangluvr — Keep that in mind. I'll lift your suspension.
~gc10 — Your ban was specific to OTC, which I'll now lift.
~Omnicron 13 — This wiki is a collaborative project. Users have to be able to work with and communicate with each other while following our policies, and especially without breaking rule #1. By passive-aggressively sniping at other users and refusing to take feedback well, you are not currently showing that you can be a productive member of this wiki.
Responding to two appeals from the last page that were missed.
~Crazy Luigi That's good. I don't think I went over Edit warring throughly with you the last time you were because I was still inexperienced when it came to handling EB responses.
Now that that's out of the way, let's address the indentation issues.
- Pokémon
- Pokémon Sword and Shield: Example 1
- Pokémon Scarlet and Violet:
- Example 1
- Example 2
- Example 3
As a test, can you tell us that's what's wrong with the indentation of these two examples from Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of the New World? Feel free to use Example Indentation in Trope Lists as a reference. Also, you don't need to be familiar with the work in order to able to fix bad example indentation.
- And I Must Scream:
- Everyone in the party that still has a Derris Emblem in the final dungeon experiences a temporary condition that they describe as this.
- The bad ending of the game will result in this for Emil/Ratatosk as he traps himself in his core form to seal the Ginugagap forever.
- And considering the Less-Bad Ending has him commit Seppuku after unintentionally killing Lloyd and Marta...
- Snow Means Love: Features a return to this from the first game, when Lloyd joins you at the very end of the game, although it's optional. Moreover, the scenes themselves are optional (and only one can be chosen) and can very well be missed. If you go to Iselia after Lloyd joins, he and Emil will talk about his journey to collect the Exspheres. At this point, you can pick the ally that accompanied him on that journey after the previous game. Lloyd and Emil will talk about that person for a bit. Then, after going to Flanoir, an angry townsperson attacks Lloyd, blaming him for the death of his sister. Feeling bad about everything that’s going on, Lloyd goes off to the balcony where the previous game’s Flanoir scenes took place. Go there, and he has a conversation with the party member picked back in Iselia.
- In Raine and Presea’s respective scenes, Lloyd is confirmed to already have gotten together with the respective girl prior to the game.
- In Sheena’s scene, Lloyd’s relationship status with her is left somewhat ambiguous. It’s not explicitly stated whether or not they’re already together, but it is somewhat implied they are.
- Colette’s scene is fairly strongly implied to itself be the moment she and Lloyd get together. Emil outright tells Lloyd about Colette’s feelings for him, and Lloyd gets rather flustered, hinting that he may have had a Love Epiphany at some point between the end of the original and this game, but hadn’t yet admitted his feelings. Emil encourages him to do so, and later, in the Flanoir portion, he does.
- This leaves Colette as the only person Lloyd says “I love you” to.
~Tropers/nintendofanboy77 You have been suspended for edit warring on AwesomeMusic.Kirby over the name of the "Gourmet Race" track. While you are correct that the wiki prefers to use localized English titles when possible, that doesn't excuse you for edit warring. I would like you to read over Edit War and answer these questions in your own words.
- What is an edit war?
- What can you do to avoid getting into an edit war?
Edited by MacronNotes on Jun 19th 2022 at 2:40:08 PM
Macron's notesI feel the best way I can describe "edit warring" is to illustrate the basic concept as such:
One person comes along and notices something that they think should be changed. So they do just that. And then someone else comes along, notices the change, and decides (for one reason or another) to undo that change. The first person comes back, notices that their edit was reverted and tries to reinstate it again. Rinse and repeat.
In a perfect world, the situation dies out fast and not much really happens after that. Most of the time, however, the back-and-forth reversion can escalate very quickly and go on for quite some time until a higher-up gets involved. Sometimes, the page where the war wages on might be locked temporarily to dissuade such a stunt or, in the most egregious of situations, that lock might as well be permanent.
Generally speaking, it would be ideal to not get involved with such a situation in the first place, though if someone DOES get involved, then the best way to reduce the tension is to talk about it in a civilized manner, instead of back-and-forth edit reversions. On TV Tropes, this can be done in one of these situations:
1) The given trope's Discussion page (as long as the initial edit summary upon page creation gives out proper notice)
2) Sending a private message to the affected troper someone disagrees with (works best if there's only one other user involved with the edit warring)
3) The "Ask the Tropers" page
4) Posting on the forums
If all else fails (i.e., a troper doesn't want to co-operate and keeps edit warring non-stop), the "Report Page" button exists to directly let the staff know about the escalating situation.
The only time exceptions apply is in regards to creating, editing or deleting articles in compliance with the other wiki policies (e.g. formatting corrections, grammatical fixes, etc.).
I was previously asked to return here in about a month to further discuss my reasons for edit suspension, and in the meantime I have looked over some administrivia pages (most notably The Content Policy and the 5P Circuit, No Lewdness, No Prudishness, and Rule of Cautious Editing Judgement) so that I understand how to avoid crossing lines I shouldn't cross again.
Looking back on it, I completely understand why my actions were inappropriate. Statements like that carry way too many disturbing implications that I don't agree with, and do not belong on this site - I shouldn't have said that in the first place, and I'm very sorry that I did. I won't say anything like that again, and I'll also be sure to be more mindful of what I write before posting it.
I would like to make up for my actions. Do I have permission to write a new Playing With page for that trope? (If not, I understand, but I would like to ask before I do this.) If so, I'll keep things far less squicky this time. In particular, I'll make the exaggerated example something such as "a film features children, but is exclusively for mature audiences" rather than getting into any specific details.
Please let me know if there is anything else I should do.
Cold turkey's getting stale. Tonight I'm eating crow.Hello,
It has been about eight months since I lost my TLP priveliges, and I now would like to have them back as soon as possible. One of the moderators told me earlier that my suspension ought to stay in place until 22 February...a date that is now long in the past, hence the main reason for this unsuspension request. I also promise never again to engage in rogue launching, the kind of thing that led to the previous ban.
Edited by TimonAndPumbaa623 on Jun 18th 2022 at 7:31:35 AM
@Synchronicity: Now I see this is personal, because I have more than proven myself as productive time and time again. Fixing projects left undone and doing work others can't be bothered to do, but passively aggressively snarking aplenty. Seen this on many trope draft forums, which you've done nothing about. If you want to chide someone for Breaking Rule #1, I can firmly say you have many users left on your list to attend to. So I recommend you hop to it and lead by example.
Edited by Omnicron13 on Jun 18th 2022 at 12:45:58 PM
~Omnicron 13 - Besides the rudeness (that you are continuing to display on this thread), you also improperly launched Staredown Faceoff's (draft
) without an announcement after immediately bumping the draft. I already told you here
when I unlaunched Grooming the Enemy that launching a draft after bumping is bad form but yet a week later you did the same thing without even setting a launch date.
Since you have repeatedly shown that you don't respect our rules, I'll revoke the rest of your privileges with a bounce.
Edited by MacronNotes on Nov 10th 2022 at 9:11:22 AM
Macron's notes~nintendofanboy77 That's good. I'll release your suspension. As a reminder, make sure you utilize our discussion venues and establish an agreement/consensus before you put your edit back (which would be edit warring).
~punkcrow Welcome back. While it's good that you know why your actions were wrong, we don't think Mature Work, Child Protagonists can be played with as an adult show either has child protagonists or it doesn't. Also, given the circumstances, it's best to just abandon the idea of recreating the Playing With for MWCP altogether.
As this your second Playing With related suspension, another suspension for similar issues might land you a permanent edit ban. Is that clear?
~Timon And Pumbaa 623: I know that you are told that you would be released on February 22nd but I still think it's important that we go through the TLP Guidelines with you. Can you answer these questions for us in your own words? 1. Why is rogue launching considered bad TLP etiquette? 2. What are the launch requirements for TLP drafts?
Edited by MacronNotes on Jun 19th 2022 at 10:46:01 AM
Macron's notesAh, I think I'm starting to get what proper indentation is supposed to be like. For both the Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of the New World examples you provided, both And I Must Scream and Snow Means Love have examples of bad third bullet point adaptations at hand there. Both examples are better left as being included as expansions for the respective second bullet points involved instead of being separate third bullet points at hand. Case in point... (Italics are used for the correct way of placing the incorrect results from earlier on.)
- And I Must Scream:
- The bad ending of the game will result in this for Emil/Ratatosk as he traps himself in his core form to seal the Ginugagap forever. And considering the Less-Bad Ending has him commit Seppuku after unintentionally killing Lloyd and Marta...
And another case in point...
- Snow Means Love: Features a return to this from the first game, when Lloyd joins you at the very end of the game, although it's optional. Moreover, the scenes themselves are optional (and only one can be chosen) and can very well be missed. If you go to Iselia after Lloyd joins, he and Emil will talk about his journey to collect the Exspheres. At this point, you can pick the ally that accompanied him on that journey after the previous game. Lloyd and Emil will talk about that person for a bit. Then, after going to Flanoir, an angry townsperson attacks Lloyd, blaming him for the death of his sister. Feeling bad about everything that's going on, Lloyd goes off to the balcony where the previous game's Flanoir scenes took place. Go there, and he has a conversation with the party member picked back in Iselia.
- Colette's scene is fairly strongly implied to itself be the moment she and Lloyd get together. Emil outright tells Lloyd about Colette's feelings for him, and Lloyd gets rather flustered, hinting that he may have had a Love Epiphany at some point between the end of the original and this game, but hadn't yet admitted his feelings. Emil encourages him to do so, and later, in the Flanoir portion, he does. This leaves Colette as the only person Lloyd says "I love you" to.
Those, I believe, are the more proper examples on where to properly go and indent things that should be in their proper indentation over being an unnecessary discussion point.
P.S., MacronNotes, I was actually also going to mention the first time I got suspended that I think it'd be useful to have a proper PM place of sorts to properly discuss things that I have those problems with things like indentation and potential edit wars that I might be inadvertently doing. Believe me, the last thing I want to do is break any rules and cause unnecessary trouble on this website's end. However, by the time I was up to try and mention that the first time I was unsuspended, I couldn't respond in this thread properly to make my point there. But now that I've had the chance to say that in a postscript bit, maybe that could be considered for one-on-one discussions as a potential point to help out in case I get lost with things once again for some odd reason? Just food for thought on that regard.
It has been three weeks since I was suspended, when will I be allowed to edit again?
MacronNotes: Rogue launching constitutes theft, hence why engaging in it always gets users suspended instantly. Also, every draft must meet the following criteria before launch:
1) It needs to have been started at least 72 hours ago;
2) It must include a comprehensive description;
3) It needs five or more hats than bombs;
4) It needs 10 or more examples plus 12 or more wicks;
5) All discussion regarding the draft needs to have concluded; and
6) One must not only vow to wait one day or more before launching, but make no significant changes to the draft within that timeframe.
Edited by TimonAndPumbaa623 on Jun 18th 2022 at 7:10:09 AM

I just found out I’ve been suspended. I would like to know what I’ve done please.
Edited by kataangluvr on Jun 16th 2022 at 3:10:16 AM