This is the thread we use to talk things over with people who have received a suspension notice. A lot of the time the notice goes out just so we can explain how seriously we take certain things, not because we want the person to feel bad and go away.
If you're suspended, give What to Do If You Are Suspended a read, then post here to begin your appeal. We try to respond to appeals in order via batch posts every few days. If a moderator has responded to your appeal, you will receive a notification in your private messages, even if you're suspended from PMs.
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Don'ts
- Don't be rude. Rule 1 applies here, too.
- Don't try to negotiate your suspension outside of this thread, such as by sending Private Messages to moderators or posting elsewhere. Such activity may be thumped or otherwise removed, and may warrant an additional suspension block if it keeps happening. All communications have to take place within this thread.
- Don't respond to other suspended users. This is a place for you to discuss your suspension, not others'.
- Don't post multiple times about your appeal if it hasn't been a few days since your last reply from us, since it makes it more difficult to compose responses. If you've posted, we're likely looking at it, and kindly request you to be more patient.
- Don't make another account to try and get around your suspension. This is called ban evasion and will get you bounced. (Again, read What to Do If You Are Suspended if you don't know what these words mean.)
Edited by Synchronicity on Jul 15th 2023 at 11:35:01 AM
Hi. I've been suspended and I didn't receive any explanation. I'd like a second chance if possible, because I really like this website (even though I spend a LOT of time on it to understand the world of fiction).
Wether you let me edit again or not, I wish I knew what I did wrong, so in case I could still be Alvyfoster, I wouldn't do the same mistakes again. Thank you very much.
Lost in Space
@Alvy Foster: I suspended you for a few reasons. First, I've noted that you have some issues with proper writing. As one example, let's look at this thing you added to Funny.Little Miss Sunshine:
- Right after the doctor sollenly tells the familly the grandfather is dead, and calls "LINDAAA"!
There are two misspelled words here, the sentence as a whole is a fragment, and it makes no sense anyway. We require a decent standard of English if you're going to edit the wiki. The good news is that we have a thread where you can get help with your edits to make sure they're written properly.
Second, I noticed a mild tendency to natter and add incorrect sub-bullets.
Third, and most important, you added an example of Complete Monster to YMMV.A Bugs Life that was removed because it does not qualify for the trope, despite a comment to that effect in the article source. That is unacceptable. We will not stand for deliberate defiance of comments. There is a thread to discuss Complete Monster entries, and we've disqualified Hopper for failing to be evil enough.
edited 9th Feb '13 12:36:04 PM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Hi, I've been suspended without explanation. What was the reason for this? I would like to continue editing. It looks like I might have posted something that was removed, but I must comment that as a novice, I am still muddled about how the process works about refinement if someone says a trope is not yet ready. I received an automated message when I posted the original version of this message that provided lots of helpful tips. I know ignorance is no defence, but apologies for not following the procedures.
However, I was wondering if there is any scope to simplify the process. For instance, could people proposing new tropes be given full access to the Wiki code entry page used to create pages, with the "pre-published" pages visible only to people logged in, so that they can gradually build up the page in its finished form (rather than just plain text)? I make this suggestion, as sometimes it is expedient to add to pages bit by bit (until they reach critical mass) as the author thinks of new things to add to them (this was certainly the case with my creation). Could there be something along the lines of Wikipedia's thumbnail system, where pages get marked as thumbnails and either the original author or the Wiki community joins together constructively to gradually build up the content until the thumbnail status can be removed?
edited 9th Feb '13 2:33:56 PM by MrNobody
King of Dinosaurs (?)
Hello, I've been suspended for something, most likely me having to go back and fix my edits two or three times. If I had to guess.
This is no time to bemoaning your fate. After all, "fate" is not the culprit here. That honor goes to your stubborn sense of self-worth.
Mr Nobody: In order to make a new trope, you should first:
- Verify that the trope does not already exist. This is normally done via the Lost And Found.
- Use the YKTTW to create and get feedback on the trope.
- Make sure that you have a good solid name that multiple tropers agree on being clear concise and witty.
- Make sure that you have a good description of what the trope is.
- Make sure you have a wide variety of well fleshed out examples.
- Make sure that the trope page uses the correct formatting.
Lost in Space
@MrNobody: There are a couple of things going on here. First, we have plenty of articles explaining how YKTTW works: YKTTW Guidelines is linked from the main page and most of the other pages. You may not have read it, but you most certainly should have seen it.
Second, the YKTTW format is a preview of the way your article will look. You can also preview it when you are editing an actual article. The editing screen is in plain text but there are plenty of ways to see what your article will look like before posting it. You can also view other articles for examples. The only markup elements that YKTTW doesn't support are embedded images and folders.
New tropers have no business launching new tropes. I've said this before and I'll say it again. Take some time to learn how things work before jumping in feet first.
@FrozenWolf: You have some truly awful spelling. What the heck is this?
We may lift your suspension, but only on the condition that you use this thread to get help with your edits before you make them on the wiki.
Please also read Zero Context Example. All examples need explanations.
edited 9th Feb '13 3:47:22 PM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
King of Dinosaurs (?)
Okay, Understood.
edited 9th Feb '13 3:58:14 PM by FrozenWolf
This is no time to bemoaning your fate. After all, "fate" is not the culprit here. That honor goes to your stubborn sense of self-worth.
Lost in Space
I'll lift your suspension, Frozen Wolf, but if you continue to make bad edits, you won't get another chance. Please use the thread I linked.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Without wanting to speak out of turn, I find your aggressive response to me disproportionate, particularly in light of the text above this box that reads "The wiki is only interested in hosting a friendly, civil forum". Clearly, moderators don't always abide by this rule. I do not think speaking to someone as if they are worse than Hitler (though I know that in the computing world, many people say things they wouldn't say in real life when they have the protection of the anonymity of a computer screen) on account of their lack of understanding of this etiquette (on account of being new) is within the bounds of common courtesy.
I know why I was suspended from the Trope Repair Shop. If I'm unsuspended I'll try to read the trope description or ask Trope Talk before posting new TRS threads.
However, putting my opinions on other matters to one side, I apologise for my failure to abide by the etiquette of this Wiki and accept that ignorance is no defence and promise to familiarise myself better with the etiquette of this Wiki, as well as making a concerted effort to my abide by it in future.
Lost in Space
@Mr Nobody: I think you have a vastly inflated sense of what constitutes an antagonistic response, especially given that you started by accusing us of failing to document the wiki properly and then made demands that we fix stuff that you clearly didn't even look at. And you had the nerve to pull a Godwin. Then you do a 180 and apologize meekly and ask to be restored.
You can't have it both ways. Do you want to fight us or work with us? The choice is yours.
@Lophotrochozoa: You have a very poor grasp of tropes and trope distinctions. I think you need to stay out of the workshop forums for a while.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
There is no inconsistency in my response. I don't retract my statement that the response I received was disproportionate, but I maintain my apology for my failure to understand and act in accordance with the etiquette of this Wiki. In the same way as I apply a certain amount of leeway to otherwise well-meaning foreigners who might commit a faux-pas in my homeland through ignorance, I hope that you will forgive me and accept my apology for my ignorance-driven failure to act in accordance with the etiquette of this Wiki. Though I maintain my view that everyone should maintain a normal amount of common courtesy, even when one's sensibilities have been offended, in answer to your direct question, yes, I would like to work with you. I would be delighted to co-operate with you and others involved in this Wiki in future.
I perfectly understand. This is why I’d like to submit to your conditions. -The reason I sometimes misspell is that English is not my maternal language, but I can avoid this problem by working my edits on Microsoft Word (which corrects my orthography) before posting them (and be more careful with the * and **). -Before adding examples of a trope, I will go more often to the discussion pages. -I apologize for my mistake on the YMMV page. I thought we had the right to add the Complete Monster entry there, because I noticed that many YMMV pages had Monsters who were not in the Complete Monster page. For example, in the Far Cry 3 YMMV entry, many CM are shown, but none of them are on the Video Game/Monster page. I promise to only suggest on discussion pages CM who fit all characteristics. If you still won’t let me come back, no matter. I still like this website and get a lot of inspiration from it.
I'm very sorry for what I did, but I really want to edit again, because I may be 15 years old, but for someone my age, I'm know a lot about blockbusters, not just animated films.
May I want my permission back to edit again? I promise to make this website a better place to read and learn online. ![[tup]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Thumbs_up_emoticon_3268.png "[thumb up]"){kind=small}
Lost in Space
@Alvy Foster: The condition for releasing your suspension is that you must, without exception, use the Help with English thread to get your edits proofread before making them. You must do this until we are satisfied that your writing skills are up to our standard. If we find you making edits without doing this, you will be permanently banned from editing the wiki. Understood?
@Voltlds: There are two problems here. First, you Edit Warred an invalid Five-Man Band example on Despicable Me. That is why I suspended you initially. However, rather than coming here to discuss it, you started messing around with the page type tool, making a lot of work for people to fix your mess. I cannot see that as anything other than deliberate defiance of our authority.
Your behavior doesn't speak to me of someone who has any interest in being a responsible troper. Your age is not important here; what is important is that you show an ability to obey the rules. If you think that I sound annoyed, it's because I am.
I'm going to talk over your case with the mods, but I'm going to recommend that you post a detailed explanation of your behavior and how you plan to change your ways.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Lost in Space
@Voltlds: Or, you could just make a new account to ban evade, in which case we'll whack it down and this one as well. Bye now.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
I've been suspended, apparently because of my attitude dealing with MLP: FIM DMO Ss and Wallbangers. Most of them I disagree with, some I do agree with, and I've been going out of my way just to try to prove these people wrong. Being that I am a devoted brony, I somehow felt the need to defend such an exceptionally superb show, despite its flaws. But if it makes any of you tropers feel better, I'll take my frustration with them either outside this site or just in the discussion forums, contesting entries for the latter. Whenever you wanna lift this suspension is fine by me.
Lost in Space
We have rules for Wall Banger and Dethroning Moment of Suck: specifically, examples may only be contested for factual inaccuracy (or violating other rules, like one DMOS per work per troper), not because you disagree.
The problem we have with you is that you went beyond disagreeing; you deleted other people's entries and then, not getting your way there, started cutlisting the articles. That is abusive and will not be tolerated. You were also very rude and argumentative in discussion pages.
The combination of these factors makes us very reluctant to lift your suspension after any length of time. We don't suspend to punish; we suspend because we need to stop misbehavior. Frankly, your expressed attitude does not reassure me that you won't start doing it all over again should we let you edit the wiki.
Edit: Redacted unnecessary personal note.
edited 12th Feb '13 10:58:55 AM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
@Fighteer I understand what you're saying, and I'm really sorry for causing so much trouble. I just hope that those who have posted in the MLP: FIM DMOS and Wallbanger pages are willing to accept my views and not put me or my views down so harshly. Somehow, I just feel that their views are not exactly 100% accurate, and if there's anything I can do to improve that, I'm willing to do so. But then again, I'm still entitled to my opinion just as they're entitled to theirs. I really would like to get along with them and you as well, even if I do have to contest entries. If I sound a little selfish, I apologize for that as well.
Lost in Space
You may go to Sugar Wiki and Gush About Shows You Like to your heart's content. You do not, however, get to engage people in Darth Wiki in a debate about whether they are allowed to dislike things.
You do sound a bit selfish. Their opinions do not require contesting. They are doing what they are permitted to do in the area of the wiki reserved for such things. You must accept that feelings and opinions differ and permit them to differ, or we will not restore your editing rights.
edited 12th Feb '13 9:38:35 AM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
I am willing to accept that, but I do have a couple of curious questions:
1. Are Sugar Wiki and Gushing About Shows You Like free for those who wish to defend their favorite shows or even question DMOS and Wallbanger entries?
2. In Darth Wiki, how can I contest a DMOS or Wallbanger entry in discussions without being rude or argumentative?
Again, I'm just curious, and I do not wish to offend.
edited 12th Feb '13 9:57:05 AM by taylorkerekes
Lost in Space
1. If you debate DMOS or Wall Banger in Gushing, you are in violation of the rules.
2. You may contest Wall Banger or DMOS entries only on the facts. Such as if they say that [Character A] did [Action Y], but it was actually [Character B]. You may not challenge their opinions.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
@Ichigo Montoya: After a full conference, we have elected not to restore your editing privileges.
It's not because of this particular thing, but because our history of dealing with you indicates that you view yourself as only being answerable to the wiki consensus after being suspended, not before. You also give such minimal responses that we are unable to tell if you really mean that apology or if you're just telling us what you think we want to hear.
To make an exception for you in this regard is to break our own rules, which is that we do not give fourth chances, ever.
You may, of course, appeal this ban to Fast Eddie, and we are not as of now removing your privileges to the forums or other areas of the site.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"