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Edited by GastonRabbit on Apr 30th 2025 at 11:56:51 AM

Krystoff Since: Jun, 2012
#2501: Jan 20th 2013 at 2:28:22 PM

No, I changed my mind. I want to stay in this wiki. I will just post in different forums. By the way, what I wanted to edit is my user page, as I already said. I want to mention the stuff that I enjoy. Is it possible for me to list them on this page, and one of the mods will paste it on my user page?

kevelek Since: Apr, 2012
#2502: Jan 20th 2013 at 2:42:40 PM

I'm not even sure why; I haven't even visited the site in any real capacity since about August. All I want to do is improve the articles here.

Deadbeatloser22 MOD from Disappeared by Space Magic (Great Old One) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
#2503: Jan 20th 2013 at 2:48:17 PM

And yet you managed to get banned in September.

"Yup. That tasted purple."
kevelek Since: Apr, 2012
#2504: Jan 20th 2013 at 2:56:00 PM

Not sure if there's a proper edit history here, but I checked all pages I edited and if I did do one after August, it was likely just a simple typo fix, as I made a specific decision to avoid the previous pages for reasons of my own stress levels. I keep getting a notification I have a PM, but am apparently not allowed to read it.

Fighteer MOD Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#2505: Jan 20th 2013 at 4:52:07 PM

Kevelek,

You were suspended after engaging in a particularly petty and spiteful fight on Headscratchers.Avatar RDA. What's more interesting is that your account creation date coincides with the suspension of another troper who uniquely shares IP addresses with you. We don't believe in coincidences.

So, we have violation of the "don't be a dick" rule, plus likely ban evasion. Got anything to say?

edited 20th Jan '13 4:52:14 PM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Marr965 Insane from Teh intarwerbs Since: Oct, 2009
Insane
#2506: Jan 20th 2013 at 11:53:53 PM

Having previously asked why my privileges were suspended and saying I would take a break, please may I have my privileges reinstated?

I used to be normal, but then my family happened to me.
Fighteer MOD Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#2507: Jan 21st 2013 at 7:54:26 AM

@Marr965: The issue that got you suspended was blanking sections of an article, apparently caused by a browser glitch on your end. We aren't interested in punishing you; we just want to be assured that it won't happen again. If it does, we won't give you another chance. Understood?

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Marr965 Insane from Teh intarwerbs Since: Oct, 2009
Insane
#2508: Jan 21st 2013 at 8:37:02 AM

Definitely. I'll accept that.

I used to be normal, but then my family happened to me.
elwoz Since: Nov, 2010
#2509: Jan 21st 2013 at 8:37:33 AM

I have been suspended. Was this for mass-discarding most of my YKTTW backlog last week? I already apologized for that over in Ask The Tropers. If it was something else I would like to know what it was so I can avoid doing it in the future.

Fighteer MOD Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#2510: Jan 21st 2013 at 8:44:52 AM

@Marr: Okay, suspension lifted.

@elwoz: What I see here is that you took it upon yourself to rename The High Queen without asking anyone first. We don't do that here. Renames are always discussed in Trope Repair Shop, no exceptions. Your action was considered vandalism and you were suspended for that.

edited 21st Jan '13 8:45:25 AM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Deadbeatloser22 MOD from Disappeared by Space Magic (Great Old One) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
#2511: Jan 21st 2013 at 8:46:36 AM

Fighteer is epic ninja.

edited 21st Jan '13 8:46:49 AM by Deadbeatloser22

"Yup. That tasted purple."
elwoz Since: Nov, 2010
#2512: Jan 21st 2013 at 8:54:02 AM

OK, I won't do that again. I do however want to say that I think requiring *all* renames to go through TRS is a little silly especially considering the serious backlog problem TRS has. There should be some level of "that's obviously a better name" at which people are empowered to just do a rename. (In retrospect, the rename I did probably didn't meet that requirement, though.)

lu127 MOD Paper Master from 異界 Since: Sep, 2011 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#2513: Jan 21st 2013 at 9:00:15 AM

You are under a misunderstanding about the nature of renames. They are not just "think of a better name, make the page, make the redirect and all done." The wicks have to be changed. The rename you did left 500 wikilinks to The High Queen, possibly messing up alphabetization and causing confusion. TRS is required to coordinate effort, let people know there is an impending change and get help in the wick cleaning.

Furthermore, the wiki operates by consensus. Nobody gets to decide "this name is better" by themselves. The wiki is not your personal playground.

edited 18th Oct '13 9:54:26 AM by Madrugada

"If you aren't him, then you apparently got your brain from the same discount retailer, so..." - Fighteer
elwoz Since: Nov, 2010
#2514: Jan 21st 2013 at 9:34:51 AM

This isn't the time or place for a policy argument. I've said I will not unilaterally rename things again.

Fighteer MOD Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#2515: Jan 21st 2013 at 9:36:38 AM

We would like to make sure that tropers follow the rules and policies that have been established. While you're right that this is not the place to debate those policies, we want to be sure that the problem behavior won't recur. As you have promised to follow the rules, then I will release your suspension.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
AviatorFan Since: Jan, 2013
#2516: Jan 21st 2013 at 10:47:12 AM

I spoke to Fast Eddie. Don't know if he and Fighteer correspond, in any case would like to be allowed to edit again. My edit history is readily available for review. If you'd like to see my P Ms just let me know how to make those available to you, if they are not already.

Fighteer MOD Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#2517: Jan 21st 2013 at 11:21:35 AM

@AviatorFan: I didn't suspend you because of example sorting, but because you seem to be overly focused on complaining about characters from Boardwalk Empire and The Newsroom, to the point of edit warring over them. Your posts on Ask The Tropers were both dismissive and hostile, and I felt that you might need to take a break from editing the wiki for a bit.

I'm inquiring now with Eddie as to what, specifically, he talked with you about.

edited 21st Jan '13 11:21:46 AM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Fighteer MOD Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#2518: Jan 21st 2013 at 12:27:21 PM

Okay, I got an answer. Sort of. You sent Eddie a long explanation of your position, which he copied to me. What I take from this is that you are having some difficulty in separating your opinion about characters from the facts about those characters. Listing Fan Dumb on YMMV.Boardwalk Empire was, frankly, a dumb thing to do. While that trope isn't flagged as Flame Bait — although it certainly should be — we aren't here to take potshots at other fans. That kind of behavior is unacceptable.

You also need to take some time to learn some of the other editing rules, such as Example Indentation, Conversation In The Main Page, and What Goes Where On The Wiki. Oh, and proper example sorting, as discussed in TV Tropes Customs.

Lastly, I really don't like you declaring your intent to ignore the concerns of other tropers about your edits. We work collaboratively here.

edited 18th Oct '13 9:55:05 AM by Madrugada

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Westrim deep in though- ow! from The land of hoodoos Since: Jan, 2001
deep in though- ow!
#2519: Jan 21st 2013 at 4:51:24 PM

On July 14th- 15th last year I found out that I was banned from YKTTW editing and got a response. Now I'm finally coming back to the issue, since I really should get the couple dozen YKTT Ws I had up in the air (still in the air, according to my YKTTW history) launched/ cleaned up/ discussed/ trash binned. If I recall my situation correctly, I found it frustrating that people often responded with just a trope (with the apparent assumption that anyone else could see the similarities, so no explanation war required) or pointed out a problem but offered no solution, that sort of thing. I would overreact and respond unkindly. I'm sure I can moderate my responses now.

On the specific examples Fighteer cited, The War to End All Wars was launched in April 2010, well before a Zero Context Example was anywhere near as ill thought of as they are today. It was that way only because that was what was provided in the YKTTW comments- I can't flesh out what I know nothing about. All the examples are fleshed out just fine now. The Sliding Scale of Godliness turned out to be a big dud because there was a Supers trope that covered the same ground, but no one mentioned it in 30+ comments. It had no examples because I was focused on getting the categories right, and by launching it I hoped that Wiki Magic would fix it. I also planned to clean it up and add in examples comments had mentioned, but I forgot it and several months later it was cutlisted/ I won't forget a launched trope again.

I don't see what was I said that was overly defensive in Magicool. Breaking the Third Wall, yeah, I was getting frustrated with other people being rude, but I shouldn't have been rude and sarcastic in response, and I apologize. I'm not sure what a TRS conversation a year after launch has to do with YKTTW.

edited 23rd Jan '13 12:06:06 AM by Westrim

I rarely visit the forums to avoid the cynicism ooze.
CDRW Since: May, 2016
#2520: Jan 21st 2013 at 5:30:20 PM

I was wondering if it's possible to get my PM restrictions lifted. It has been quite a while since my ban and subsequent re-admission on restricted conditions, and I think I've demonstrated good behavior in that time, as well as the fact that issues with P Ms were not a part of the initial reason why I was banned in the first place.

edited 21st Jan '13 5:31:13 PM by CDRW

Ouroboros Since: Jan, 2001
#2521: Jan 22nd 2013 at 4:01:54 AM
Thumped: This post was thumped by moderation to preserve the dignity of the author.
AviatorFan Since: Jan, 2013
#2522: Jan 22nd 2013 at 4:39:45 PM

To Fighteer. As you said ,the Fan Dumb isn't labled Flame Bait and I thought it was just a trope like any other. The only reason I put that in the YMMV of Boardwalk was to offer a counterpoint to a lot of opinions about some characters on the show. It seems like if everyone is of the same accord as far as opinion that's fine- and seems to cross over into "facts about the character". I can see though why you'd think I was really going hard at one character. I was just trying to put a trope to him and when some of those were deleted I figured I'd used the wrong one so I was trying to find one more applicable. The truth is I don't have a super in-depth knowledge of a majority of the tropes on the site- I really have a good bead on like thirty if I think about it. As far as The Newsroom stuff I'm really sort of baffled by that one. I myself didn't set out to battle anyone I was just responding to someone else who had a different view, a view that I'm not so sure is fact. Warring with another person over the internet is certainly not my bag and honestly if you look at mine and that individual's discourse I feel as if one can see that the emotion is coming from that side, which led me to believe they were the warrior- a hardcore shipper or something, as entertaining a different idea didn't even cross their minds. Sorry but we definitely were talking about something that was open to interpretation, I wasn't arguing that Hannibal Lecture killed people with knife gloves. Hope you checked out my Irony/Hypocrisy thing as that really is a microcosm of what I was dealing with at the time. To be honest I felt as if I were being sort of harrassed. In any case I'm sure this post reads a little like someone who is only interested in right-fighting and being super defensive, but I just like to make myself clear. In any case that's over now, I do have a lot to learn about the site, and one of my edits was definitely conversational I'll admit that. My mistake.

Dragonmaw Since: Sep, 2009
#2523: Jan 22nd 2013 at 9:06:40 PM

Not really urgent, but I presume I was suspended for getting into a lock war over the Isaac Baranoff/Horndog pages.

Somebody (most likely Isaac Baranoff himself) is using the pages to blatantly promote Baranoff's work (not a bad thing) and spread fallacies about other webcomic artists (definitely a bad thing). Rather than outright deleting the articles (every creator has its merit, after all), I was editing the articles to remove information that has no real evidence other than accusations made by Baranoff himself. This got me into an edit war with someone who seems to have a vested interest in saying that Baranoff has lots of imitators. This seems suspicious to me.

I realize TV Tropes is a subjective wiki, but I don't think it's cool for an article to slander other works and other artists. So while I don't really mind whether or not my suspension is lifted, I would at least like if the offending statements were removed from the articles. I'll leave these edits to another troper if my suspension is lifted.

edited 22nd Jan '13 9:14:10 PM by Dragonmaw

Willbyr MOD Hi (Y2K) Relationship Status: With my statistically significant other
Hi
#2524: Jan 22nd 2013 at 9:25:59 PM

[up] I wish that Koo Koo Banana was here along with you, because the Edit Warring over the Isaac Baranoff article is what got you both suspended. The discussions (if any were to be had) about that material should have been handled on the page's discussion page, and we should have been notified about what was happening on the page long before it got to this point, either through Ask The Tropers or a holler.

edited 22nd Jan '13 9:29:08 PM by Willbyr

AngelHalo Since: Nov, 2012
#2525: Jan 22nd 2013 at 9:49:29 PM

Hello. I suspect that I have made some errors that need to be corrected? If so, I would like to know, please.


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