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Cherry_Lover Since: Nov, 2009
#2176: Oct 29th 2010 at 9:11:02 PM

Yeah, Fate is the route where Shirou gets little to no Character Development. In UBW and HF he is a lot better.

As for being a poor judge of character, that is perhaps true, but I think it's more that he always tries to see the good in people, even when it's not there. After all, he is quite obviously aware that Shinji is not a particularly nice guy (in particular, because of what he did to Sakura), and he refuses to ally with him despite them supposedly being friends. He just isn't willing to give up on him, even when he is attempting to murder everyone.

It doesn't help, either, that Shinji wasn't always that bad. Before a certain event happened, he was selfish, but still seemingly a reasonably decent friend to Shirou. Since then, Shirou has gradually become estranged from him (especially after he saw him hitting Sakura), but he still remembers how Shinji used to be, and just thinks that the power of being a master has gone to his head (plus, Rin did tell Shirou that that was the only option for a weak master like him or Shinji).

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#2177: Oct 29th 2010 at 9:28:19 PM

So some friends and I just watched the Unlimited Blade Works movie, and found it thorougly enjoyable. I'm not sure why everyone rags on the movie. I found it to be an excellent comedic parody of some of the more inconsistent elements of the Nasuverse, as well as anime in general. The three of us were laughing through a good portion of the movie, which has to say something about the overall quality. I mean, what good is satire if you can't laugh a little with it?

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Cherry_Lover Since: Nov, 2009
#2178: Oct 30th 2010 at 8:48:18 AM

Erm, a movie that is So Bad, It's Good is still bad....

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neobowman つ ◕_◕ ༽つ HELIX from Unidentified Proxy Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
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#2179: Oct 30th 2010 at 11:04:53 AM

Well I just watched it and as expected, the plot was only barely there. Either way, I enjoyed the fight scenes a lot, which was pretty much what I was expecting. Also, people complain about Gilgamesh in melee, but I always thought that was how it was supposed to happen at the end of UBW.

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#2180: Oct 30th 2010 at 5:36:03 PM

Why?

You did see the CG of the fight to begin with, right?

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#2181: Oct 30th 2010 at 7:18:02 PM

Yeah, I did.

MiyuHimegami Since: Dec, 1969
#2182: Oct 31st 2010 at 3:50:48 AM

Gil in melee was utterly stupid. Even if his arm gets chopped off right as pulls out Ea. It was that stupid.

And again, the Rho Aius scene was badly done. Archer was almost torn to shreds in the VN. Here, he's unharmed, what the frick?

vandro Shop Owner from The little shop that wasn't Since: Jul, 2009
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#2183: Oct 31st 2010 at 6:11:31 PM

Rho Aias against whom exactly?

Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#2184: Oct 31st 2010 at 6:15:56 PM

Archer v Lancer. Archer's arm was supposed to be hanging by a string and that he had narrowly avoided death. Instead, he's perfectly okay.

vandro Shop Owner from The little shop that wasn't Since: Jul, 2009
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#2185: Oct 31st 2010 at 6:16:42 PM

That's the scene I have in my gallery?

Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#2186: Oct 31st 2010 at 6:17:42 PM

The scene where he's blocking it he's unharmed. After the attack is finished, Rho Aius has been nearly obliterated and Archer is seriously fucked up. Movie doesn't show that.

^ Uh huh, that scene. Thrown Gae Bolg hitting Rho Aius.

edited 31st Oct '10 6:18:11 PM by Arha

vandro Shop Owner from The little shop that wasn't Since: Jul, 2009
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#2187: Oct 31st 2010 at 6:20:42 PM

Not Aius, Aias, which itself is a mistranslation of the greek hero's name: Ajax.

Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#2188: Oct 31st 2010 at 6:26:11 PM

I know it's a mistranslation, but I thought I remember it being spelled with a u in the story. Even if it's spelled wrong.

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#2189: Oct 31st 2010 at 11:15:25 PM

Maybe it's spelled Aias and pronounced Aius in Greek. Who knows? Greek can be weird at times.

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PataHikari Since: Jan, 2001
#2190: Nov 1st 2010 at 1:11:30 AM

I get one of the stupidest main characters i've ever, ever seen,

Sorry, despite what Memetic Mutation may say, Shirou isn't stupid. Shirou's actions have a bit more complex meaning then that.

Not only that, but everyone is a completely, absurdly bad judge of character. Shinji is basically the posterboy for Obviously Evil, it's obvious as early as the prologue yet no one catches on until he tries to melt a whole bunch of people.

There is a difference between "slimy scumbag", and "murder". Everybody just thinks Shinji's the former.

And don't even get me started on Shirou's incessant white knight complex..

Well, I can see why you think Shirou's just stupid.

Cna somebody please tell me Fate is just a really bad route and it gets better?

Fate isn't bad. I really think you just failed to get the entire story and should probably just stop reading it. Because you'll never get it anyways.

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#2192: Nov 1st 2010 at 8:22:15 AM

I love Fate route, precisely for the reason most people hate it: idealism to the point of affected idiocy, for certain values of idiocy.

KillerRabbit Just wondering from In the Ning Nang Nong Since: Jan, 2001
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#2193: Nov 1st 2010 at 8:36:54 AM

Fate isn't bad. I really think you just failed to get the entire story and should probably just stop reading it. Because you'll never get it anyways.

Yes, because his disagreement with you obviously means that he is right and you are wrong. And saying that the fellow "failed to get the entire stroy" is missing the point entirely. Part of the reason Fate has so many flaws seen as a stand alone is that it is, really, only a third of a story.

While I didn't mind Fate so much - I tend to find flawed protagonists curious rather than repulsive, even if they are not fantastically written - it could definitely be said that the action scenes and Saber's woobieriffic characterisation are the only real plus points. Although UBW left me feeling a little cold, it is certainly a more well-rounded story, and does a good job of filling in and justifying a lot of the stuff that seems weird about Fate. In particular Shirou is both a lot less stupid and receives a much more through justification for his nature. HF is sort of an all-singing all dancing finale, and in particular features a lot more attention paid to the antagonists of previous arcs.

Be advised, Fate Stay is quite a time commitment, and it has serious, gaping flaws. But taken as a whole, its a great deal more carefully structured and clever than it initially appears to be.

edited 1st Nov '10 8:38:58 AM by KillerRabbit

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#2194: Nov 1st 2010 at 1:40:49 PM

I actually enjoyed the Fate route a lot as well. Shirou's idealism is just really interesting for me, even if he is a bit dim on the intelligence scale.

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#2195: Nov 4th 2010 at 5:58:21 AM

I apologize if this has been mentioned before, but I just kinda realized that, from a certain point of view, the entire CGI Dolphin scene could be interpreted as a one giant seafood-esque metaphor.

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MiyuHimegami Since: Dec, 1969
#2196: Nov 4th 2010 at 6:02:11 AM

I realized that instantly and I was pegging for it to become a meme the way MANA TRANSFER DRAGON did.

Not sure if it did become a meme.

KnightofLsama Since: Sep, 2010
#2197: Nov 4th 2010 at 3:48:29 PM

My comments when watching it with friends was 'As far as visual metaphors for sex goes its far less disturbing than the dragon.'

Five_X Maelstrom Since: Feb, 2010
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#2198: Nov 7th 2010 at 11:09:22 AM

Release 2 of Fate/Hollow Ataraxia is out! Finally; it took them long enough.

Get it here.

edited 7th Nov '10 11:10:09 AM by Five_X

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del_diablo Den harde nordmann from Somewher in mid Norway Since: Sep, 2009
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#2199: Nov 28th 2010 at 8:27:02 AM

Hmmm, a question: Do I have to do the Arcuid route first in Tsukihime before I can do anything else?

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Wicked223 from Death Star in the forest Since: Apr, 2009
#2200: Nov 28th 2010 at 10:28:02 AM

Hey, to anyone who may have been following the F/sn liveblog I had, it's just been archived.

You can't even write racist abuse in excrement on somebody's car without the politically correct brigade jumping down your throat!

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