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doineedaname from Eastern US Since: Nov, 2010
Nouct over the front from an east coast Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: Tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies
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#65452: Jun 27th 2024 at 7:18:40 AM

Happy Tsukihime English release day! smile

darksidevoid Anti-Gnosis Weapon from The Frontiers (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: Robosexual
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#65453: Jun 27th 2024 at 2:11:23 PM

I'll celebrate when my copy actually arrives, on the 1st. tongue But yeah, I'm super-excited for more people getting to experience Tsukihime for the first time!

GM: AGOG S4 & F/WC RP; Co-GM: TABA, SOTR, UUA RP; Sub-GM: TTS RP. I have brought peace, freedom, justice, and security to my new Empire.
Chariot King of Anime Since: Jul, 2014
King of Anime
#65454: Jun 27th 2024 at 10:09:43 PM

Got my copy in the mail today. Only played through Day 2 so far but I fear Hokaku is best girl. Expected to like Akiha the most but I'm not really feeling her so far.

darksidevoid Anti-Gnosis Weapon from The Frontiers (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: Robosexual
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#65455: Jun 28th 2024 at 11:55:10 AM

Do you mean "Kohaku" or "a combo of Kohaku and Hisui"? [lol] Glad you seem to be liking it, though! Is this your first experience with the Tsuki franchise?

Edited by darksidevoid on Jun 28th 2024 at 2:55:36 PM

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Chariot King of Anime Since: Jul, 2014
King of Anime
#65456: Jun 28th 2024 at 9:58:34 PM

I mean Kohaku specifically though I'm still relatively early into the story. And, yeah, this is my first time experiencing Tsukihime and these characters in general. Except Aoko who was in Mahoyo though I knew her from Fate/Extra. And her role here is mostly as a background character anyways.

Edited by Chariot on Jun 28th 2024 at 12:58:47 PM

Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#65457: Jun 28th 2024 at 10:36:38 PM

Mmm Kohaku is my favorite Tsuki heroine as well but unfortunately you don't see her much on the near side routes, though I don't know if that applies to the remake as well.

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#65458: Jun 29th 2024 at 5:48:12 PM

As far as maid-time in the remake, I've only played through the fan TL of Arc's route so far (my official copy hasn't arrived yet), but that's mostly the same as the original VN with some nice additions, so the maids and "sister" don't get as much screentime, as in the original, though IIRC Hisui gets more screentime than Kohaku.

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Chariot King of Anime Since: Jul, 2014
King of Anime
#65459: Jul 1st 2024 at 12:11:52 AM

Just finished the fight against Vlov. That went in a direction I wasn't expecting. I thought for sure choosing to continue to watch the fight instead of calling out to Arcueid would lead to instant death but instead it just kept going and while I did get two gameovers afterwards I did manage to defeat him. I kind of wonder if calling out to Arcueid will lead to a gameover instead but it's a bit too late at night for me to do that now. Maybe tomorrow.

Also can't believe they put a Kamijo(u) Touma looking fucker in here. Real curious to see the Church's roll in this route.

Edited by Chariot on Jul 14th 2024 at 11:29:35 AM

Chariot King of Anime Since: Jul, 2014
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#65460: Jul 6th 2024 at 11:27:36 PM

Sorry for the double post but I'm hoping it's okay since it's been almost a week with no activity.

Anyways, I just finished Arceuid's route. While I do have a number of criticisms, both big and small, I ultimately enjoyed it. At this point I think I liked Mahoyo you more but that is a complete game whereas this was only half a game at best. Mostly because I liked Soujyuro and Aoko more as characters than Shiki and Arceuid. Points where it's due though, Tsukihime isn't as slow. Yes both games have moments of downtime and tend to move at a slow pace, but I feel like it didn't take Tsukihime as long to get to the meat of things.

As far as Arceuid's route goes specifically, I do want to go over my cirtiques a bit.

    Critiques 
  • The big one is that the romance...kind of comes out of nowhere. Like, yes, we know Shiki finds Arc attractive from the start and Day 10 is dedicated to them going on a date but the romance doesn't really feel organic. Which makes it hard to buy into Shiki being depressed about her leaving him twice. Speaking of which, the fact that Arc up and left twice really takes away from her ending I feel and the fact that she does it again makes it feel like she didn't even grow as a character.
  • You know how I praised the pacing earlier? While I definitely appreciate it getting to the action faster it's still slow. There were multiple instances where I thought I'd be done with a Day but then it just kept going. Mahoyo also had that issue but it just feels worse here? Hopefully it's just Arc's route being the weakest but I kind of have my douts.
  • Shiki's...not very likable. Like I don't completely hate him but the act that he murder's Arc, has a bad ending where he rapes/assualts her and murders her again, and in the alternate scenario to the latter he's easily forgiven for attacking her and she handwaves it as being her own fault doesn't do him any favors. Epecially that last bit since, while they do pay some lip service towards him being in the wrong, the game doesn't really feel like it's actually acknowledging him as being in the wrong. Also the game as a whole just likes to pretend that he's developed by the end but I feel like he barely grew at all. Really hoping Ciel's route is better since Arc's route is supposed to be the weakest.
  • The plot, once Vlov is defeated, kind of sucks. Days 5-11 basically have no antagonistic force (No Noel doesn't count. You only have two brief fights with her and neither are interesting. and with the exception of Day 10 really feel like they just exist to pad things out for the most part in hindsight. And while the hints at Shiki's past are intriguing they also mostly get resolved on Days 10 and 12. Or at least it feels that way. Roa as an antagonist is also boring and after building up to him the whole route the fight against him is also boring for the most part.

As far as the positives go there's not much to say that isn't kind of obvious. Loved the artwork, music, and voicework. Loved Arc as a character for the most part. Found the hint's at Shiki's past interesting. As much as I can criticize the route, I can't say I disliked it.

Current rankings of the love interest from best to worst, as of the ending to Arc's route:

    Love Interest Ranking 
  • Arc: She has the most focus so obviously she's the one we get to know the most. Love her design, especially the dress she briefly wore during the Vlov fight, even if it's not my favorite. Her banter with Shiki is fun to read. I expect her to drop in my rankings once the Far Side remake it out though.
  • Kohaku: The only reason she isn't in first is that we don't see enough of her. But I love what we do get of her. Very supportive of Shiki and very freindly. Easily the most likable of all of the girls. I expect to like her even more once we eventually get the Far Side routes.
  • Akiha: I didn't like her much at first but her talk with Shiki on Day 12 completely changed my opinion on her and made me soften towards her. She also has my favorite design out of all of the girls. Looking forward to her arc whenever Red Garden drops, though I'm looking forward to Kohaku's more.
  • Hisui: Like her sister we didn't see a lot of her but she seems nice enough. Seems very supportive in her own way. Her route may or may not push her into the Top 3 alongside her sister and, potentially, Akiha. For now though, 4th isn't too bad.
  • Ciel: I don't like her design (I don't find her particulaly atrractie/cute) and up until the end of Day 12 she's kind of boring. Doesn't really help that she's not really around though I suspect that's also partially my own fault since I know some choices allow you to interact with her more. Her route might be able to save her.
  • Sacchin: She's cute but she's literally not around. Are we even actually getting a route for her? I know it's a meme in the community that we are(n't). Last until Ciel's route or Red Garden saves her. The only reason Ciel isn't dead last.

I'll probably update the rankings some after Ciel's route. Won't be touching Ciel's route right away though. Going to take a short break.

Edited by Chariot on Jul 21st 2024 at 2:12:26 PM

Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
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#65461: Jul 7th 2024 at 1:02:32 PM

I must play the remake one of these days. Should have more free time now, so this summer might be a good time.

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Zabilac Since: Jul, 2012
#65464: Jul 13th 2024 at 6:42:43 PM

I read the Case Files about the gold and silver princesses, and I’m still a little confused. How did the first gold princess die? Lord Byron accidentally killed her somehow? Or she just up-and-dropped dead and he discovered her body? I feel that part was a little unclear.

Chariot King of Anime Since: Jul, 2014
King of Anime
#65465: Jul 14th 2024 at 8:47:20 PM

Finished Ciel's version of the Vlov fight. I gotta say, Arcueid's route handled that much better. Sure we got to learn more about Vlov here but that fight was more exciting. For one thing Shiki actually got the kill in that one whereas here Ciel had the final blow. Not to mention there was more player involvement. I guess since we've already fought Vlov they might've just wanted to rush it but it was pretty disappointing.

That being said, initial thought one the route: Arcueid is a lot less likable when she's not the love interest. I kind of accidentally spoiled myself that she's an antagonist in Ciel's route while trying to figure out what I needed to do to unlock the route but she's lacking all the charm she had in her own route. She comes across as kind of a bitch even if her saving Shiki during the Vlov fight does show that she's still capable of caring.

Ciel herself I'm still not liking all the much. Like, yeah, it's nice that she cares about Shiki and in replaying the first few days to unlock her route she did show a goofier side but she's also just kind of dull? I get that they might've decided to make her serious with a goofy side as a foil to Arcueid's goofy with a serious side (At least from her route.) but I'll admit it isn't working for me.

...I still love Noel though. Even knowing that she's an antagonist here doesn't spoil that for me. Is she annoying and pathetic? Yeah, a little. Still, she's fun to watch and I'm aboslutely in love. Sensei route when? I love that she has an increased presence already and I look forward to seeing a lot more of her.

Edited by Chariot on Jul 14th 2024 at 11:47:37 AM

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Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#65467: Jul 19th 2024 at 7:17:41 AM

Who do you expect beyond Rin and Saber?

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#65468: Jul 19th 2024 at 7:19:22 AM

I honestly expect Archer, Artoria, and Gilgamesh.

Nouct over the front from an east coast Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: Tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies
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#65469: Jul 19th 2024 at 7:35:39 AM

Based on the tastes of David Jiang, Artoria and EMIYA are guaranteed, Cu, Rin, Shirou, Ilya, and Gil can fight each other for the last slot

Chariot King of Anime Since: Jul, 2014
King of Anime
#65471: Jul 19th 2024 at 8:41:07 PM

Let's be honest. Assuming four characters we'll likely get Shirou, Saber, Rin, and Sakura since they're the four main characters/that group consist of the MC and his love interests.

Edited by Chariot on Jul 19th 2024 at 11:41:44 AM

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Craving for fish
#65472: Jul 19th 2024 at 10:42:13 PM

If they wanted to use Sakura, they would've made the collab be about Heaven's Feel movies.

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Trainbarrel The Story Supporter from The Star Ocean Since: Jun, 2023 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
The Story Supporter
#65473: Jul 19th 2024 at 10:44:38 PM

"Please let it be Medea".

Fingers crossed.

UBW is the route she got the most screen-time and story-presence after all.

Edited by Trainbarrel on Jul 19th 2024 at 7:44:52 PM

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Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers from Far Far Away (On A Trope Odyssey) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
King of Burgers
#65474: Jul 20th 2024 at 10:27:38 AM

Who do you expect beyond Rin and Saber?

Gilgamesh?

Nouct over the front from an east coast Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: Tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies
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#65475: Jul 21st 2024 at 8:03:11 AM

Servant lineup for Extra Record is unchanged, more info comes out on August 4


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