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Ayumi-chan 3rd happiest man in Connecticut from Iacon City (Experienced Trainee) Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
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#65426: May 12th 2024 at 9:18:14 PM

[up][up] Bumping my question.

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Nouct over the front from an east coast Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: Tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies
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#65427: Jun 16th 2024 at 6:37:58 PM

Final DLC for Samurai Remnant is Bailong and the Crimson Demon, featuring Rider Zhao Yun.

asterism from the place I'm at Since: Apr, 2011 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
EpicBleye drunk bunny from her bed being very eepy Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
drunk bunny
#65429: Jun 16th 2024 at 7:01:10 PM

.....so no playable tamamo aria........

..........why even live..............

"There's not a girl alive who wouldn't be happy being called cute." ~Tamamo-no-Mae
Trainbarrel The Story Supporter from The Star Ocean Since: Jun, 2023 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
The Story Supporter
#65430: Jun 16th 2024 at 7:06:50 PM

Perhaps the playable version will be the grown-up version of her, the one with an actual NP to her name and can pull out that giant sword out from the sheath to fight with? Yet acts exactly the same as when she was smaller.

In a different timeline/setting?

Edited by Trainbarrel on Jun 16th 2024 at 4:14:05 PM

"If there's problems, there's simple solutions."
Mami Since: Oct, 2017 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
#65431: Jun 18th 2024 at 12:46:15 PM

Sounds like cope

I absolutely cannot help but adore handsome 2D boys
TPPR10 Craving for fish from up north Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Craving for fish
#65432: Jun 19th 2024 at 11:33:23 AM

Trailer for Bailong and the Crimson Demon.

The bird woman monster is Kishimojin AKA Hariti, one of the Twenty-Four Protective Deities, the protector of children and the punisher of bad parents.

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TPPR10 Craving for fish from up north Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Craving for fish
#65433: Jun 19th 2024 at 4:15:56 PM

Bit more info about the DLC story.

The plot starts with a courtesan who gets thrown out of the brothels for having a child. Stricken by grief of losing her child, she ends up getting possessed by a bird demon (Ubume?) spawned by a ritual who then goes around and feeding on the souls of lost children.

Another being that spawned from the ritual was an incomplete summon of Kishimojin. As she is a Divine Spirit with no host body, she is left as a spirit that gets devoured by the bird demon. Of course given that Kishimojin is a god, it ends with the two spirits merging into one another. Kishimojin manifests as a Berserker-class Servant who wants to nurture children and keep them save by any means necessary. Even if it means assimilating them into her body.

The way Zhao Yun ties into this is that when he got summoned, he was chain summoned alongside Adou AKA Liu Shan, Liu Bei's son. As Adou is summoned as an actual baby, he draws the attention of Kishimojin who assimilates the child into her. This is why Zhao Yun is after her, to save the young prince.

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asterism from the place I'm at Since: Apr, 2011 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#65434: Jun 19th 2024 at 9:20:47 PM

So here's what I gathered. When Zhao Yun is summoned as a Servant, a lil baby Liu Shan will also spawn in the map somewhere, and Yun's immediate and only priority is to find and protect him ASAP, to the point where his NP is basically "find the baby EVEN HARDER"

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Ayumi-chan 3rd happiest man in Connecticut from Iacon City (Experienced Trainee) Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
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#65435: Jun 20th 2024 at 7:58:20 AM

Bumping this question I have.

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TomWithoutJerry Tyranny Bad, Democracy Good. from Where Might Makes Right and I have no Might. Since: Dec, 2023
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#65436: Jun 20th 2024 at 9:38:46 AM

I don't even like Tamamo and I still feel like Type-Moon treats her unfairly. My heart is with you, Tamamobros and Tamamosis.

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asterism from the place I'm at Since: Apr, 2011 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#65437: Jun 20th 2024 at 9:43:22 AM

>tamamosis

Sounds like the process of Tamamos diffusing across a membrane from an area of high Tamamo concentration to an area of low Tamamo concentration

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Trainbarrel The Story Supporter from The Star Ocean Since: Jun, 2023 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
The Story Supporter
#65438: Jun 20th 2024 at 9:46:28 AM

> Tamamosis

This genuinely sounds like the process Tamamo undergoes to split herself into more individuals.

"If there's problems, there's simple solutions."
darksidevoid Anti-Gnosis Weapon from The Frontiers (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: Robosexual
Anti-Gnosis Weapon
#65439: Jun 20th 2024 at 10:41:04 AM

Sorry to say I have no answer to Ayumi's question, as I haven't played the game and don't plan to. HOWEVER!

Just 7 more days until the global release of Tsukihime: A Piece of Blue Glass Moon! Unfortunately, it seems like they're not bothering to ship them ahead of time even if they're preordered, so mine won't get to me until July 1st. :( Still, looking forward to a ton of people experiencing Tsukihime for the first time!

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EpicBleye drunk bunny from her bed being very eepy Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
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#65440: Jun 20th 2024 at 12:10:43 PM

I don't even like Tamamo and I still feel like Type-Moon treats her unfairly. My heart is with you, Tamamobros and Tamamosis.

it's genuinely a bit baffling. tamamo had a lot of prescribed importance to The Lore™ of the type-moon universe, between being twice's servant in Extra and her relation to Amaterasu in CCC. especially since, for the latter, the game is very unsubtle about nudging and winking at the player that tamamo is eventually going to face turning into the nine-tailed fox again and her evil side emerging, and amaterasu being ready to watch ever smugly as it happens.

and then... nothing. extella focused entirely on brand new lore and shilled nero to an absurd degree, extella link focused on charlie, and Last Encore.. shilled Nero once again and introduced deadface Hakuno (AND entirely excluded Tamamo to the point that her only appearance is a sticker on a trash can and a drama cd). and when it seemed like it was going to finally be touched on, tunguska pulled the rug from under everyone's feet. she hasn't even gotten a single costume which is absurd for one of the main characters of the franchise who's been in FGO since near the beginning. i guess Tama Cat exists, who did get a costume, but she's also a joke character who's gotten... one, maybe two serious roles period? and then Aria is... well, she's Aria.

all the while she's relegated to secondary-character status. and Nasu's drafts from Extella Zero seem to imply that her role in extellaverse is "Nero is the "true" servant/wife, and Tamamo is playing cutesy and trying to steal Hakuno away as the silly secondary character". which is an extreme disservice to her!! i'm baffled that Nasu is the one who conceptualized it in Extella Zero, and followed through with it in Extella proper. and then Nero seemingly stole the whole "she's inevitably going to become a Beast that devours hakuno and the world" arc when it comes to the Beast VI/Whore of Babylone and FGO Arcade, which feels like a slap in the face.

like. i'm not a nero hater, i rather like nero actually. i like draco and the whole whore of babylon thread throughout the series. but, like, what on earth is going on behind the scenes? i genuinely cannot fathom why tamamo is getting so little content and shafted ever since CCC. my absolute best guess is that Nasu pulled a Nasu- he had something written and planned out for Tamamo and Amaterasu across The Lore™ with cosmic importance, and then scrapped it because he didn't think he could do his idea justice and then used those concepts in other places. if it's just that type-moon believes it's done with tamamo as a character and that she doesn't have anything left to bring to the series that's fine but then why do they keep touching on Tamamo/Tamamo Nine/Daji/Amaterasu and then pulling away at the last second?

at a certain point it just feels spiteful. i know it's not, but its so ridiculous that i think someone is playing a cruel joke.

>tamamosis
Sounds like the process of Tamamos diffusing across a membrane from an area of high Tamamo concentration to an area of low Tamamo concentration
This genuinely sounds like the process Tamamo undergoes to split herself into more individuals.

woah CCC tamamo ending spoilers

Edited by EpicBleye on Jun 20th 2024 at 3:11:32 PM

"There's not a girl alive who wouldn't be happy being called cute." ~Tamamo-no-Mae
Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#65441: Jun 20th 2024 at 4:04:01 PM

I'm still annoyed about how bad the Tunguska event was and how much of a character waste it was for Tamamo, Daji and even Koyanskaya.

I'm pretty sick of Nero personally. Draco looks like she might be cool but I dread having to look at her first two ascensions.

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#65442: Jun 20th 2024 at 5:43:42 PM

i actually rather like draco's first ascension. the crowned queen being a depressed and rather morbid child with a blood-red dress and clutching onto the grail as her life is truly and utterly destroyed from the beginning is a dark aesthetic that i like. especially since the dress is floor-length and not revealing.

....the less said about the second ascension, the better. i genuinely do not know what they were thinking and it's really gross. i have no idea what wada arco was thinking, it feels like she was forced to do the design with how much the body and head do not go together.

the third ascension is awesome though

"There's not a girl alive who wouldn't be happy being called cute." ~Tamamo-no-Mae
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King of Anime
#65443: Jun 20th 2024 at 8:41:25 PM

Tsukihime Remake's official English release is less than a week out. Got my copy pre-ordered and I look forward to playing through it.

Nouct over the front from an east coast Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: Tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies
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#65444: Jun 20th 2024 at 9:35:40 PM

We do have Wada's design notes on Draco's second ascension per the arcade mats

It's her Lily!!!!!! She obviously needed the wickedness of a Beast but since she's a larval form, I also wanted to make her cute... There's just so much I wanted to do... Her headaches have gotten beyond bad, her scales hurt her skin, and nothing can bring her enjoyment. What I drew was a small tiny Nero who sits on the throne enduring all that without letting it show in her face. I wanted her to look dignified, so I decided against including some elements, but in hindsight, she could stand to be a little more visibly in pain. Her outfit is called Red Lightning UPDATED♥. (Wada Arco)

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drunk bunny
#65445: Jun 20th 2024 at 10:29:21 PM

rare wada arco L

"There's not a girl alive who wouldn't be happy being called cute." ~Tamamo-no-Mae
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King of Burgers
#65446: Jun 21st 2024 at 3:25:39 AM

Extra timeline is Nero's world, the rest of them just live there. tongue

Jokes aside, Nasu really been pushing Nero as the face of the series and Hakuno's "true" Servant. I dunno if he finds her more interesting, or if she's the most marketable, both might be true. Tamamo is left being a side character.

I have no problem with Draco. There's no historical character more associated with the concept of "Beast" than Nero, so it makes sense that she'd become one.

>tamamosis

Sounds like the process of Tamamos diffusing across a membrane from an area of high Tamamo concentration to an area of low Tamamo concentration

Funny how that's something that actually happens.

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#65447: Jun 21st 2024 at 7:01:02 AM

Jokes aside, Nasu really been pushing Nero as the face of the series and Hakuno's "true" Servant. I dunno if he finds her more interesting, or if she's the most marketable, both might be true. Tamamo is left being a side character.

Cuz one is a recolor of the franchise mascot and the other isn't.

TomWithoutJerry Tyranny Bad, Democracy Good. from Where Might Makes Right and I have no Might. Since: Dec, 2023
Tyranny Bad, Democracy Good.
#65448: Jun 21st 2024 at 7:06:00 AM

Nobu is so awesome she competes against her subfranchise's Saberface and remains popular.

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#65450: Jun 21st 2024 at 11:23:06 PM

Kara no Kyoukai(Garden of Sinners) Question.

I got a question regarding Shiki Ryougi's trope section. Its specifically the "Good Is Old-Fashioned" trope. In it one part says "and is utterly disgusted by drugs and casual sex." My question is where in the novels(or movies) does Shiki say that or refer to those preferences at?


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