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Sep 17th 2019 at 7:20:43 PM

Urobuchi did have to be told to rewrite the Zero event, though. Too dark.

VeryMelon SUPER SOMETHING ELSE
SUPER SOMETHING ELSE
Sep 17th 2019 at 8:07:53 PM

Makes me wonder what the original was like.

HandsomeRob Completely trustworthy from The world that never was Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
Completely trustworthy
Sep 17th 2019 at 8:39:31 PM

My guess is so dark not even a high powered search light could pierce it.cool

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HailMuffins Thoroughly unimpressed from Ceará, Brazil Relationship Status: How YOU doin'?
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Sep 17th 2019 at 9:05:00 PM

Considering how the whole event is focused around Waver, I can only imagine it ends with Iskandar disowning him or something.

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Nouct Serial procrastinator from Studying abroad Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Serial procrastinator
Sep 17th 2019 at 9:08:27 PM

Urobuchi: Can’t I have this character kill this other character and end it there?

My immediate thought was Kerry killing Iri or the other way around, but it's so vague that it's hard to say.

Waver being one of the characters involved probably makes more sense now that I think about it.

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HailMuffins Thoroughly unimpressed from Ceará, Brazil Relationship Status: How YOU doin'?
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Sep 17th 2019 at 9:14:31 PM

Funnily enough, he does kill Iskandar in the version of the event we did get.

And Kiritsugu killing Iri wouldn't really have much of an impact considering they're complete stranger in that story.

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Shlugo_the_great King of Burgers Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
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Sep 18th 2019 at 3:17:34 AM

Nasu can be ridiculously mean-spirited to his characters at times, perhaps even more so than Urobuchi.

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Sep 18th 2019 at 11:42:20 AM

As I recall, all we were told is that it went something like...

Urobuchi: Can't I just have Character X kill off Character Y and end things with that?

Nasu: Try to believe more in hopes and dreams, Urobuchi!

... and then it got rewritten, and we got what we ended up with in FGO.

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Sep 18th 2019 at 1:16:22 PM

And Urobuchi would eventually take Nasu's words about hopes and dreams and other saccharine crap to heart and make Madoka Magica.

And then he said "fuck it" and made Madoka Magica Rebellion.

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HandsomeRob Completely trustworthy from The world that never was Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
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Sep 18th 2019 at 4:43:53 PM

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Actually Rebellion was the rest of the Madoka crew.

He only did the original.

So that’s not his fault.

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EpicBleye I'm Tamamortified! from the closet Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
I'm Tamamortified!
Sep 18th 2019 at 4:56:49 PM

TIL that in the Gilgamesh route of CCC, Hakuno's original servant was a Berserker!

do we have any idea who this berserker was?? or why hakuno summoned a berserker in the first place and they just didnt follow up when Hakuno was kidnapped by BB?

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Sep 18th 2019 at 5:10:22 PM

The general fanon is Enkidu since he shows us Gils past in dreams and trying really hard to ship us and have Gil move on.

Nouct Serial procrastinator from Studying abroad Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Serial procrastinator
Sep 18th 2019 at 5:17:49 PM

The contract was terminated in the Near Side when BB interfered and started the plot of CCC for Gil's route

Gilgamesh: I’d looked into your Servant on the Near Side. A Berserker...... That one had immediately terminated your contract upon losing sight of you. You were abandoned by your own dog. Even I had not anticipated that. For you to drop out before losing miserably in the sixth round would be a stain upon my reputation.

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EpicBleye I'm Tamamortified! from the closet Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
I'm Tamamortified!
Sep 18th 2019 at 5:48:25 PM

interesting.

from what i understand, each servant has three endings

  1. One where you end up with Sakura in the end
  2. One servant ending where some nonsense happens, like Tamamo kicking the moon cell
  3. One true ending where Hakuno is given a body on the real world and Kiara is defeated

right? since CCC isnt translated i'm working with bits and pieces i can scrape together.

what happens to kiara in the non "true" endings? what happens in the true ending as a whole after defeating kiara?

"There's no room for new goodies in THIS gacha game!" ~Tamamo-no-Mae
Nouct Serial procrastinator from Studying abroad Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Serial procrastinator
Sep 18th 2019 at 6:23:33 PM

It's just four Servant endings and the normal ending where they only fight BB (because Kiara died to Melt and couldn't use her contingencies) and the CCC ending where Kiara is defeated (as she gets around that death problem in this ending and manages to take control of the Moon Cell) and Hakuno and Sakura end up together

  1. Normal ending just loops back into Extra
  2. Nero's ending is the most conventional, it goes back to Extra, Pieceman is beaten and Nero has a wedding after Hakuno doesn't get erased unlike OG Extra and does the stuff where they become rulers of the Moon Cell.
  3. Archer's ending is the one where the original Hakuno on Earth gets revived and meets up with him there.
  4. Tamamo's ending is the most comedic in tone where she finally gets to be Hakuno's wife in a cozy home but oops the other Tamamo Nine came back and pixellated everything.
  5. Gil's ending has him use 9/10 of his treasury to get back to Hakuno at the Near Side, then GTFO of the Moon Cell with them to go meet aliens.
  6. The CCC ending has Sakura use the Moon Cell to create a new artificial body for Hakuno on Earth and she goes with them to Earth. And then there's some Nasu philosobabble about since this is CCC!Hakuno who went to Earth and not OG Extra!Hakuno, there's infinite possibilities about who gets to meet Twice and beat him.

Edited by Nouct on Sep 18th 2019 at 8:07:35 AM

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Comun Translation Trainwreck Enthusiast from Lostbelt 7 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
Sep 18th 2019 at 6:34:34 PM

The most common fanon is the aforementioned Enkidu theory because Hakuno can see Enkidu's backstory at one point, but we know for a fact that Nightingale was a scrapped character in CCC, so I take the most biased alternative here.

HailMuffins Thoroughly unimpressed from Ceará, Brazil Relationship Status: How YOU doin'?
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Sep 18th 2019 at 6:38:25 PM

More characters in the EXTRA branch ended up scrapped than in the actual games, to be perfectly fair.

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vicarious vicarious from NC, USA
vicarious
Sep 18th 2019 at 6:55:30 PM

Damn that means Nightingale just straight abandoned us

EpicBleye I'm Tamamortified! from the closet Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
I'm Tamamortified!
Sep 18th 2019 at 7:48:47 PM

[up][up][up][up] Interesting. I'd love to play through the game myself, but until it's translated that isn't possible, which is an absolute shame.

"There's no room for new goodies in THIS gacha game!" ~Tamamo-no-Mae
Sep 19th 2019 at 1:58:06 PM

JRads, Madoka came long before FGO.

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Maybe? We have no information on what Nightingale's role would have been in CCC, so we can't confirm if she was supposed to be the Berserker.

Though I hear that FGO JP had Enkidu allude again to stuff from CCC regarding his hopes for Gil to find someone else he can accept as a "friend".

vicarious vicarious from NC, USA
vicarious
Sep 19th 2019 at 1:58:43 PM

Most likely, Enkidu

But if it’s Nightingale, still feels bad

Sep 19th 2019 at 2:09:41 PM

Berserker Enkidu is also his monster form.

HailMuffins Thoroughly unimpressed from Ceará, Brazil Relationship Status: How YOU doin'?
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Sep 19th 2019 at 5:15:15 PM

So something just ocurred to me: a guy who has little to no meaning or goal in life and tries to compensate for that by overfpcusing on helping others.

Now, am I talking about Shirou or Solaire of Astora?

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
Sep 19th 2019 at 6:08:28 PM A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
HailMuffins Thoroughly unimpressed from Ceará, Brazil Relationship Status: How YOU doin'?
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Sep 21st 2019 at 9:43:49 AM

Someone who's better at editing, pick this scene:

And put The Sound of Silence over it, please. [lol]

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