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asterism from the place I'm at Since: Apr, 2011 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#59401: Aug 30th 2019 at 3:52:09 PM

I mean, she managed to hack the Moon Cell, so she's smart in some ways.

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Shlugo_the_great Since: Sep, 2009
#59402: Aug 30th 2019 at 3:53:47 PM

Her entire plan would have worked without a hitch if Andersen wasn't a failure loving dick, wouldn't it?

Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#59403: Aug 30th 2019 at 3:54:46 PM

He just didn't find her all that compelling as a protagonist, so...

Edited by Blueace on Aug 30th 2019 at 7:56:27 AM

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Shlugo_the_great Since: Sep, 2009
#59404: Aug 30th 2019 at 4:01:02 PM

She was probably enjoying life too much for his tastes.

OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#59405: Aug 30th 2019 at 4:05:49 PM

It took a number of factors rolling her way to have things go as she wanted.

Even then she didn't achieve what she wanted. Which was proper Godhood. Instead she became a Beast and was too arrogant to notice the difference. Along with eating a bunch of girls powered by Love for Hakuno, and having Andersen constantly buff her in battle when his NP is all about giving bad ends especially the more he uses it, and of course him telling them when she was going to use her NP.

Even the Tamamo manga I recall has her killed pretty early by the Alteregos.

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#59406: Aug 30th 2019 at 4:07:24 PM

Beasthood's superior to Godhood.

And Kiara always dies in non CCC routes yes. She needs to hijack Lip after you let her go.

Edited by alekos23 on Aug 30th 2019 at 2:08:10 PM

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OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#59407: Aug 30th 2019 at 4:11:09 PM

Depends on the God in question.

And she wanted to be a proper God with a (G) like Amaterasu. Not a Beast. Amaterasu is an OP deity too since she's also a Buddha as Vairocana.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Aug 30th 2019 at 4:12:38 AM

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HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#59408: Aug 30th 2019 at 4:22:07 PM

And the chief deity of Japan, which must count for something.

I wonder if the Imperial Family could be used as vessels for Amaterasu in the Nasuverse.

Nouct insert commentary here from an east coast Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: Tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies
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#59409: Aug 30th 2019 at 4:23:17 PM

I thought the problem with Andersen's NP is that Kiara's character was too incompatible for him to use it properly on her?

OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#59410: Aug 30th 2019 at 4:39:25 PM

Yeah that. But it was also that the more he uses it, the more likely you get a BADEND because he typically can't imagine a happy ending because he's that cynical.

This being why an omnipotent Noble Phantasm is ranked C.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Aug 30th 2019 at 4:40:35 AM

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Comun Since: Jun, 2012
#59411: Aug 30th 2019 at 6:57:56 PM

Her entire plan would have worked without a hitch if Andersen wasn't a failure loving dick, wouldn't it?

Maybe, but we'll never know because Kiara was never following her own plan to begin with. Her plan was to give Sakura feelings to make her fall in love with Kiara and do all the BB shenanigans as she did in-game. But then she saw Sakura with Hakuno and thought "Ok, that's much more interesting, I can roll with that".

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#59412: Aug 30th 2019 at 7:38:08 PM

See, this is what happens when you improvise, Kiara.

OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#59413: Aug 30th 2019 at 8:49:16 PM

BB was already in love with Hakuno, but Kiaras disregard for AI feelings bungled up BB so she's unstable enough she can try something, but is more likely to die like an idiot as a result.

B Bs big problem is she remembers loving someone but she can't recall whom, and she creates more mayhem in her attempt to protect this person she doesn't remember until she does by the final battle against her and by that point BB decidesto throw the fight.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Aug 30th 2019 at 8:50:52 AM

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Tsuzurao Since: Dec, 2009
#59414: Aug 31st 2019 at 8:11:05 AM

I don't think that Kiara was officially recognized as a Beast during CCC.

It's actually an odd note that, while she was stronger overall during Fate/Extra CCC, it's listed that her absolute worst enemy would be Buddha, who has distanced himself from his desires. Beast III/R's profile notes that back in the Moon Cell, Kiara was a larger-scale existence than she is in FGO, but that Kiara lacked the Nega-Saver skill of her Beast-class version, so she could not win against a proper messiah.

Edited by Tsuzurao on Aug 31st 2019 at 8:12:18 AM

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: Jun, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#59415: Aug 31st 2019 at 8:29:46 AM

Isn't she a true demon in Extra CCC, not a Beast?

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#59416: Aug 31st 2019 at 8:38:35 AM

As close to one you can get, but basically yes.

Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#59417: Aug 31st 2019 at 2:14:38 PM

I still don't know if those are different things.

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#59418: Aug 31st 2019 at 2:22:59 PM

BB implies they're the same in the event doesn't she.

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OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#59419: Aug 31st 2019 at 3:45:17 PM

Gilgamesh calls BB a New Evil of Humanity and Kiara gobbled her down so......

And Amaterasu unashamedly says Tamamo is t gonna Beast out one day and kill Hakuno(and due to Multiverse rules. Once you go Beast, every reality ensures it happens if said person exists so its possible)

Plus it was the Extra Side Materials that said Lovecraft Gods are Alien Beasts = True Demons and all of them have fit the mold so far. Raum even trying to summon one himself to help him.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Aug 31st 2019 at 3:45:54 AM

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#59420: Aug 31st 2019 at 4:04:31 PM

it said they're similar, not the same beings. Lovecraft stuff can still be pruned.

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OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#59421: Aug 31st 2019 at 4:13:57 PM

Yeah cause they're outsiders.

Remember they haven't gotten a proper foothold in reality to try to begin such wisescale plamsand the ones they have attempted to infiltrate through have rebuked them.

Except BB but BB and Nyarly are about messing with people and timeloops in B Bs case. But she was already a Beast Candidate so joining their alien counterparts is fine

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Aug 31st 2019 at 4:16:18 AM

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Shlugo_the_great Since: Sep, 2009
#59422: Aug 31st 2019 at 4:19:37 PM

And then there's Alien God, who is like "Look at me. I'm the captain now."

OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#59423: Aug 31st 2019 at 4:21:12 PM

Alien God: Try it I've got Alteregos for days!

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HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#59424: Aug 31st 2019 at 4:21:49 PM

There's also the fact that Nyarly is less about destroying reality and more seeing humanity corrupted and in suffering.

If it wanted to wipe out the Earth, it could literally do it in its sleep.

Prany Since: Apr, 2013
#59425: Aug 31st 2019 at 10:13:37 PM

Considering World's intention to keep timelines actively producing worthwhile data - even going so far as to pruning utopias - I wouldn't be surprised if World and Nyarly would make the bestest buds. When you think about it, World is just as alien, abominable and powerful as Lovecraftian horrors.


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