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Type-Moon: Fate/stay night, Tsukihime, and Kara no Kyoukai discussion

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Noimporta Since: Jan, 2001
#276: Nov 29th 2009 at 6:27:49 AM

I see, It shouldn't take long with Scene skipping...

Because the fact that she is/becomes involved in the third route is what makes that go off the trails and create the kind of trainwreck that you see on the news with headlines like "Thousands dead as train crashes through chemical plant!".

I could have done without knowing this until I knew it.

Arilou Taller than Zim from Quasispace Since: Jan, 2001
Taller than Zim
#277: Nov 29th 2009 at 6:31:45 AM

You did ask.

"No, the Singularity will not happen. Computation is hard." -Happy Ent
Noimporta Since: Jan, 2001
#278: Nov 29th 2009 at 6:43:26 AM

Spoilertags! Bah, I guess I would have found out very early anyway.

zeroplusalpha The World Is Mine from behind the 7th Door Since: Apr, 2009
The World Is Mine
#279: Nov 29th 2009 at 8:18:32 AM

There's a choice near the end that determined my UBW Good/True Ending.

All you have to do is go and talk to Saber before going to Rin's room for the uh, mana transfer process.

Play Again? Y/N
Noimporta Since: Jan, 2001
#280: Nov 29th 2009 at 8:27:54 AM

Yep, I believe that did the trick with mine too.

zeroplusalpha The World Is Mine from behind the 7th Door Since: Apr, 2009
The World Is Mine
#281: Nov 29th 2009 at 8:32:55 AM

Yes, he looks cooler, and certainly prettier, but... does this have some meaning or it was just an artistic decision?

Why is makeover? Because cool. *Shrugs*

The ending was good too. I didn't find it as moving as Fate's, but then, the only way that could have been possible was if they started putting defenseless puppies in a blender.

The way you put it cracks me up. wink

I teared up at Archer's farewell to Rin though. Rin obviously really doesn't want to see him go, and even asks him to form another contract with her. Ooh, this is referenced in Battle Moon Wars, by the way, except this time he accepts her offer.

UBW Good End is very similar to Ciel's Good End in Tsukihime, even though she points out that it's not really all that Good from her point of view.

Are you ready to go on, then? Well, take a breath and fortify yourself with stiff drink: HF is the heaviest of the three routes, lays on the Tearjerkers even more thickly.

Play Again? Y/N
Arilou Taller than Zim from Quasispace Since: Jan, 2001
Taller than Zim
#282: Nov 29th 2009 at 8:49:20 AM

even though she points out that it's not really all that Good from her point of view.

Which is what makes it hilarious.

That and the "I wonder how I'm going to explain this to Akiha" thing.

I've always considered HF to be the most satisfying route, it ties up most of the loose ends and basically makes stuff work out in a satisfying manner. The "good" ends of the earlier routes is kind of tainted by the fact that what is going on/was still going on behind the scenes but gets no resolution.

edited 29th Nov '09 8:52:20 AM by Arilou

"No, the Singularity will not happen. Computation is hard." -Happy Ent
Wicked223 from Death Star in the forest Since: Apr, 2009
#283: Nov 29th 2009 at 8:59:57 AM

I can't update the liveblog until my Auto Read gets fixed.

You can't even write racist abuse in excrement on somebody's car without the politically correct brigade jumping down your throat!
zeroplusalpha The World Is Mine from behind the 7th Door Since: Apr, 2009
The World Is Mine
#284: Nov 29th 2009 at 9:02:02 AM

^Why? What's wrong with doing it manually? I actually find that faster than Auto-Read, to be honest...

edited 29th Nov '09 9:02:16 AM by zeroplusalpha

Play Again? Y/N
Noimporta Since: Jan, 2001
#285: Nov 29th 2009 at 9:05:41 AM

So do I, It also has the advantage of letting me swap it out easily if I hear someone approaching without missing anything. I know I can read the textdump, but it doesn't feel right.

edited 29th Nov '09 9:06:15 AM by Noimporta

TheAdversary Since: Jan, 2001
#286: Nov 29th 2009 at 9:33:36 AM

About Gilgamesh's look: He thought Shiro was such a pushover he didn't even need his armor. That's Gilgamesh for you.

Wicked223 from Death Star in the forest Since: Apr, 2009
#287: Nov 29th 2009 at 10:01:52 AM

The Fate Stay Night liveblog has been updated.

You can't even write racist abuse in excrement on somebody's car without the politically correct brigade jumping down your throat!
Neo_Crimson Your army sucks. from behind your lines. Since: Jan, 2001
Your army sucks.
#288: Nov 29th 2009 at 10:52:17 AM

The only reason why he "dressed up" in Fate was to look good for Saber.

Sorry, I can't hear you from my FLYING METAL BOX!
Noimporta Since: Jan, 2001
#289: Nov 29th 2009 at 12:47:26 PM

Man, I'm sure looking forward to being able to read all the spoilertags here.... of course, when that happens everyone will start talking about Fate/Zero and Fate/Hollow Artaxia, just to keep the status quo.

So I started Heaven's Feel, but I didn't get an Intro movie, what a scam...

  • Shirou is as bright as ever: of course everything will be fine for you if Shinji finds you with Sakura, it's her who's going to get hurt.
  • Rin Gets tired of putting up with Shirou for two routes and is no longer his ally
  • Gilgamesh gets tired of waiting until the last quarter to make his move and has a cameo.
  • The guy everyone was talking about, Matou Zouken appears... this route seems to make much more emphasis on the spellcaster families' history, so I guess their role be prominent.
  • Rider just keeps falling faster with each route... Isnt It Sad, Rider?

Neo_Crimson Your army sucks. from behind your lines. Since: Jan, 2001
Your army sucks.
#290: Nov 29th 2009 at 12:57:46 PM

@the last point.

Is that what you think?

Sorry, I can't hear you from my FLYING METAL BOX!
Arilou Taller than Zim from Quasispace Since: Jan, 2001
Taller than Zim
#291: Nov 29th 2009 at 1:00:10 PM

Heh, considering This is the route where Rider actually survives I can't help but laugh :p

"No, the Singularity will not happen. Computation is hard." -Happy Ent
Noimporta Since: Jan, 2001
#292: Nov 29th 2009 at 1:03:36 PM

Considering I've been spoiled about her identity (Thank you Tv Tropes) but yet to see any hint about it besides her lowered Divinity stat, I'm not sure... I'll have to wait and see.

edited 29th Nov '09 1:04:08 PM by Noimporta

Wicked223 from Death Star in the forest Since: Apr, 2009
#293: Nov 29th 2009 at 1:06:00 PM

The Fate Stay Night liveblog has been updated (again).

@Noimporta: It's a good thing I don't read wiki pages for works I haven't seen, isn't it?

You can't even write racist abuse in excrement on somebody's car without the politically correct brigade jumping down your throat!
Noimporta Since: Jan, 2001
#294: Nov 29th 2009 at 1:10:11 PM

Nor do I, If I were you I'd get away from the Anime & Manga examples from Trope pages and from this subforum as a whole.

Also, another thing I forgot to note:

  • Kiritsugu was offered into the Einzbern family 10 years ago, wife included. We have a a 10 years old Einzbern running around, she calls Shirou "Onii-Chan". That would make sense, but didn't they mention somewhere in another route that Ilya was Created, or something like that?

edited 29th Nov '09 1:46:39 PM by Noimporta

rastilin Since: Dec, 1969
#295: Nov 29th 2009 at 3:51:26 PM

@Noimporta

Ilya was created, but one of her components was donated by Kiritsugu. Also, she was born several years before the fourth grail war; in Fate/Zero she's old enough to play with Kiritsugu in the castle garden.

edited 29th Nov '09 3:51:51 PM by rastilin

Wicked223 from Death Star in the forest Since: Apr, 2009
#296: Nov 29th 2009 at 4:19:54 PM

Just running this by you guys:

edited 29th Nov '09 4:20:35 PM by Wicked223

You can't even write racist abuse in excrement on somebody's car without the politically correct brigade jumping down your throat!
Noimporta Since: Jan, 2001
#297: Nov 29th 2009 at 4:26:30 PM

The Spoilers! Must... resist!

In any case, the voice patch kind of gave away the fact that this weird man-eating creature is or is related to Sakura, it is also eating the servants, if it eats the energy source of the Holy Grail, will it obtain its powers? Will Gilgamesh be finally upstaged by a bigger threat?

Oh, and the Sex scene. If he was drooling over Sakura, why did he dream of Rin? and what's with those freaky eyes?

EDIT: @Wicked: I always thought he looked more like Kariya

edited 29th Nov '09 4:30:27 PM by Noimporta

Mapi-chan Since: May, 2009
#298: Nov 29th 2009 at 6:06:43 PM

In HF, the hunter becomes the PWNED, isn't that right, GIRUGAMESH, Zouken?

edited 29th Nov '09 6:06:56 PM by Mapi-chan

Sparkysharps Since: Jan, 2001
#299: Nov 29th 2009 at 6:07:29 PM

Ilya was created, but one of her components was donated by Kiritsugu. Also, she was born several years before the fourth grail war; in Fate/Zero she's old enough to play with Kiritsugu in the castle garden.

I think her age was given as eight in Fate Zero, which makes her eighteen in the series proper. As for her creation: most homunculi are made using someone's genetic material — what makes her different is that she was implanted and developed in Irisviel's womb while most homunculi are lab-grown.

Noimporta Since: Jan, 2001
#300: Nov 29th 2009 at 6:16:59 PM

Well, it would seem that Fujimura ships Shirou X Sakura


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