Bill and Ted 3

Why's that? I think it'd be kind of cool to see these idiots all grown up.

And Keanu needs some happiness in his life.

And a Bill & Ted 3 needs some Rufus if it is to have any life of its own at all.

What makes Bill & Ted Bill & Ted is not just Keanu Reeves and Alex Winter. It's also George Carlon. No real Rufus, no real Bill & Ted 3.

edited 18th Nov '11 4:51:55 PM by SeanMurrayI

It's been a while since I saw the second one, so I don't remember it too clearly, but in the first one Rufus is really only there for expository and plot-initiating purposes and is just at the ends of the film.

So I disagree. I'm a huge Carlin fan, I own about half a dozen of his albums, but he didn't make or break Bill & Ted for me.

edited 18th Nov '11 5:18:02 PM by Wackd

Carlin was cool in the first one, but kind of superfluous in the next.

Rufus is key to the Bill & Ted tone. I won't accept having a completely new face and character to represent the future world depicted in those stories.

Furthermore, the real world (and the real music scene) has just changed way too much since Bogus Journey. I don't know what kind of role two guys who are supposed to bring about world peace and universal harmony through music are would have in a Post-9/11 world, but, frankly, I'm not that interested in paying money at a theater to learn the answer.

I can see a certain nostalgic appeal to a Bill & Ted 3, but beyond that, such a project doesn't have much going for it.

edited 18th Nov '11 6:11:52 PM by SeanMurrayI

Really? I find the idea fascinating, but whatever floats your boat.

Besides, the whole "world-peace-through-music" concept has never been much but an excuse for these otherwise unremarkable and thick people to have extraordinary things happen to them.

edited 18th Nov '11 6:12:19 PM by Wackd

The idea would be fascinating so much that if we were to discuss this in our own conversations, it would make for an entertaining talk, yes. However, I wouldn't want to see it explored in an actual movie. I certainly wouldn't want to pay money to receive insight on such a matter.

If there truly is to be a third film, though, how their music actually ushers in the true foundation of the Future Era depicted in the earlier movies would be the only significant plot point left to develop a story around. With one of the three leads dead, and the other two in their late 40's, the door should not be left open for a Bill & Ted 4. A third film would need to bring full closure to everything, franchise reboot notwithstanding.

edited 18th Nov '11 6:30:06 PM by SeanMurrayI

What I really want this movie to be is Bill and Ted sitting around, going "Dude, what went wrong?"

Oh man, would that be depressing. I can imagine now the movie being about figuring out why world peace didn't happen and they never became a popular band.

I hope they don't do that. I think that might be soul-crushing. But on the other hand, it's about the only good movie concept I can see coming out of it.

It'd be depressing, but it would also be pretty funny. I don't see them doing that, though.

You know what'd be depressing? A movie where Bill and Ted were murdered and put through a literal hell to stop a militant from destroying a utopian future. OH WAIT.

They made that funny, I'm sure they could make a movie about Bill & Ted's midlife crisis funny too.

edited 20th Nov '11 5:14:43 PM by Wackd

"We're NOT too old for this shit!"

Bill and Ted operates on a strict Stable Time Loop, so them actually failing would be a bit of a break from the established mechanics.

Them needing to kick themselves to ensure it happens could have potential, though.

Hate to bump, but apparently the third film will have them having not written the song that will bring about world peace and trying to do that.

I assume going to the future to find it is cheating. XD

Yeah, this is one of those time travel plots where the heroes have other time travelers do all the work.

I think having that as the premise would be excellent (shame), if they didn't mind that much and were still relentlessly cheerful despite it. That sounds weird and all, but it's exactly in line with the atmosphere of Bill & Ted.

Or maybe they could have some Alternate Universe thing, which'd cover the progression of time and give the duo another realm or whatever to explore, like maybe they could start in the world their music created, then somehow get sucked into our totally bogus 'verse.

Reeves and Winter on the enduring appeal of the characters, and the difficult nature of acquiring independent financing.

So basically, these two have committed themselves to the project despite not knowing whether the movie will ever have a budget, much less how much they'll be paid. I think Money, Dear Boy as a potential motivation for this project is firmly off the table.

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Kickstarter, there's your cue.

Hey, yeah! Wonder why they haven't considered it considering the project's been stalled for well over two years now.

Not really sure if want to be honest. I loved the first two films, quite a lot actually, but a new film in the franchise? Well, just look at what's happened in the real world since then? Clue - it's been shit.

And the late 80s/early 90s were just this magical perfect time where optimism was far more warranted?

You scoffed as much at this sentiment when I brought it up nearly two years ago, but in all this time, you still haven't made a case for why anybody should care to wonder how two dimwitted Southern Cali teens, now in their late 40s, are supposed to usher an era of world peace in a post-9/11, volatile global environment, or why anyone who might care enough to wonder these possibilities should pay money to receive a stupid an answer to such a stupid question in a film when we can all just smoke pot and type paragraphs of batshit on the Internet for free.

edited 2nd Oct '13 3:49:23 PM by SeanMurrayI

I don't even have to look back to recall that I did address this. The world peace angle has always been an Excuse Plot for a bunch of comedic vignettes, and if you're going in with the expectations of any sort of ideology or deeper meaning than "be excellent to one another" you clearly don't remember the first two too well.

Hey, conversely, if you're going in while completely hung up about two movies from over twenty years ago without paying any heed to how much the world around you has changed in all that time, then you're clearly just not paying attention to anything too well.

Honestly, are you just not understanding that it's already being explained to you that that ideology of "be excellent to each other" is the very reason why several people have already been doubting that there's a place for a Bill & Ted 3 in the modern world? As major events of the early 21st Century woke the world up to several harsh realities, fiction (especially film, including sequels and reboots for other decades-old franchises) has largely sought to construct some basis in mirroring that modern reality, as well.

There's just no valid defense for the comeback of two characters who are the very product of laid-back, oblivious youth culture that never grew up in the shadow of massive terrorist strikes on national landmarks, extensive military conflicts, and a tanking economy if the whole ordeal is just gonna amount to running with that same schtick from three decades ago and expecting both younger generations with very different worldviews as well as the older, now matured audience of the original movies to just accept it. Because they probably won't.

edited 2nd Oct '13 9:55:53 PM by SeanMurrayI