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Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#14176: Sep 12th 2021 at 8:39:57 PM

When was he likable? At most he might be KINDA a Well-Intentioned Extremist and even that is a serious stretch.

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#14177: Sep 12th 2021 at 8:49:20 PM

I just saw a post up higher mentioning him and Gaius as some of the more likable Garleans, and how Misija was a failed attempted at that.

Maybe Red meant Solus?

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#14178: Sep 12th 2021 at 9:15:22 PM

Maybe? Case Valens is out and out a cunt. There is ZERO things about him to like and I am damn sure that was intentional.

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#14179: Sep 12th 2021 at 9:24:09 PM

So I also unlocked another achievement for DRK, earning the Battle Panther. Neat.

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#14180: Sep 12th 2021 at 9:48:48 PM

I saw a couple of arguments in favor of Varis after 4.5. there are legit people who thought he owned the Alliance leaders with facts and logic(TM) and even his trope page was filled with positive arguments for him, ignoring his very first scene in HW was him trying to genocide innocent bird people.

So even though Varis is a bastard, he did have a fanbase that was pretty loud when Zenos killed him

Solus isn't really a likeable sympathetic(Both terms I use lightly) imperialist villain like Gaius and Varis because that requires him to actually believe in Garlemald. Ha.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Sep 12th 2021 at 12:53:03 PM

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#14181: Sep 12th 2021 at 10:59:51 PM

Oh, so the usual ignorable Garlean fanbase, then. I wouldn't call that him being likeable; hell, taking over the world so you can make your own master race is... a pretty clear parallel.

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#14182: Sep 12th 2021 at 11:02:47 PM

I'll give Varis this, he did agree to the meeting with the Eorzean Alliance leaders and didn't try anything dirty.

Granted unleashing chemical weapons outweighs that move. Regulus is the only Garlemald villain who genuinely comes off as an Anti-villain. It helps he wasn't trying to conquer anything, just secure anti-primal equipment.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Sep 12th 2021 at 2:03:40 PM

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#14183: Sep 13th 2021 at 1:17:15 AM

Whilst true, he also killed Ysayle so I can't say that I like him very much

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#14184: Sep 13th 2021 at 1:24:20 AM

We also killed lots of Garlean troops that were his comrades too, as he points out yet he was the bigger man and went to us for help.

Sure we could claim self defense for all those dead imperials but so could he when shooting Shiva. Credit to him, he did go down protecting a child.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Sep 13th 2021 at 4:24:52 AM

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#14185: Sep 13th 2021 at 3:24:58 AM

XV event's up now, for anyone who wants to get that sweet car. Starts in Ul'dah, just to the west of the aetheryte.

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#14186: Sep 13th 2021 at 6:44:28 AM

If you did the event already, does anything new happen this time? Or is it just the FATE stuff again?

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#14187: Sep 13th 2021 at 8:10:19 AM

There isn’t any new stuff unlike the Yokai event :(

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#14188: Sep 13th 2021 at 8:22:43 AM

They missed their chance to give us XV brand weaponry.

EDIT: Question, which class in FF XIV uses electric based powers? Off the top of my head, I can only name Black Mage and Paladin's Requiescat which is unaspected but still counts.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Sep 13th 2021 at 2:11:36 PM

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#14189: Sep 13th 2021 at 1:34:37 PM

Red mage, blue mage, ninja

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#14190: Sep 13th 2021 at 3:12:43 PM

Noctis: ??? (Red Mage?)
Ignis: Ninja
Gladio: Dark Knight
Prompto: Machinist

Edited by asterism on Sep 13th 2021 at 11:12:54 AM

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#14191: Sep 14th 2021 at 8:10:22 AM

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/pnywoe/famitsu_interview_with_yoshi_regarding_shb/

A Famitsu interview with Yoshi P, and it does clarify some details. Thancred DID have romantic feelings for Minfilia but would have been okay albeit heartbroken a bit if Minfilia saw him as a brother among other details.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Sep 14th 2021 at 11:24:52 AM

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#14192: Sep 14th 2021 at 9:43:42 AM

Him trying to be a father to Ryne just got quite a bit creepier

Edited by asterism on Sep 14th 2021 at 5:43:52 PM

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#14193: Sep 14th 2021 at 9:47:25 AM

Really? How so?

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Perseus from Australia Since: Nov, 2009 Relationship Status: Mu
#14194: Sep 14th 2021 at 12:21:50 PM

Other sources indicate, to the contrary, that that translation is inaccurate and Yoshida was very clear about Thancred's feelings not being romantic at all, and their relationship being a familial one.

[up] If it were true, Thancred's arc about seeing Ryne as a Replacement Goldfish for Minfilia would be... weird.

Edited by Perseus on Sep 15th 2021 at 5:25:36 AM

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#14195: Sep 14th 2021 at 12:32:25 PM

[up] Maybe it's been a while, but did Thancred view Ryne as a replacement goldfish at all? He gave her the name Ryne so she would be her own person, and he's clearly aware that Minfilia is a separate person from Ryne since he talked to the original one in the desert area.

His dynamic with Ryne wasn't a replacement goldfish, rather him being aware she isn't Minfilia despite the name and being conflicted over how either Minfilia has to go away forever or the child does. That's why he has a hard time connecting with Ryne initially and was cold.

Like whether or not Thancred viewed Minfilia as a sister or a love interest, it doesn't change that Ryne is the daughter Thancred never had.

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#14196: Sep 14th 2021 at 1:42:58 PM

Less seeing her as the same person and more, like... projecting his desire to protect the original Minfilia, which he ultimately felt he failed at, onto the child. While struggling with everything you said.

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#14197: Sep 14th 2021 at 1:47:54 PM

Okay, so for the sake of argument, let's say Thancred did have romantic feelings towards Minfilia. I don't think he'd project any romantic feelings towards Ryne and it would still come off as an adopted father daughter thing, even more so IMO in this case since again, he's aware Minfilia and Ryne are separate people.

But moving on, https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/po7ulk/yoship_famitsu_interview_has_serious/

Yeah this one confirms the link I posted is inaccurate. But one I am glad is wrong, since Thancred knew Minfilia as a child.

And hit on her adopted mom.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Sep 14th 2021 at 4:54:56 AM

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#14198: Sep 14th 2021 at 4:56:31 PM

Thancred and Minfilia were 17 and 12 respectively when her father died

kid thancred really puts me in mind of zidane if that's the case

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TomWalker27 Since: Aug, 2021
#14199: Sep 14th 2021 at 6:03:57 PM

I don't see what that problem is with Garlemald taking territory. The city-states of Eorzea and other nations all took land from others so taking land from other nations isn't really a bad thing. The main problem with Garlemald is their actions towards non-"pureblood" Garleans and outward faith yet there are plenty of leaders in Garlemald like Gaius and Regula who actually want to bring non-Garleans into the empire, make them equals and make sure all will prosper.

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#14200: Sep 14th 2021 at 6:16:36 PM

As for Varis he is a well-intentioned extremist as he views what he is doing is for the sake of the planet. Remember what he told Alphinaud "The fate of Eorzea pales in comparison to that of the world". He feels that what he is doing is the best course for humanity even though his goal is flawed. Also to say he is like the no.1 most hated human on Earth is rather wrong. Varis said that no race on Hydaelyn except their original unsundered bodies were ever perfect. The Garleans aren't perfect same with the Hyur, Au Ra, Miqote, etc. He felt the only way to defeat the Ascians is by regaining what they all lost. The only problem is that to do so will usher in great tragedies across the land and kill several amounts of people. Not mention that the people of the shards would be gone. But as shown by our fights with the Unsundered that Varis was right. We're rather lucky to have fought only 3 at separate times. One of whom lost his strength and mind due to constant body hopping, one was unsure of his path( kinda hoped he would fail) and the other one was only beat because we had help from another Ascian.


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