Pages that need the YMMV banner

If you run across a trope page that needs the new "Subjective" "Flamebait" or "YMMV" banner, please add it it, to make it easier to keep track of which ones still need it. Thank you.

Suetiful All Along. Also, if all the Mary Sue tropes aren't marked already, they should be.

{Adding the Mary Sue tropes — Madrugada}

• Thirty Sue Pile Up
• Parody Sue
• Fixer Sue
• Villain Sue
• Anti-Sue
• Sympathetic Sue
• Relationship Sue
• Copycat Sue
• Possession Sue
• Jerk Sue
• Mary Tzu
• God-Mode Sue
• Purity Sue
• Black Hole Sue

edited 20th Oct '10 4:32:15 PM by Madrugada

Disposable Woman (I think?)

I'd say Disposable Woman isn't a subjective or the like. It might be Natter Bait. It's a Character As A Device trope.

edited 16th Oct '10 1:40:58 PM by Deboss

Hide Your Lesbians. It's basically "Les Yay, but some people thinks that they should have gone all the way"

The following would be Audience Reaction Tropes, or YMMV, no?

• Epileptic Trees
• Fan Nickname

• Sweet Dreams Fuel
• Shipping?

edited 17th Oct '10 3:03:15 PM by suedenim

Shipping and nearly all of the Shipping Tropes should get the Audience Reaction banner. ("Nearly" because off the top of my head, Shipper on Deck shouldn't).

edited 17th Oct '10 3:16:49 PM by TripleElation

Popularity Polynomial = Audience Reaction?

^^ But wouldn't they be perfectly objective on fanfiction work pages?

Values Dissonance

It's the Same, Now It Sucks!

edited 20th Oct '10 4:33:48 PM by Madrugada

^^^ Fine, we could make an exception for that case, but it's obviously not representative of bona fide fiction the rest of the stuff we deal with here, apart from fanfic. I mean, how about we also allow So Bad It's Horrible, since it's "objectively found" in youtube comments?

What An Idiot has the YMMV banner, but the subpages don't.

edited 20th Oct '10 4:34:39 PM by Madrugada

Follow-Up Failure

i shall keep lobbying for Ass Pull. maybe Scapegoat Creator? and the Character Alignment subpages (the main Character Alignment page does have the subjective banner).

Character Alignment when it isn't specified as it is sometimes on works based on D&D.

^ yes, of course. which makes of the majority of the usage on this wiki.

We're trying to get character alignment away from any characters that aren't intended to use the 2-axis good-evil, chaotic-lawful system. Trying to apply it to any complex or rounded character almost always causes arguments and natter.

• Internet Backdraft
• My Real Daddy?
• Dork Age
• Ink-Stain Adaptation = Audience Reaction?
• Motive Decay, as a subtrope to Character Derailment
• Story-Breaker Team-Up

edited 18th Oct '10 5:38:29 PM by suedenim

Er ... never mind

edited 18th Oct '10 10:17:05 PM by HersheleOstropoler

I think Motive Decay is objective, as the description notes, it can be an intentional Flanderization to tell an Aesop about how evil is pointless.

Can tropes be applied in both a subjective and an objective way, depending on how it's done? Hmm.

Also, similar question: is Adaptation Decay really subjective? If the original story was about a magic knight from a rich kingdom saving a princess, and then a movie version has the magic knight become a young militaman from a village, the rich kingdom a great empire, and the princess travels with him to defeat a great dragon, then wouldn't that be Adaptation Decay?

 ^DERAIL!

edited 19th Oct '10 8:44:44 AM by TheInferno

"Trying to apply it to any complex or rounded character almost always causes arguments and natter."

...soooo they should have the banner? yes?

^ i think all the Adaptation X tropes are subjective basically because of Trope Decay. Adaptation Distillation is supposed to be when the adaptation takes a complex story and simplifies it. people, however, keep using it to mean "this adaptation is better than the original," or at least it's better than some other adaptation... probably from the idea that simpler = better or just the fact that distilled liquor is, well, stronger.

similarly, Adaptation Decay is when the adaptation distorts certain key aspects of the story. the most common usage in the wiki, though, is that "this adaptation SUCKS." sure, that distortion of key elements can make the adaptation suck, but the trope isn't there to judge that. however, fans will be fans and so the trope is hopelessly subjective by now.

question: do we intend to get actions out of this thread? i would just add a bunch of these tropes to YMMV, but i don't know how to do that in cases where everything inside an index should have a banner.

No, because those tropes are not for well rounded characters. The alignment tropes ONLY apply to characters with their alignment stated.

This thread was made to list trope pages that need to have the banners added, so that they are easy for Eddie to find and he doesn't have to search the whole Trope Talk and Repair shop forums looking for them. It's not really the place to be discussion whether a page needs one or not. It should only be listed here once the decision is made.

edited 20th Oct '10 4:36:31 PM by Madrugada