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MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#8653: Jul 4th 2016 at 8:49:29 PM

OK, so... how does the analogy work here?

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EvaUnit01 Fandom Heretic Since: Mar, 2011 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
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#8654: Jul 4th 2016 at 9:42:14 PM

Because what you appear to be receiving doesn't seem to match up with what IANCE/others are sending.

Here's another way to put it, in context of the "debate" you and IANCE had going on last page: it doesn't matter how tough Char is, because Nanoha and all her buddies use a Power Limiter that enforces Set Swords to "Stun".

Even in the event that the Ace of Aces hit an unprotected Red Comet with a citybusting Starlight Breaker, it wouldn't cause any major lasting harm to him, because magic can have a selective damage output between targets, even within a single Wave-Motion Gun.

edited 4th Jul '16 9:49:37 PM by EvaUnit01

RBomber Since: Nov, 2010
#8655: Jul 5th 2016 at 12:41:00 AM

It still quite hurt, though. Not to mention mental scar from having sustained artillery strike to your faces (Seriously. Most PTSD in WW 1 got worsened by all the sustained noise from artillery barrage. That's why rlthey called it "shell-shock"). Even if it's non-fatal.

NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#8656: Jul 5th 2016 at 6:02:42 AM

Someone remind me, what was the justification for Signum killing Zest even though magic is explicitly As Lethal as It Needs to Be in the Nanoha-verse?

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Hyp3rB14d3 Since: Jan, 2001
#8657: Jul 5th 2016 at 6:22:03 AM

Magic is not explicitly non-lethal. It has limiters that can be used to make it non-lethal.

Also, pretty sure Zest was dying to begin with.

MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#8658: Jul 5th 2016 at 6:31:03 AM

[up][up][up] FINALLY! Someone who is on the same page as I am!

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NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#8659: Jul 5th 2016 at 6:57:24 AM

[up][up]Right, that's why I used As Lethal as It Needs to Be ("weapons or attacks that seem to jump between lethal and non-lethal as the plot demands") rather than Set Swords to "Stun" (characters taking should-be-lethal wounds but merely being "defeated" due to game mechanics). It's lethal if the characters want it to be, and not if they don't, but can blast through scenery either way.

Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.
EvaUnit01 Fandom Heretic Since: Mar, 2011 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
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#8660: Jul 5th 2016 at 8:54:44 AM

Char's been through three cataclysmic wars.

If a nine-year-old Dark Magical Girl can go through her life without mental scarring from Nanoha's excessive Beam Spam, I feel reasonably assured that - with some time to adapt to the setting first - Char could do the same.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#8661: Jul 5th 2016 at 2:30:29 PM

Furthermore, Nanoha's Beams of Pink Destruction aren't Death Beams of Traumatic Experiences, they're Death Beams of Befriending. Char won't be traumatized, even if he's hit by the biggest Starlight Breaker EX Nanoha can possibly fire, Genkidama style. He'll be befriended by it.

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MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#8662: Jul 5th 2016 at 2:35:08 PM

Try telling that to the Darkness of the Book of Darkness, Quattro, and those few other villains who were on the receiving end of her Pink Beam of All-Consuming Agony and did not go through a Heel–Face Turn afterwards. Though you'd be hard pressed to get the first one's input, given that it's... you know, Deader than Dead.

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EvaUnit01 Fandom Heretic Since: Mar, 2011 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
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#8663: Jul 5th 2016 at 2:36:11 PM

Granted, the Combat Cyborg who shares an alias with him shows that the Giant Pink Deathbeam of Befriending isn't 100% infallible, but at worst Char just gets tossed in prison with Scaglietti and the other Numbers who didn't pull a Face-turn.

EDIT: semi-[nja]

edited 5th Jul '16 2:36:47 PM by EvaUnit01

Hoki Since: Nov, 2011
#8664: Jul 5th 2016 at 2:52:50 PM

Besides, the pink-beams-of befriending only work if Nanoha has a chance to talk with the person in question and discuss why they're doing what they're doing. The exception is Dieci, who's already a good person deep down anyway and was just doing her job.

You remember what Nanoha first did to Quattro when she saw the smug bitch touched Vivio's skin? She fired, without warning or attack calling, She just fired. Okay, that Quattro was a hologram, but still, you do not mess with Nanoha. It might be played as a Running Gag on the omakes, but as Quattro can attest, if you mess with Nanoha, she will find you and deliver a pink beam of OVERKILL..

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#8665: Jul 5th 2016 at 3:02:29 PM

And since the befriending effect failed, it proceeded to only defeat them and do otherwise all of jack shit to their mental state.

Because being hit with the Starlight Breaker isn't a particularly traumatic experience.

Furthermore, there is no 'Darkness of the Book of Darkness'. It's just a corrupted computer program. Of course you can't befriend it, it doesn't think.

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Hoki Since: Nov, 2011
#8666: Jul 5th 2016 at 3:16:18 PM

Because being hit with the Starlight Breaker isn't a particularly traumatic experience.

You say that because you've never been hit by one.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#8667: Jul 5th 2016 at 3:39:16 PM

No, I say that because nobody who was hit by it was traumatized by it.

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Hoki Since: Nov, 2011
#8668: Jul 5th 2016 at 4:15:33 PM

Define "traumatized"? Do you expect people hit by Starlight Breaker to behave or react in a certain way, say like suffering from PTSD at the mere sight of Nanoha?

edited 5th Jul '16 4:17:34 PM by Hoki

EvaUnit01 Fandom Heretic Since: Mar, 2011 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
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#8669: Jul 5th 2016 at 4:39:06 PM

Neither Fate nor Vivio, the most memorable/notable Starlight Breaker "survivors", appear to have suffered any significant long-lasting harm. And both of them were in fairly/comparatively psychologically vulnerable states at the time.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#8670: Jul 5th 2016 at 5:13:47 PM

They probably have comforting memories or dreams of being hit with it.

I can only imagine that at the Midchildan equivalent of Christmas, they sit next to a warm fire and recount the times they were struck by Nanoha's pink beams of friendship.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
Hoki Since: Nov, 2011
#8671: Jul 5th 2016 at 5:41:58 PM

Well, there was a sound stage that featured Fate and Vivio discussing their Starlight Breaker experience (there's a quote about it on Nanoha's character sheet). I think Dieci even recounts her "befriending" during Sound Stage X. Well, all of them became good guys anyway.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#8672: Jul 5th 2016 at 6:13:42 PM

I forget, which one of the Sound Stages ships Nanoha and Yuuno and implies that Fate is deliberately remaining away so she can give them 'room'?

Because that one's one big load of bullshit.

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EvaUnit01 Fandom Heretic Since: Mar, 2011 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
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#8673: Jul 5th 2016 at 6:18:06 PM

I've heard that the creative team for the anime and team for the Sound Stages were having their own shipping war at one point in time.

Which, really, should tell you pretty much everything you need to know.

NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#8674: Jul 5th 2016 at 6:40:29 PM

The way I'm running things in my fic, magic basically does what you want it to, since it's being mentally directed by the mage anyway. So it's not that magic can't be used to kill people, it's that (unlike mass weapons), they can be used to not kill people if the mage doesn't want their targets dead. That's why spells will do Clothing Damage and its target on their ass, but not so much as singe their hair despite being powerful enough to level buildings. The mage casting the spell wants the target defeated without doing any long-term damage, so that's what the spell does.

Amuro, whose combat experience is entirely in no-holds-barred fights where non-lethal takedowns aren't an option and his life and the lives of his friends depend on him killing the other guy before the other guy kills him, is going to have trouble with this concept.

Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.
IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#8675: Jul 5th 2016 at 6:48:18 PM

But you don't need to do that. Because the kill switch safety is on the Devices.

[up][up]IIRC, it's less 'shipping war between teams' and more 'disagreement'.

The voice actresses, IIRC, are on the yuri side.

edited 5th Jul '16 6:50:43 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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