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Bassweasel Since: Nov, 2018
#38551: Sep 15th 2020 at 12:01:37 AM

One would have to be willfully blind to what’s happening in the US if they believe the looters are what is threatening the stability of that nation right now. And I say this as a non-American.

Precisely.

Hexapodia Since: Jun, 2016
#38552: Sep 15th 2020 at 1:29:05 AM

One would have to be willfully blind to the situation in Europe to believe the assassination of some half-assed Austrian archduke could threaten the stability of an entire continent.

Edited by Hexapodia on Sep 15th 2020 at 2:07:20 AM

hayate666 New England Devil Stork Conservationist Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
New England Devil Stork Conservationist
#38553: Sep 15th 2020 at 2:19:13 AM

Damn, the US must be in trouble with all those government endorsed Tumblr stereotypes looting and pillaging everywhere!

I don't understand why he's so focused on getting this image out.

And worst of all? Tats has copy pasted a new brick wall in and it makes me sad. sad

Eggmaster Nope from Somewhere Since: Jun, 2019 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
Nope
#38554: Sep 15th 2020 at 2:24:04 AM

[up][up] I do see your point but isn’t that too drastic of a comparison? Looters stealing and vandalizing, as bad as it is, can’t be put on the same level as a planned assassination attempt.

Until someone in the US goes out and murders a politician, it’s an “apples to oranges” comparison. Then again, I’m no expert on American politics and happenings, so correct me if I’m wrong.

Edited by Eggmaster on Sep 15th 2020 at 11:24:18 AM

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#38555: Sep 15th 2020 at 2:26:49 AM

Honestly considering how 2020's gone so far, I wouldn't be surprised if someone tried to murder a politician by the end of the year.

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hayate666 New England Devil Stork Conservationist Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
New England Devil Stork Conservationist
#38556: Sep 15th 2020 at 2:38:16 AM

[up][up] It's probably a lot harder when you're actually living in it instead of looking at it from another part of the world and it's hard to predict beforehand where things are going to go. I'd keep the real life discussion out of it and focus it on Sinfest.

What's more interesting to me to discuss is why Tats chooses to present what's happening in the US right now as this. He's pretending that all the looting is done by some white male Tumblr stereotypes with endorsement by the personification of the USA itself.

Why? What's his endgame here?

Eggmaster Nope from Somewhere Since: Jun, 2019 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
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#38557: Sep 15th 2020 at 3:06:26 AM

[up] Yes, you’re right.

About Tats’ endgame: unless it was a shading effect, he did put a black man in an earlier strip showing looters, so he’s not above criticizing non-whites. Speaking of which: remember that one strip where a fembot went Woke Mode against Slick and brought up his past sexism/racism/problematic behavior, while at the same time behaving like a regular fembot when a black man came by?

I now believe it was indeed a dig at the “woke” who give non-whites a pass, while only chastizing white people. Unless Tats actually believes only whites can be bigots, which would be too asinine even for him.

Gibson35 King Kitty from Hunting in the jungle for s'mores Since: Dec, 2018 Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
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#38558: Sep 15th 2020 at 3:55:46 AM

There have been assassination attempts against politicians fairly recently. Not international ones as country verses country, but ideological ones. A British man (Micheal Steven Stanford) tried to assassinate Trump during his 2016 bid. I forget the name of the person as well, but a radical left-winger tried to assassinate a politician at a ball game only a few years ago. Then we had Cesar Sayoc who tried to send pipe bombs to several Democrat politicians.

In all honesty, I would say it feels like we are heading to a civil war at times, but I think the ones who are going out there fighting each other are still just the fringe groups. But honestly, it's just gang warfare for "adults".

But enough of politics.

I was trying to find the comic itself for a while, but I think I have to give up. I found it before though. It's a Sunday strip where it takes place in a western setting and it's a line of women being carted Django style. It was supposed to support my assertion that Tatsuya's mentality at this moment is that women are the most oppressed group over all others, including black, Jewish, middle-eastern, what-have-you. He is NOT brave (or foolish) enough to say that out loud, lest it make him look like a dick. Because ANYONE can PLAINLY see that African-Americans are having the roughest time out of everyone in America.

As I stated before and to put it plainly: he most likely feels that while African-Americans are disadvantaged, he probably believes all women are still slaves.

Edited by Gibson35 on Sep 15th 2020 at 3:59:43 AM

I just came to talk about how horrible Sinfest is.
Mara999 International Man of Mystery from Grim Up North Since: Sep, 2020 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
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#38559: Sep 15th 2020 at 4:00:04 AM

With Tats' art style it is difficult to tell the ethnicity of most characters, but the Cartoonist's ex looks white. Perhaps Tats' ex (or ex-friend he wishes was his ex-gf) was white, which would go together with how his brand of radfem seems to favour white women. It's pretty likely that Tats has a massive chip against both white and black men, because Asian men are pretty much never portrayed in media as romantically or sexually desirable compared to them. Quite often also in situations where the women are Asian. He seems to despise white men a bit more, because even he appears to understand that black and white men aren't treated equally. But with his current reaction to BLM, it might be that he's most of all incensed by black people getting genuine sympathy and taking the spotlight from him.

I think a core issue is that he's even more ruffled over that people of East Asian descent tend to be seen as "model immigrants", at least compared to groups with darker skin, which might give him a lifelong complex of being seen as "safe" and "harmless". Tats portraying himself via the Cartoonist as a nerdy shut-in implies to me that he was viewed like this by women in his youth. I believe he has always had a strong desire to be taken seriously, both as an artist and as a person, as well as a man. But at some point attention became more important than gaining respect, which has become increasingly toxic with people rejecting his attempts to show how awesome he is.

Hexapodia Since: Jun, 2016
#38560: Sep 15th 2020 at 4:24:22 AM

I forget the name of the person as well, but a radical left-winger tried to assassinate a politician at a ball game only a few years ago.

U.S. House Majority Whip Steve Scalise, 2017.

My point, expressed none too clearly, was that small causes can have big effects.

In the case of Sinfest, my hunch — and it's only a hunch — is that Tats suddenly turned against the protesters and rioters as the result of something personal. I think the riots must have threatened Tats or someone close to him.

Remember Leon the Firebomber? He was a Good Guy, before this year's turmoil. But we haven't seen him lately, have we?

Tats tends to lump everyone and everything he doesn't like into one grand conspiracy. He hates wokesters, probably because they aren't TERFS, and he now hates rioters ... Behold the Woke Rioters!

Edited by Hexapodia on Sep 15th 2020 at 4:25:45 AM

hayate666 New England Devil Stork Conservationist Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
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#38561: Sep 15th 2020 at 4:59:40 AM

[up] I'm imagining it to be something extremely petty.

Being rebellious and wanting to overthrow the Patriarchy with violence is nice and all, but if they suddenly torch your favourite Starbucks it's time to strike back!

NeedsAirCon from Access Denied....Human Since: Aug, 2018 Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
#38562: Sep 15th 2020 at 5:39:23 AM

It's quite simple

Some of his woke ex-fans tried to get him banned from Twitter so he's frenziedly trying to smear as much <radio edit> on their political and social views as possible via his webcomic

He's got consistent form for lashing out at his former fans and any critics via his webcomic and, quite frankly, I don't know why anyone is suprised?

Has there been any case where Tats has ever acted with maturity as opposed to being as much of a petty tyrant and bully as he can be when it comes to any kind of criticism?

He turned like a rabid dog on his first set of fans labelling them all dudebros, he's turned on his second set of fans labelling them all johnbies and is now labelling them wokebros and wokefem traitorbots

Every time Tats changes his viewpoint he repudiates his previous self and starts <radio edit> ing all over the fans he gathered who thought like he did before he changed

My opinion is he's slowly starting to turn on feminism in general with the realisation most feminists think he's wrong. He's already started with the wokebots being "the enemy" to his incomic "True Believers (tm)".

I'm guessing that eventually he's going to turn on radical feminism too but that's probably a good few months down the line

Edited by NeedsAirCon on Sep 15th 2020 at 12:42:04 PM

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Hexapodia Since: Jun, 2016
#38563: Sep 15th 2020 at 5:54:52 AM

[up] I don't think he'll turn on radical feminism soon, although I look forward to being proved wrong.

Do you follow Tats' twitter posts? He's done a couple of tributes to Magdalen Berns, a recently deceased radfem whose rather extreme views seem to track many of Sinfest's themes for the past four or five years.

Metalix Since: Apr, 2012
#38564: Sep 15th 2020 at 7:44:13 AM

[up]I'm pretty certain she's also the basis of Fuschia's sketch of Monique's face from awhile back.

hayate666 New England Devil Stork Conservationist Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
New England Devil Stork Conservationist
#38565: Sep 15th 2020 at 9:33:30 AM

[up] It's very creepy. Giving off some stalker vibes there!

Mara999 International Man of Mystery from Grim Up North Since: Sep, 2020 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
International Man of Mystery
#38566: Sep 15th 2020 at 10:34:04 AM

[up]Wouldn't surprise me if he somehow fell for her, despite their very incompatible orientations. Hell, it probably made him all the more interested.

Edited by Mara999 on Sep 15th 2020 at 9:28:47 PM

Hexapodia Since: Jun, 2016
#38567: Sep 15th 2020 at 12:31:13 PM

[up] My guess — again, only a guess! — is that Tats has a daughter, now in her mid-twenties, who is a radfem lesbian, and that the current version of Monique is an insert for her. Remember when Monique declared "The sun is out, and so am I" and God Himself blessed Monique's relationship with Absinthe? I view that as a particularly unsubtle tip of the hat to her.

Anyway, I suspect that this hypothetical daughter might be the one who was the original fan of Magdalen Berns, and Tats has bought into the hero worship.

But I might be wrong. That has happened several times in my life.

Edited by Hexapodia on Sep 15th 2020 at 12:34:10 PM

Mara999 International Man of Mystery from Grim Up North Since: Sep, 2020 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
International Man of Mystery
#38568: Sep 15th 2020 at 12:37:45 PM

[up]Wow. That might actually make all of this genuinely sad, rather than if he were doing it to impress an ex. As a father myself, I'm trying to picture what circumstances could have made him willing to adopt this particular political ideology to win and retain the love of his daughter.

Gibson35 King Kitty from Hunting in the jungle for s'mores Since: Dec, 2018 Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
King Kitty
#38569: Sep 15th 2020 at 2:06:56 PM

[up] Agreed. With you and Hexopedia. Oftentimes, I find the explanation that humanizes the person being examined tends to be closer to the truth. People have their biases, but most don't do things unless they have a good reason that's personal to themselves. I still think he's a narcissist (unfortunately in this day and age of social media, I think any controversial figures develop this narcissism out of necessity; having to argue to thousands of people daily has a weird effect on your basic Maslow Hierarchy of needs). When you have that level of narcissism, the only thing that will change your mind is if something happens to you or someone you care about.

I just came to talk about how horrible Sinfest is.
Mara999 International Man of Mystery from Grim Up North Since: Sep, 2020 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
International Man of Mystery
#38570: Sep 15th 2020 at 2:14:15 PM

If that hypothetical scenario turns out to be correct, I think I'm more willing to pity Tats than resent him. If the relationship with my child would end up as rocky as I suspect it could be for Tats and his hypothetical daughter, then I would probably also be very desperate about getting their affection back.

Hexapodia Since: Jun, 2016
#38571: Sep 15th 2020 at 3:52:33 PM

I think the timing of Monique's evolution is interesting and perhaps enlightening.

  • She started out in 2000 as a foil for Slick and his ambitions of being a superpimp. She was a self-proclaimed slut who nevertheless wouldn't have anything to do with him. She was pretty much a generic character.

  • By the mid-2000s she had evolved into an idealistic young woman with some internal contradictions. She marched in peace demonstrations and became a vegetarian. She had a sense of humor and often tweaked Slick with well-honed sarcasm. She enjoyed dressing up and loved feminine clothes. She would have dated Slick if (A) he hadn't acted like a jerk, (B) he hadn't been falsely accused of acting like a jerk, or (C) the devil girls hadn't actively conspired on more than one occasion to keep them apart. She enjoyed having men lust after her, but she never went any further than that. Oh, and at about this time she started having painful menstrual cramps (something most male cartoonists don't think about and wouldn't consider as a subject for sympathetic humor). She seemed sort of like a young teenage girl, no?

  • In October 2011, she suddenly became a radical feminist, cut her hair, and dressed androgynously. She began to blame everything wrong with the world on men and Teh Patriarchy. She completely severed her relationship with Slick over something that should have been a minor spat. Rather like a mid- or late-teen who has discovered feminism and perhaps taken a Women's Studies course in college or even in high school, I'd say. And suddenly she could do no wrong.

  • A couple of years after that, she started a lesbian relationship with Absinthe, and a couple of years after that she was out-and-proud about it. And even now she still has painful periods.

I think that much of Monique's character arc was based on a real person.

Edited by Hexapodia on Aug 20th 2021 at 7:15:07 AM

NeedsAirCon from Access Denied....Human Since: Aug, 2018 Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
#38572: Sep 15th 2020 at 8:04:38 PM

https://www.sinfest.net/view.php?date=2020-09-16

And lo, a time of miracles is upon you and us all

For once Tats is right

"Oh Man"

P.S. Enough with the billboards driving the plot/strip already!

Edited by NeedsAirCon on Sep 15th 2020 at 3:06:22 PM

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Hexapodia Since: Jun, 2016
#38573: Sep 15th 2020 at 9:08:18 PM

Here's an odd thing: "Nana"* seems to be only a few years older than Hekate, if that — they were in Witch School together, along with Lilith. But Hekate still looks middle-aged at best, while "Nana" definitely looks grandmotherly ... and apparently IS a grandmother, with Xanthe her granddaughter, but we've never seen "Nana" pregnant or with kids in the Witch School era or any time thereafter.

Hekate's son Vainglorious looks to be about 20 years old. Xanthe seems to be at least ten and she engages in all sorts of non-sexual teenage shenanigans; some claim that she must be an adult based on her appearance in the Reality Zone.

How can the three-generation chronology of [Nana -> Nana's son or daughter -> Xanthe] be reconciled with the two generations of [Hekate -> Vainglorious]?
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* We still don't know "Nana's" real name!

RainehDaze Nero Fangirl (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
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#38574: Sep 15th 2020 at 9:14:42 PM

If he didn't think everyone was frustrated with this year I would be even more concerned. [lol]

firewriter Since: Dec, 2016
#38575: Sep 15th 2020 at 9:33:37 PM

I guess Squig is going to be a cougar hunter.


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