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Gibson35 King Kitty from Hunting in the jungle for s'mores Since: Dec, 2018 Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
King Kitty
#33226: Jul 14th 2019 at 8:39:10 PM

Looks like he's pulling away from disassociation to mind control. Speaking of which, someone brought up MK Ultra in the past (months ago). Is the comic being pulled back into that territory again?

I remember. It was JDM Leverton, I believe.

Edited by Gibson35 on Jul 14th 2019 at 9:39:06 AM

I just came to talk about how horrible Sinfest is.
Garvalan Since: Nov, 2010
#33227: Jul 14th 2019 at 8:40:00 PM

What exactly are you doing, Tats?

Hexapodia Since: Jun, 2016
#33228: Jul 14th 2019 at 8:41:40 PM

Pffttt. That's nothing, Tats! Why, in my time, I've not only intimidated women into saying that they actually enjoyed sexual intercourse, I've intimidated them into initiating it!

I know that seems unbelievable to you, Tats ... but such is the strength of my Oppressive Patriarchal Privilege!

Hexapodia Since: Jun, 2016
#33229: Jul 14th 2019 at 8:52:42 PM

MarqFJA wrote:

He's probably thinking that "White" simply means "person with 'white'-colored skin". It's... a lot more complicated than that.

And to some, it's as simple as that. To hear them tell it, there are exactly two races: whites, and People of Color.

Because everyone knows that Koreans and Nigerians and Uighurs and Turks and Filipinos and Navajo and Iranians and Sudanese and Egyptians and Haitians and Pardo Cariocas and Hindus and Xhosa and Ainu all have identical histories and aspirations and needs.

Edited by Hexapodia on Jul 14th 2019 at 8:55:12 AM

Gibson35 King Kitty from Hunting in the jungle for s'mores Since: Dec, 2018 Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
King Kitty
#33230: Jul 14th 2019 at 8:56:13 PM

[up][up](Deep thematic gasp) You monster!

I guess I can't really judge though. I mean, I had the gall to propose to my wife and then she fell for my trap and said yes. Just as the patriarchy intended!

https://www.sinfest.net/view.php?date=2013-01-20

[down] I had the original on the Sega Genesis. I really loved that obscure little game.

Edited by Gibson35 on Jul 14th 2019 at 9:40:28 AM

I just came to talk about how horrible Sinfest is.
Metalix Since: Apr, 2012
#33231: Jul 14th 2019 at 9:26:21 PM

I think I've found a good song that sums up what's going on in Tats' head right now.

firewriter Since: Dec, 2016
#33232: Jul 14th 2019 at 10:17:29 PM

He's pointlessly meandering again.

BiggyC Since: Jul, 2014
#33233: Jul 14th 2019 at 10:54:56 PM

Two things why do I even read crapfest anymore, And I hate tat.

Hexapodia Since: Jun, 2016
#33234: Jul 15th 2019 at 12:51:54 AM

[up] The Fascination of the Train Wreck.

hayate666 New England Devil Stork Conservationist Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
New England Devil Stork Conservationist
#33235: Jul 15th 2019 at 2:32:57 AM

It's back to the zombies again now?

I wonder why "say you like it" has become so important for Tats that he has been straw-manning it for weeks now.

Does he honestly believe that this is what his detractors think when they talk about prostitution needing to be legal and free agency for the people involved?

Tats is either too stupid to understand nuance or willfully twisting other viewpoints because he can't refute them. Perhaps both. Probably both!

Gibson35 King Kitty from Hunting in the jungle for s'mores Since: Dec, 2018 Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
King Kitty
#33236: Jul 15th 2019 at 3:01:56 AM

[up] Definitely it is the twisting of viewpoints. He is honestly a smart type, but he is definitely a competitive type. Winning is his thing and he will achieve it through any means necessary. In this case that will be by removing the opposing side's opinion entirely and then setting up a straw man for him to knock down.

In his mind his opinion is true and thought out and we are acting irrationally, or at least we are heading in the wrong direction. That doesn't mean he won't listen to reason though; it has to come from someone he trusts (that's a very small pool of people, likely given how introverted he is and he has mostly likely surrounded himself with people who think like he does) or it has to feel like sincere, genuine help.

The backlash from his TERF line of comics must have been massive. Way beyond all the normal channels we see. I notice when people challenge his viewpoints he will drop his story line to mock his opponents for weeks at a time. I mean, he STILL DID that, but he dropped it completely after a certain point. Almost all at once.

It probably wore him out.

Him moving back to the SWERF thing is probably more manageable than staying TERF. People aren't going to be as virulent over the formal topic, it seems. I think he'll stay away from TERF stuff for a long, long time.

To answer it more succintly: yes, he does believe that. He believes that if you believe in anything other than his opinion you are mostly likely motivated by baser motives. He is essentially calling his opponents White Knights who don't have women's best interests at heart.

Edited by Gibson35 on Jul 15th 2019 at 3:24:41 AM

I just came to talk about how horrible Sinfest is.
NeedsAirCon from Access Denied....Human Since: Aug, 2018 Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
#33237: Jul 15th 2019 at 3:12:28 AM

[up]Certainly both!

Tats NEVER considers other viewpoints as worthy of thought or represents them honestly. Instead he just strawmans til he just can't strawman no more

It's the reason why his "forum" is not for debate and more an echo chamber for his ego

Anyone else get a Charlie and the Choclate factory oompa-loompa song vibe from the latest strip? 3rd panel especially

Forgive me for this, ah, musical interlude but I just had to. The muse commanded and I but obeyed: -

"Oompa-loompa, do-ba-dee-doo

Tat's got another brainwashing for her

Oompa Loompa, do-ba-dee-dee,

If you are wise he won't listen to you.

Who do you blame when Tats is a TERF?

Spreading Hatred and Propaganda for all that he's worth?

Bullying minorities for a living is a lie and a shame

We all know exactly who's to blame:

Tatsuya Ishida!

Oompa Loompa doompadee dah

If you're a complete madman then you will go far

From the unlit basement to under the bridge

Like the Oompa Loompa doompadee don't do"

Orginal source of lyircs: https://www.lyricsondemand.com/w/willywonkalyrics/oompaloompasongslyrics.html

Edited by NeedsAirCon on Jul 15th 2019 at 10:14:19 AM

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HermelinGraduate Since: Aug, 2017
#33238: Jul 15th 2019 at 3:43:24 AM

So has anyone told Tats that women generally don't get into prostitution because random assholes on the street told them to?

It's getting to a point where I'm starting to feel insulted. I'm really trying not to blame the victim for any of this but I'm a woman, and Sinfest keeps depicting women who are "trapped" in these terrible, degrading situations, under the control of these terrible, disgusting men, for no other reason than because a man said so.

The series is called "Threats" but... there aren't any. Plenty of gross dudes giving orders, but unless you count Pimp-bot's giant mecha existence as a threat (which it is, but it's a threat to literally everything around it, and it gets destroyed), the women being abused aren't being forced, they're just being constantly told to obey and they do. And then the author has the gall to call their agency and personal choice into question because he wrote a comic where women are so brainless and weak-willed that they'll have sex with the undead just because a man told them to?

And where is the Sisterhood in all this? They can hack systems and kill drones and build playgrounds, but they can't evacuate hookers from a known hooker stroll? If the comic takes the stance that no woman could ever choose this (even though they clearly are choosing it because they're being told do do something and then they just do it, and if there's anything else influencing her actions the comic chooses not to depict them, apparently) then why do the Sisterhood not just rescue the prostitutes? They clearly have the firepower and the narrative is on their side.

Edited by HermelinGraduate on Jul 15th 2019 at 3:43:54 AM

NeedsAirCon from Access Denied....Human Since: Aug, 2018 Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
#33239: Jul 15th 2019 at 3:48:02 AM

[up]Because if all women (except extreme rad fems) aren't docile, passive, victims then Tats entire misogynistic worldview falls flat on it's arse

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Gibson35 King Kitty from Hunting in the jungle for s'mores Since: Dec, 2018 Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
King Kitty
#33240: Jul 15th 2019 at 11:33:38 AM

[up][up] My wife noted that too. It makes her mad. She basically said the exact things you did line for line.

Hell, sometimes it seems like he's saying women in those professions deserve the fate they get.

In terms of the art of the comic and its symbolism, I will give Tatsuya a thumbs up. My interpretation is that the Johns who passed through her or circling her were sexual encounters. I think he meant to portray it as a passage of time and that was how she came to be brainwashed.

Very dark comic if you think about it that way.

Still, disassociation doesn't mean that you "learn to love it." That's not how it works...if he's still even trying to approach that angle.

Then enters Needs Aircons interpretation which is accurate. He can't have a strong prostitute. That shatters his worldview.

Edited by Gibson35 on Jul 15th 2019 at 11:52:48 AM

I just came to talk about how horrible Sinfest is.
Hexapodia Since: Jun, 2016
#33241: Jul 15th 2019 at 12:30:35 PM

And where is the Sisterhood in all this? They can hack systems and kill drones and build playgrounds, but they can't evacuate hookers from a known hooker stroll? If the comic takes the stance that no woman could ever choose this [...] then why do the Sisterhood not just rescue the prostitutes? They clearly have the firepower and the narrative is on their side.

That's something I've been saying for years. Instead of actually helping the women in distress, the Sisterhood prefers to engage in pointless acts of virtue signalling.

The Sisterhood has been shown to have vast resources, including an actual BatCave. They own or rent trucks. They can build magical flying trikes. They seem to have unlimited cash.

So has it ever occurred to Xanthe or the others that if the hookers are held in thrall to the Pimp by their debts, then paying off their debts might be a more effective course of action than hacking TV programs to annoy dudebros?

The incidents that have had the greatest effect on women were carried out by others, typically the Assassinbots.

Edited by Hexapodia on Jul 15th 2019 at 12:35:35 PM

Pfhorrest Since: Apr, 2011
#33242: Jul 15th 2019 at 12:38:24 PM

This comic that Gibson posted last page:

https://www.sinfest.net/view.php?date=2013-04-06

Reminds me that the in-comic Cartoonist has a Fanboy who is drawing his own comics, and that in turn seems to lend credence to the theory I've seen floated here that maybe it isn't even Tats himself writing the comic anymore. Though the continued existence of The Cartoonist in recent comics, like the one where his house was beset by angry trans-zombies(?), would seem to counter that.

Adannor (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#33243: Jul 15th 2019 at 1:22:29 PM

"Hell, sometimes it seems like he's saying women in those professions deserve the fate they get."

He can't decide if he wants the hookers be representing the oppression of women by the patriarchy or the "collaborators" with said oppression (by trying to legalize prostitution)

Hexapodia Since: Jun, 2016
#33244: Jul 15th 2019 at 5:02:53 PM

[up][up] Reminds me that the in-comic Cartoonist has a Fanboy who is drawing his own comics, and that in turn seems to lend credence to the theory I've seen floated here that maybe it isn't even Tats himself writing the comic anymore.

I wouldn't say that someone else is drawing or writing the comic, but I think it's possible that Tats is taking suggestions from someone close to him. That person might be offering "corrections" to proposed comics and storylines, and might even have veto/censor power over the comics.

Miko "educating" Theo about what is acceptable and what isn't might be an indication of this. (Meanwhile, Miko keeps drawing Vagina Dentata Woman comics.)

If Tats is making the first drafts of comics available on his Patreon, we might be able to determine whether there's anything to the hypothesis ... if we cared enough to contribute money to his Patreon, that is. I don't.

Edited by Hexapodia on Jul 15th 2019 at 5:05:55 AM

HermelinGraduate Since: Aug, 2017
#33245: Jul 15th 2019 at 6:57:31 PM

On the one hand, the answer to a lot the "why don't they x" questions is "because they're based on political concepts and can only change as much as society does", with the Sisterhood being ineffective and the Patriarchy remaining unaffected by their harassment.

On the other hand, the politics are now embodied by and integrated into an entire working society. The story arcs are often centered on the actions of people that represent certain concepts or ideology, and seeing them judged as good or bad depending on how well they mesh with the radfem ideology Tats is focused on. This isn't just a vague playground of ideas-as-people anymore, this is a fully-functional setting with a timeline and everything. There should be fully-formed story arcs to go with them.

But the politics must come first, it seems.

Hexapodia Since: Jun, 2016
#33246: Jul 15th 2019 at 10:33:13 PM

[up] Good point! The "characters" are really archetypes, not people, and archetypes can't change. So the Prostituted Orphan Girl doesn't need a name, she IS all prostituted orphans everywhere, and as long as there are prostituted orphans anywhere she will be what she is.

Overlord347 Since: May, 2013
#33247: Jul 15th 2019 at 11:29:25 PM

https://www.sinfest.net/

Oh hi God. I was wondering where you've been.

alarkhar Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: Desperate
#33248: Jul 16th 2019 at 12:29:44 AM

You know Tats is scraping the bottom of the barrel when he needs GOD to shill his preachy message. And before you say "God in Sinfest has always acted like that"... well, he didn't do the divine equivalent of emptying a gun on the audience as a punchline.

Platypi hold the secret to happiness.
Gibson35 King Kitty from Hunting in the jungle for s'mores Since: Dec, 2018 Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
King Kitty
#33249: Jul 16th 2019 at 12:29:55 AM

Sinfest as a political comic. That does make a LOT of sense and I had that feeling about it before. And people only tend to like political comics if it agrees with their politics. He just happened to choose the smallest group possible that enjoys those politics.

And I think today's comic is pretty funny. I can't help but think it is his response to criticism though, which is, once again, reductionist. Not to mention that it is also avoidance. It's kind of like him saying, "It takes one to know one".

I just came to talk about how horrible Sinfest is.
hayate666 New England Devil Stork Conservationist Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
New England Devil Stork Conservationist
#33250: Jul 16th 2019 at 12:47:13 AM

Even the old characters that are rarely seen are becoming infected with the zombie virus. It's like a plague of terrible writing!

Replace the word "sexy" with "a good writer" and you have a realistic depiction of Tats reading comments about Sinfest.

[up][up][up] Proper link to the daily comic: https://www.sinfest.net/view.php?date=2019-07-16

Edited by hayate666 on Jul 16th 2019 at 9:48:08 PM


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