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TheRustyBullet An Amazingly Apathetic Adolescent from way down there. Since: Aug, 2012
An Amazingly Apathetic Adolescent
#12851: Sep 4th 2012 at 5:50:28 AM

Lurker since page 460 here.

Looks like Kyon found something more effective than an alarm clock.

edited 4th Sep '12 5:53:58 AM by TheRustyBullet

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Specular Since: Sep, 2011
#12852: Sep 4th 2012 at 12:59:09 PM

I will try to keep this post short or at least avoid my usual Wall of Text after a chapter update.


Now we have a bunch of tropes related to Shinobu. From the top of my head: Retired Badass, Polar Opposite Twins, The Atoner, Revenge by Proxy and Subverted Murder by Mistake (?). I would also include Offscreen Moment of Awesome because I really want to know how she convinced Tsuruya-sama of (silently) allowing the polyamory.

Now I think about it, from Tsuruya-sama's PoV, someone like Kyon should have sounded too good to be true. An uninvolved Badass Bystander willing to help your daughter to deal with a "distinction" entailing some dangerous investigation while, as far as your experienced senses can tell you, honestly expecting nothing in return, not even money? There's always a catch and in this case we could say that "no good deed goes unnoticed".


I don't think anyone bet on her being Tsuruya's aunt, either.

I did. IINM, Mad Kitsu was the first one to state it, though.


His mother rolled her eyes while Kyon just wondered when his sister had become so devious.

She is learning from the best. The Brigade's influence is definitely starting to show.


Recycling a post:

"Hmm, I'll allow it," Haruhi decreed, nodding. "That's insanely cute! Can you just imagine her sitting like that and reading a book?"

I have to agree with Haruhi there (kudos if you take the time to track down the original picture).


I have more to say about the chapter but for now I will invoke a To Be Continued...



Unrelated addendum.

Recently I got a nice crop of the first pic of Miyoko I posted here some time ago.

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Silver from under a sandstone rock Since: Jan, 2001
#12853: Sep 4th 2012 at 1:06:52 PM

I have to agree with Haruhi there (kudos if you take the time to track down the original picture).

Doooo eeeeet.

edited 4th Sep '12 1:07:32 PM by Silver

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Eamil from Somewhere over there. Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
#12854: Sep 4th 2012 at 4:16:37 PM

I prefer the image of Yuki sitting sideways in his lap, one hand holding her book while the other arm is around his shoulders, occasionally reaching down to flip a page.

.............I wish my artist friend wasn't so busy, I really want a picture of that now.

Silver from under a sandstone rock Since: Jan, 2001
#12855: Sep 4th 2012 at 9:06:26 PM

Also, hello there, Rusty Bullet! Welcome to not-lurking.

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Jigaboo pink from atop a hill Since: Jun, 2011
pink
#12856: Sep 5th 2012 at 9:01:21 AM

The PDF file's gonna come in any minute now... [lol]

On fanservice, I take in equal amounts of both and end up with.... Huh. I can't think of a good port- porteaman- mix up name it seems.

I did naht.
Specular Since: Sep, 2011
#12857: Sep 5th 2012 at 10:42:19 AM

Where are my manners, Welcome Rusty Bullet! As per unofficial policy of this thread we must give you a warning: RUN!! It's too late for us. Escape by yourself.


I completely forgot about the PDF, actually. Here you go:

PDF version of the current edition (as of Sep 3rd, LL-6) of the story (4.97 MB, 1913 pages, 557460 + 6305 words).


More pictures.

After reading the draft of LL-6, I looked for images similar to the last one I posted without much success (these three pictures were the closest matches). This one in particular, albeit with characters of a different series and personality traits, is remarkable close to what I had in mind.


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Jbstormburst Since: May, 2011
#12858: Sep 5th 2012 at 4:25:17 PM

[up][up]I believe you are looking for the word portmanteau.

Also, thanks for the PDF, as always. Any news on the VN, though, since I'm pretty sure no one's heard anything here for a while.

edited 5th Sep '12 4:26:05 PM by Jbstormburst

JasonUlloa (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
#12859: Sep 5th 2012 at 6:11:05 PM

VN-wise, it's pretty slow-going. We're mostly hung up on artwork for characters without any sprites, e.g. Tsuruya-sama, Miyoko, etc. There is some progress, but not as much as we'd like with practically one artist to our name. (BTW, if anyone knows of any artists who'd like to lend a hand, even on commission*

, please let us know.)

Also, just updated Filraen's timeline to include the new chapter.

Also also, typo fixed.*

edited 5th Sep '12 7:20:33 PM by JasonUlloa

thedarkfreak Since: Jan, 2001
#12860: Sep 5th 2012 at 6:27:35 PM

^According to that timeline, Durandall's real name is Brial.

Specular Since: Sep, 2011
#12861: Sep 5th 2012 at 8:44:24 PM

I intended to edit my last post right away but...

Anyway. There are a lot of interesting things to comment about the last chapter*

. Let's start with Tsuruya.

It seems the kidnapping affected Tsuruya a lot. It makes sense if one considers that because of her upbringing she has an extensive knowledge of how bad things could have turned out for Haruhi and Sasaki.

Assuming that Tsuruya isn't acting only on emotions, I'm having trouble trying to figure out what she planning to do. At the moment Tsuruya can't mobilize any of forces of the Yamaguchi-gumi due to the Kumichou's orders and there is a limit to what Yuki can do without breaking The Masquerade. As I see it, anything she could accomplish there would make her look weak to the Sumiyoshi-rengo's eyes (like trying to negotiate or buy a truce or something along the lines) or it would get into trouble with the rest of the Yamaguchi-gumi later (like threatening their enemies and exacerbating the conflict) or both.

Maybe I'm looking at this wrong and Tsuruya is going for a less direct approach like blackmail or other under-the-table move while being careful that her actions can not be reliably tracked back to her. Alternatively, there is also the good old Refuge in Audacity to consider. I mean, if after warning the local boss against trying something directed to her friends and get laughed at, Tsuruya could ask Yuki to really go overboard and cause as much damage as possible to the operations of the Sumiyoshi-rengo taking place there, it's not that unthinkable that nobody would believe that two high school girls are really the ones responsible (Bonus Points if later they use Time Travel to create an alibi).

If the latter ends being true (very unlikely), then I have an Imagine Spot to propose: Put on the best show possible by getting Haruhi and Kyon to break havoc while dressed as a pair of hooded jedi and after emptying the premises they could ask Chuo-chan to make her best impression of a building implosion just to put the icing on the cake... Too much smile?

More seriously, even if I have some misgivings about Tsuruya's apparent course of action, I have to concede her this much: she knows how to do wrong right by calling up Yuki's help (which pretty much guaranties their safety against anything short of another Interface) and who knows, maybe a hologuised future!Kyon is waiting for them there.


It's kind of late where I live. See you later.


edit: typo.

edited 6th Sep '12 5:16:32 PM by Specular

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#12862: Sep 5th 2012 at 9:06:20 PM

Kindle version updated, now with a fancy table of contents that actually lists arc names and chapter titles!

Jbstormburst Since: May, 2011
#12863: Sep 5th 2012 at 9:26:54 PM

[up][up]I would agree with what you said absolutely (and yes, a building implosion is a bit much, especially considering Japan builds their city buildings to be earthquake proof), but Brian is primarily an author, and as such, he most likely knows that if he wants to keep the reader hooked, Murphy's Law has to go into effect at some point, and now is the perfect time for such a failure. Odds are that we'll see someone under Kimidori, or if they're really unlucky, one of the faction leaders. That, I fear, would end badly unless Suou Kuyou decides to pull off a Big Damn Heroes moment.

Eamil from Somewhere over there. Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
#12864: Sep 6th 2012 at 1:46:29 AM

I have to say I'm not really sure what's going on in Haruhi's head. On the surface it seems like she not only more or less ignored Shinobu's warning, but went out of her way to give Tsuruya time alone to do something by herself. That doesn't seem like her at all. She has to have some kind of plan here.

Heck if I know what it is though.

Grahf Since: Jan, 2001
#12865: Sep 6th 2012 at 1:55:53 AM

It's possible she didn't think Tsuruya would act this fast. I'm also not discounting that at some unseen point between when Yuki was called by Tsuruya and when Haruhi last interacted with Yuki "on-screen" so-to-speak, that Haruhi may have talked to Yuki and told her to not let Tsuruya do anything. It doesn't seem incredibly likely, but you never know.

Jigaboo pink from atop a hill Since: Jun, 2011
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#12866: Sep 6th 2012 at 3:28:14 AM

@Specular: Thanks for the PDF version! I really appreciate it. (^-^)/

I did naht.
MadKitsu Why do I need a title again? from Somewhere Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Mu
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#12867: Sep 6th 2012 at 4:39:35 AM

And on a somewhat unrelated note, I just came back from a Wiki Walk and found a very relevant trope that may happen to someone in the future...

The trope in question is "Giving Up on Logic", and it surprises me by its very existence, kitsu. I wonder how many people will end up hit by said trope, because I know that it has to be more than one...

I have returned, and my vacation in the void was so boring...
TheRustyBullet An Amazingly Apathetic Adolescent from way down there. Since: Aug, 2012
An Amazingly Apathetic Adolescent
#12868: Sep 6th 2012 at 7:55:36 AM

@Specular

A little too late for the warning.

I'll just pop in this thread when I actually have something to contribute to the discussion

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thedarkfreak Since: Jan, 2001
#12869: Sep 6th 2012 at 12:27:21 PM

@Specular: It's kind of out there, but maybe she's using herself as bait to stir something up? Yuki's there, so she knows she can't actually get hurt, but that order the head of the Yamaguchi-gumi was basically "don't antagonize them", right? It says nothing about a retaliatory strike(which a few members were trying to set up by hiding near Kyon while the Sumiyoshi-rengo had quite a few people in town). Kidnapping a major head's daughter and heiress, as well as the future wife of Kowa-Keigo Kyon, doesn't have to be something that the Yamaguchi would let slide.

edited 6th Sep '12 12:28:05 PM by thedarkfreak

Specular Since: Sep, 2011
#12870: Sep 6th 2012 at 5:10:10 PM

I have to say I'm not really sure what's going on in Haruhi's head. On the surface it seems like she not only more or less ignored Shinobu's warning, but went out of her way to give Tsuruya time alone to do something by herself. That doesn't seem like her at all. She has to have some kind of plan here.

I'm not really convinced of the following but what if Haruhi's plan simply consist in letting Tsuruya do whatever she wants to accomplish while arranging things to give her the best chances to do it and then just be prepared to deal with the fallout? I mean, some say that making the mistake is the best way to learn the lesson.

I got this idea because of the advantageous set of circumstances in favor of Tsuruya's actions in the current day in-story: Yuki was conveniently left out of the gathering in Mikuru's apartment, Kyon is going to be escorting Sasaki before and after that (thus removing Sasaki's powers and Kyon from the equation) and Haruhi is eventually going to be alone with Kanae and Mikuru, which means she could simply ask the former to teleport them to Tsuruya's location to check if Tsuruya and Yuki would be needing any help (a little of Invisibility, courtesy of Achakura or Kuyou, would work great here).

I personally don't like this possibility, it sounds too underhanded for Haruhi's tastes and I didn't detect any hint of this in Haruhi's PoV.


@thedarkfreak:

I considered something along the lines but I don't think Tsuruya's superiors would allow that kind of Loophole Abuse and even if they don't find it out, it's unlikely that Tsuruya would be willing to risk her or her father's subordinates by escalating herself the conflict out of control.


After think about it a little more, I got another theory: what if Tsuruya's anger is a Red Herring and her real objective is a lot more pragmatic? From the beginning the involvement of the Sumiyoshi-rengo seems to be the result of another power playing them against the Haru-tachi (both of them), which means that if the Brigade manages to discover who is the hidden party and what they want, the Brigade would be able to take the fight directly to them and deprive them from an useful pawn in the process.

If the above is true, then the reason why Tsuruya requested Yuki's help wasn't just for protection. What she really wants is to take Yuki to a place where there is a good chance to identify the middleman between Sumiyoshi-rengo and the mastermind behind their actions, ask her to find evidence leading to the latter (most likely from supernatural origin) and take this information to the Brigade where they could decide how to use it to remove the Sumiyoshi-rengo from the metaphorical game board once for all.


@Mad Kitsu:

I'm not sure, but do you mean Sasaki Giving Up on Logic? I don't think it will be the case. The things the Brigade deals with are not senseless per se, they just follow their own internal logic. I'm guessing Sasaki would handle herself just fine once they manage to get the Power Nullifier under control and she gets an actual chance to learns about Time travelers, ESPers, Sliders and Aliens (quoting Clarke's Third Law is optional but encouraged).

What I think are going to be proper challenges for Sasaki are more related to Character Development: Learning to fit in with SOS-Brigade (even disregarding the supernatural, they are not what we could call "Ordinary High School Students"), accepting herself as a full-fledged member of the other side The Masquerade (Reality Warper(?) puts you high on the odd-o-meter), sorting out and dealing with her own romantic feelings, etc.

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Eamil from Somewhere over there. Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
#12871: Sep 6th 2012 at 10:11:40 PM

After think about it a little more, I got another theory: what if Tsuruya's anger is a Red Herring and her real objective is a lot more pragmatic? From the beginning the involvement of the Sumiyoshi-rengo seems to be the result of another power playing them against the Haru-tachi (both of them), which means that if the Brigade manages to discover who is the hidden party and what they want, the Brigade would be able to take the fight directly to them and deprive them from an useful pawn in the process.

I thought it was more or less settled that the IDSE was pulling the strings. It got its foot in the door with the Sumiyoshi-rengo through Yamane Jun's involvement with them and it's been escalating things from there, right? And I'm pretty sure it's intervening in Akasaka's investigation as well, helping enough that she unwittingly hinders the Brigade now and then (like the Yamaguchi-gumi being blamed for the big gun smuggling bust) but also blocking her from getting too close to the real truth.

Specular Since: Sep, 2011
#12872: Sep 7th 2012 at 7:30:12 AM

[up] That would be the most logical conclusion but I'm still not totally convinced that the IDSE is the only party taking advantage of the Sumiyoshi-rengo's interest on the matter. From an old post:

I think the culprit was a faction of the old administration of the Organization. Koizumi mentioned at some point that the Organization was composed by various factions with very different PoVs, motivations and objectives. I wouldn't be too far-fetched that one of the most radical among them arranged the attack or simply alerted the Family that Haruhi would be unprotected in that precise moment (IIRC, the Organization keeps Haruhi under surveillance for her safety, so how come they missed a speeding vehicle about to run over her?).

I wonder if the former members of the Organization who didn't followed Mori into the new regime will be a problem in the future. IMO, they must have a huge grudge against Kyon because he basically destroyed the old Organization and took many of their key members (and the best sponsor) with him.

About the Family, Tachibana was the only member who switched sides and even if Takahashi was incriminated with Nonoko's kidnapping, it's still possible that she walked free from that (after all, the Brigade's objective with that was, as per the deal with Fujiwara, only to prevent her from working with children again via character assassination). What I mean to say is that the Family as a whole could be still active and likely very concerned of how Sasaki has been brought into their enemies' hands. And who knows, maybe the Family and the ex-members of the Organization worked up a Villain Team-Up behind the scenes (after all, humans are generally humans' most difficult enemies).

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Eamil from Somewhere over there. Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
#12873: Sep 7th 2012 at 9:39:55 AM

Well we already know the Family was involved with the Sumiyoshi-rengo, but I don't think they had much to do with the schemes not involving Sasaki. Trying to neutralize Kyon and abduct Sasaki was a last-ditch desperation kind of move, I don't think they'd have gone that far if they had other plans that hadn't come to fruition yet. They could be involved with the Sumiyoshi-rengo still, but that's got nothing to do with the manipulation of events that went on before the abduction attempt.

As for ex-Organization, I'm not convinced. I could conceivably see them instigating the more recent attacks, and maybe the one that would have exposed Kyon if Emiri hadn't turned out to be responsible for that, but when you get right down to it I don't think anyone involved with the organization has the clout with the NPA to pull off some of the things that cleared the way for Akasaka.

Coincidences were stacking up, and so were the inexplicable details of the investigation she had mired herself in. Osaka always had a few SAT officers on standby, but it just happened that on the day Miyuki had requested their aid, double the standard regiment had been transfered in from Tokyo. That shouldn't have made a difference, but some miracle beyond anything she'd attempted made the bureaucratic nightmare behind arranging a large scale raid vanish.

If the dissatisfied elements could arrange that, Mori and Koizumi should have had a much easier time coming up with a cover for Kyon's shooting.

Also, the speeding van thing, aside from the fact that their surveillance has been shown not to be infallible, what exactly is the Organization supposed to do to stop something like that? They're watching Haruhi, not random fast-moving vehicles. By the time whoever they have watching Haruhi sees that the van is going to hit her, they have about two seconds to react.

Either way, we can speculate that there's another party involved, but the only one pulling the strings of the Sumiyoshi-rengo that the Brigade has openly speculated on themselves is the IDSE, so I don't see how Tsuruya would be acting on her own as if she solidly knew that someone else was involved. If that's really what she's doing, she's going in with literally no information, no idea who this third party could be, and that by itself has massive potential for her whole plan to backfire horribly.

edited 7th Sep '12 9:48:16 AM by Eamil

MadKitsu Why do I need a title again? from Somewhere Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Mu
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#12874: Sep 7th 2012 at 10:44:03 AM

@ Specular(about Sasaki): When I was stating the Giving Up on Logic trope, I was pointing to the milder form of said trope, which, if used right and gradually, can lead to Sasaki's acceptance of the supernatural via Character Development. The fact that their form of logic is still understandable once a person can accept the supernatural(or "keep an open mind", as Haruhi says to her in the latest chapter) would only make the transition easier for her when she finally does give up her own sense of logic and substitutes it with Kyon. Pun

Also, I don't think that Sasaki would be the only one who will be subject to such change, for I believe that you have forgotten about Kyon's parents, of whom we don't know how they will react to the supernatural...

edited 7th Sep '12 11:18:02 AM by MadKitsu

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shanejayell Since: Jun, 2011
#12875: Sep 7th 2012 at 11:40:14 AM

Make her watch Mythbusters awhile. They've actually proved some pretty unlikely stuff as at least plausible... [lol]


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