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Filraen That One Boss from New Donk City Since: May, 2009 Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
#1126: Feb 8th 2011 at 8:13:20 AM

I don't believe an official record of Mikuru's kidnapping will be kept. An official investigation would have to follow, summoning Mikuru to give declaration and stuff, and if Haruhi discovers that...

By the other hand, this may be part of the reason the green van is unaccounted and ended being used in Haruhi run over attempt and Kyon's shooting. The police can't keep a vehicle in custody without relating it to a case or it'd be suspicious.

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RainyDaze Eheheh... from UK Since: Jul, 2010
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#1127: Feb 8th 2011 at 8:17:29 AM

That or the supernatural agencies are playing hell with human records. If that's the case, a detailed analysis of any police or school records around Nishinomiya would add even more to Miyuki's workload.

Asakura, Kimidori, Yuki, and Mikuru's existences are all weird enough. Then you get the way Asakura just vanished.

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#1128: Feb 8th 2011 at 8:32:04 AM

Mikuru's organization's record adjustment department must be extensive.

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#1129: Feb 8th 2011 at 9:02:24 AM

Asakura, Kimidori, Yuki, and Mikuru's existences are all weird enough. Then you get the way Asakura just vanished.

The question is: are the weirdness of their existences relevant enough for the case? Kimidori can't be linked to the shooting  *

. On Mikuru, I don't know her role of the cover story but the main trouble who can bring herself is being a common friend of Kyon and Tsuruya. Yuki is the one who worries me the most, as she could be traced as common friend of Kyon and Tsuruya and her name appeared on the recording of the apology.

That paragraph is all well and good but the main trouble here is Miyuki herself: she's an experienced NPA officer and very good at her job. I can expect her following her gut feeling and ask thorough records of everybody involved in the case after Asakura's lack of background.

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#1130: Feb 8th 2011 at 9:18:37 AM

There's also Jun's obsession with Asakura and Nagato's present at the Yakuza meeting to apologise for the shooting.

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#1131: Feb 8th 2011 at 9:33:12 AM

Yeah, all of that adds up to them probably having an interest in Nagato as well. I'm surprised they haven't tried to spy on the SOS Brigade directly, actually. If they're following Kyon they're bound to see the people he hangs out with on a regular basis. Tsuruya and Yuki will catch their immediate attention, and if they dig a little deeper they'll find Koizumi has connections with Mori.

Given all the people he hangs out with, and who those people hang out with, I wouldn't blame Miyuki for thinking that Kyon is the secret leader of some kind of uber-conspiracy, and she wouldn't be too far off.

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#1132: Feb 8th 2011 at 9:39:09 AM

Well, Kyon is the second in command of said conspiracy.

Speaking of Yakuza... I wonder how long it is until Kyon realises exactly what sort of things Tsuruya is the heir to? It doesn't seem to have fully hit him that his friends, his uncle, and himself are all rather deeply entrenched in illegal operations, no matter how little he and Nagato have done.

edited 8th Feb '11 9:40:25 AM by RainyDaze

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#1133: Feb 8th 2011 at 10:06:51 AM

He's second in command of the SOS Brigade, so nominally he's subordinate to Haruhi and he's Tsuruya's sort of subordinate (does being the finance change that?) through the Yakuza angle. Then there's his involvement with the various aliens, and while Koizumi is officially the liaison to the SOS Brigade, he mostly talks to Kyon about Organization business. With members of his harem having connections of their own, Kyon's got his fingers in so many pies that- oh.

Anyway, as for the Yamaguchi-gumi activities, it seems like in this story they're firmly in Neighbourhood-Friendly Gangsters territory. Durandall uses the clean-up after the Kobe earthquake to establish their credibility as this, and their activities are never really discussed in detail. The Yamaguchi-gumi exist in real life and are the largest group of Yakuza in Japan, and they did contribute a lot toward disaster relief after the Kobe earthquake. They like to keep a good public image, as many organized criminals do, but aren't above things like drug dealing and contract killings. It remains to be seen how closely the K:BDH Yamaguchi-gumi resemble their real life namesake. The Sumiyoshi-rengo have real life counterparts as well.

Personally, I'd rather not have to deal with the moral implications of marrying into a family involved in drug dealing, human trafficking and assassination. If they just keep it to things like illegal casinos and real estate deals, we can avoid a whole can of worms.

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#1134: Feb 8th 2011 at 10:17:37 AM

That or keep Kyon as far away from business as possible so we never have to learn.

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Filraen That One Boss from New Donk City Since: May, 2009 Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
#1135: Feb 8th 2011 at 10:24:49 AM

Important or not, Miyuki won't be able to find any records on the SOS Brigade because officially it doesn't exist. But that's a rather moot point as everybody in North High knows Haruhi holds her "club" in the Literature Club room.

Personally, I'd rather not have to deal with the moral implications of marrying into a family involved in drug dealing, human trafficking and assassination. If they just keep it to things like illegal casinos and real estate deals, we can avoid a whole can of worms.

I totally agree.

edited 8th Feb '11 10:25:40 AM by Filraen

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#1136: Feb 8th 2011 at 10:25:17 AM

I'm sure Kyon has some idea that the Yamiguchi-gumi has ties to unsavory activities, but chooses to look the other way. As for the Sumiyoshi-rengo, we know for a fact that they deal in things like human trafficking because Iyouji says, concerning Tsuruya,

'subdue' her, drug her, ship her off to someone who could find a 'use' for her, and never speak of it again.

Also, I know this is a really amateur question, but how do quote like you all have been doing?

edited 8th Feb '11 10:47:41 AM by Augustine

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#1137: Feb 8th 2011 at 10:34:32 AM

Put quoteblock inside square brackets, then /quoteblock after what you've been quoting. Also in square brackets.

Kyon would look the other way, wouldn't he? It doesn't actively involve him and therefore he doesn't intervene.

edited 8th Feb '11 10:35:52 AM by RainyDaze

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#1139: Feb 8th 2011 at 11:12:22 AM

I'm sure Kyon has some idea that the Yamiguchi-gumi has ties to unsavory activities, but chooses to look the other way.
I don't know how much they're actually involved, though. If memory serves, Tsuruya mentioned them being involved in more "high level" sorts of crime. I'm guessing political corruption or insider trading using information acquired through blackmail or something.

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#1140: Feb 8th 2011 at 11:33:49 AM

That or they have more education, in general, than the Sumiyoshi-rengo. XD

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#1141: Feb 8th 2011 at 11:34:29 AM

Kyon would look the other way, wouldn't he? It doesn't actively involve him and therefore he doesn't intervene.

For me it's a toss-up. While it's true he doesn't like to get involved he also expresses (and acts) strong enough when he actually believes something is wrong. Because it actively involves Tsuruya, and that would make it his own trouble.

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#1142: Feb 8th 2011 at 11:46:47 AM

It depends how much of the apathetic, selfish cynic remains, doesn't it? The more that's left, the less Kyon is going to do for those he doesn't care for.

And it's been mentioned that future!Kyon seems to be rather mercenary. I think, though it might have been a conclusion someone drew.

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#1143: Feb 8th 2011 at 11:56:49 AM

I think Koizumi said that. I'll go check.

EDIT: Found two instances. Fujiwara in chapter 34, and Koizumi in chapter 38.

Fujiwara's glower faded, and he looked pensively thoughtful. "I could have motives you cannot fathom," he muttered. "You can make assumptions based on my previously observed behavior, but you can't prove my free will doesn't exist! However, if you're going to be such an arrogant mercenary, I'll tell you this much; you can't hurt me right now."

"Kyon-kun," Koizumi said slowly, frowning. "I don't like the idea of ... as you intimated to me ... myself as some austere, judgmental presence that only hovers over your shoulder to offer criticism and complications. Realistically, it seems to me that your future self is mercenary enough without my help ... as Tsuruya-san seems to have intimated."

edited 8th Feb '11 12:02:44 PM by PaxEmpyrean

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#1144: Feb 8th 2011 at 12:08:43 PM

I can see two possibilities in the latter statement: either Kyon's annoyed at finding out about the Tenchi Solution and dislikes those in the past for hiding it  *

or said reveal, coupled with the emotional stress he's already under and any resulting Heroic BSoD, sends him back towards his attitudes at the start of Melancholy. Or maybe he just ends up reserving most of his warmth for the people he knows he can trust - AKA the Brigade from his present (and some family members) since they've either admitted all secrets or earned that somehow.

Every time Time-Travel crops up my desire to play Continuum one day increases. Four-dimensional thinking feels easier than three-dimensional, to me.

edited 8th Feb '11 12:11:35 PM by RainyDaze

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#1145: Feb 8th 2011 at 12:26:50 PM

Tsuruya wasn't even talking about future-Kyon. She was commenting on Kyon's remark about how he's been doing nothing but making mistakes for the last day or so, and she said defending his friends isn't a mistake.

That's all there is. Nothing about future Kyon being an uncaring bastard or anything like that. Kyon made a frustrated remark downplaying his own competence and Tsuruya countered that by telling him that he was doing a good job.

I don't think Kyon's headed for a BSOD at the Tenchi Solution reveal at all, really. Maybe a moment of dumbfoundedness followed by some stuttering and confusion, possibly some temporary resentment, but not a complete breakdown.

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#1146: Feb 8th 2011 at 12:37:46 PM

Then why does Koizumi mention the future? I'm now confused.

A Heroic BSoD doesn't necessarily have to be long.

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#1147: Feb 8th 2011 at 1:06:19 PM

All Kyon said about his future self was that Future!Kyon said that he screwed up by not involving Yuki in the first place, and that he was helping a friend, which Haruhi correctly guessed was Sasaki. Seems like regular Kyon to me: helping friends and chastising his past self for being dumb.

All Koizumi said about Future!Kyon was that he seemed mercenary enough without Koizumi helping it by acting like "some austere, judgmental presence that only hovers over your shoulder to offer criticism and complications." He didn't say anything about Future!Kyon's behavior in relation to the events at hand.

As for Tsuruya saying that Future!Kyon is mercenary, I don't see that anywhere. I think Koizumi is misunderstanding what she said. She chastised Present!Kyon for his frustrated remark, and Kyon thought her criticism of Haruhi (which followed immediately) was directed at him, too.

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#1148: Feb 8th 2011 at 1:14:39 PM

I suppose we'll see what Kyon's actually like at that point when we get there.

How many open time loops are there? There's the gun-transferral/shooting night and meeting Sasaki (I think that's still open)... anything I've missed?

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#1149: Feb 8th 2011 at 1:32:44 PM

Getting the Morph Weapon from Fujiwara and giving it to Miyoko and the video Akasaka watched the last chapter (I don't know which one you wrote about).... I think I'll add that to the timeline.

edited 8th Feb '11 1:38:59 PM by Filraen

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#1150: Feb 8th 2011 at 1:35:17 PM

I can't think of any others currently open. Kyon didn't seem much different on either of those trips back.

I think the harem reveal is going to be similar in tone to the surprise announcement of his engagement to Tsuruya: some confusion and drama leading to lots of WAFF and more character development, with plenty of dry commentary from Kyon as he resigns himself to his Special Hell.

I doubt his reaction will be much worse than when he decided that Haruhi was going to kill him or end the world when she found out about his engagement to Tsuruya.


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