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alethiophile Shadowed Philosopher from Ëa Since: Nov, 2009
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#7201: Oct 6th 2011 at 4:06:29 PM

The impression I've gotten (just about entirely from K:BDH, since I don't know the canon) is that the interfaces are not entirely bound to their actual bodies, but might reinstantiate themselves if their bodies were destroyed. Which is certainly a nontrivial endeavor; AFAIK it's only been managed with intervention by Sasaki's power, which is somewhere stated to be Haruhi-level. (Do we count what's happened to Asakura as injury?)

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PaxEmpyrean Since: Oct, 2010
#7202: Oct 6th 2011 at 4:19:01 PM

Like I said, "unless she has countermeasures in place", where "countermeasures" includes any augmentations and modifications done via data-manipulation.

Even if they let their guard down on purpose, it takes special weapons to kill them.

Filraen That One Boss from New Donk City Since: May, 2009 Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
#7203: Oct 6th 2011 at 7:33:24 PM

The impression I've gotten (just about entirely from K:BDH, since I don't know the canon) is that the interfaces are not entirely bound to their actual bodies, but might reinstantiate themselves if their bodies were destroyed. Which is certainly a nontrivial endeavor; AFAIK it's only been managed with intervention by Sasaki's power, which is somewhere stated to be Haruhi-level. (Do we count what's happened to Asakura as injury?)

The canon suggests that. In Wandering Shadow Yuki comments about an species whose data existence still continues after their bodies are no more. And in Surprise spoiler

Yuki's data-manipulation is not a passive superpower, AFAIK; thusly, unless she has prior countermeasures in place (which is likely), anything of sufficient destructive force to a kill a normal human that manages to completely catch her by surprise would certainly kill her.

K:BDH!Yuki, if not restricted like Asakura in the prologue extension, can survive even without a body. Otherwise she wouldn't be able to get into ghost data form in Hinamizawa.

edited 6th Oct '11 7:34:56 PM by Filraen

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MadKitsu Why do I need a title again? from Somewhere Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Mu
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#7204: Oct 6th 2011 at 9:42:30 PM

So, Yuki can technically invoke the Cute Ghost Girl trope, then?

edited 6th Oct '11 9:43:15 PM by MadKitsu

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PaxEmpyrean Since: Oct, 2010
#7205: Oct 6th 2011 at 10:04:58 PM

Nah, she's not dead. Incorporeality on its own isn't enough to qualify.

Filraen That One Boss from New Donk City Since: May, 2009 Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
#7206: Oct 6th 2011 at 10:34:14 PM

[up][up] Wait, do you want to kill Yuki?

... bah, I'm too sleepy to say it with enough emotion.

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OneMore Since: Oct, 2010
#7207: Oct 7th 2011 at 12:25:20 AM

Otherwise she wouldn't be able to get into ghost data form in Hinamizawa.
I thought she just "changed" her body to be incorporeal.

Another question, what would happen to Yuki if she was destroyed like Asakura now that she is disconnected from IDSE? Asakura could return because she is stored in IDSE, but Yuki isn't. What does "Haruhi is Yuki's superior" exactly mean, other than Yuki filtering Haruhi's Reality Warping?

edited 7th Oct '11 12:26:51 AM by OneMore

RainehDaze Nero Fangirl (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
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#7208: Oct 7th 2011 at 12:31:04 AM

I guess that killing Yuki would automatically boot Kyon and Haruhi into Closed Space, which would give time to fix it. Otherwise...

Jigaboo pink from atop a hill Since: Jun, 2011
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#7209: Oct 7th 2011 at 2:25:33 AM

Makes me wonder what would happen if someone killed Kyon. Haruhi would probably activate god mode and abandon all emotion. One reaction amongst others.

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Specular Since: Sep, 2011
#7210: Oct 7th 2011 at 4:24:08 AM

@Jigaboo: It's possible that closed-space!Haruhi or Yuki thought about that after Kyon was shot. Probable there is some passive function that will teleport Kyon to a closed space if an attack is about to kill him. There is a precedent: "I'm John Smith" emergency codeword took effect before Kyon completed the phrase (from Tsuruya's PoV), so it's feasible that this hypothetic function could exists and be capable of preventing lethal harm on Kyon (Unspoken Plan Guarantee FTW).

Also, Mikuru (all of them) and possibly Fujiwara would intervene if it comes to that.


Random thought:

If Sasaki is looking for a place within the Tsuruya-tachi, and beside Kyon, she could become his lawyer in the future. I get the impression Sasaki feels smugly superior, even if it's just a little bit, when she is proved right about something and a job where you get paid for just that (or at least making impossible for the other guy to prove you wrong) would be a perfect (and profitable) way to use up that energy. Bonus Points for her if she avoids breaking any laws in the process.

Edit:

In that scenario, Mori could be her mentor. Beware of Psychotic Smirk (the next generation).

edited 7th Oct '11 5:07:48 PM by Specular

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Jigaboo pink from atop a hill Since: Jun, 2011
pink
#7211: Oct 7th 2011 at 4:32:46 AM

Man, Kyon's insured as hell.

Still, it makes you wonder, what if...

[up] She can brag cause she's just that good. smile

edited 7th Oct '11 4:34:54 AM by Jigaboo

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Specular Since: Sep, 2011
#7212: Oct 7th 2011 at 5:15:33 AM

Still, it makes you wonder, what if...

Considering only Haruhi and Yuki's (and possibly Kuyou's) knee-jerk reactions, then I wouldn't want be within ten universes away from KBDH world. Maybe in Half Life 2 Crapsack World, they at least have a chance.

I would like to think Haruhi and Yuki can live pass Kyon's death after all their Character Development. I would hate every second of it but that would speak better of the characters than causing The End of the World as We Know It. Bonus Points if they can accomplish that and to subvert Laser-Guided Amnesia at the same time.

There is also the unfortunate moral implications in the case Kyon can be resurrected. Replacement Goldfish is NOT a cool option to me either.


Umm...

I really dislike this post of mine.

To everybody: Please don't follow up my ideas.

*goes to look for My Neighbor Totoro's DVD*

edited 11th Nov '11 5:20:06 PM by Specular

My K:BDH Recursive Fanfiction
Jigaboo pink from atop a hill Since: Jun, 2011
pink
#7213: Oct 7th 2011 at 5:26:56 AM

The one with Lea Salonga by any chance?

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Specular Since: Sep, 2011
#7214: Oct 7th 2011 at 5:39:41 AM

[up] IIRC, it has subtitles but no dubbing.

My K:BDH Recursive Fanfiction
Jigaboo pink from atop a hill Since: Jun, 2011
pink
#7215: Oct 7th 2011 at 6:11:46 AM

When you're runnin' to third, and you leave a big turd diarrhea, diarrhea

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RainehDaze Nero Fangirl (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
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#7216: Oct 7th 2011 at 6:23:45 AM

Replacement Goldfish would't apply to an actual resurrection, would it?

Jigaboo pink from atop a hill Since: Jun, 2011
pink
#7217: Oct 7th 2011 at 6:49:09 AM

Maybe if he lost his memory....

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RainehDaze Nero Fangirl (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Jigaboo pink from atop a hill Since: Jun, 2011
pink
#7219: Oct 7th 2011 at 7:16:52 AM

Then I'm lost.

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RainehDaze Nero Fangirl (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
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#7220: Oct 7th 2011 at 8:27:04 AM

Replacement Goldfish is generally cloning someone to replace the dead original or something. Came Back Wrong is when someone is resurrected and the process goes wrong.

Jigaboo pink from atop a hill Since: Jun, 2011
pink
#7221: Oct 7th 2011 at 9:10:48 AM

No, as in I don't know how a Replacement Goldfish would work in Kyon's case.

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RainehDaze Nero Fangirl (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
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#7222: Oct 7th 2011 at 9:19:25 AM

Opposite-Sex Clone of Nonoko given Kyon's memories?

Jigaboo pink from atop a hill Since: Jun, 2011
pink
#7223: Oct 7th 2011 at 9:29:32 AM

Thinking of that amuses me.

It could work. But Nonoko's so different from Kyon it wouldn't even seem like a replacement. X_X

However, Kyon might've been more like Nonoko before he met Sasaki. Interesting.....

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RainehDaze Nero Fangirl (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
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#7224: Oct 7th 2011 at 9:34:45 AM

That seems to be the case.

Anyway, it'd still be Kyon's personality. Wouldn't look exactly (or, depending on weirdness of the WMG's, closer than a cousin) like Kyon.

Jigaboo pink from atop a hill Since: Jun, 2011
pink
#7225: Oct 7th 2011 at 9:57:30 AM

A Sasaki free world would've yielded 2 of the most cheerful individuals.

Wonder how Haruhi would've reacted...

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