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OneMore Since: Oct, 2010
#7176: Oct 6th 2011 at 1:13:02 AM

I guess if we're making weird nuclear physics analogies, the interaction between similarly charged particles due to the electromagnetic force would be like jealousy, and only something more powerful (like the strong nuclear force or the Power of Friendship) can overcome that and get them all to stick together in an atomic nucleus. So long as the power of friendship is stronger than anybody's jealousy, it's all gravy.
That makes strangely much sense. I like it. tongue

edited 6th Oct '11 1:14:20 AM by OneMore

RainehDaze Nero Fangirl (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Nero Fangirl
#7177: Oct 6th 2011 at 1:14:15 AM

I don't want sub-atomic gravy. D=

MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#7178: Oct 6th 2011 at 1:17:42 AM

I've always had a slight... issue with Yuki being classified as an alien. It's more like she's a Reality Hacking Self Aware AI and only an alien by technicality. If I had to make a list or words to describe Yuki, Alien wouldn't really feature prominently (Awesome would be right up there at the top though), maybe 10th place or so.
Well, technically she would be an Starfish Alien-made Artificial Human, so she is definitely an alien in terms of ultimate origin, though more or less a superpowered human in form and.... uh, biology.

@Tsuruya pic: Looks more natural than the original pic was, IMO.

edited 6th Oct '11 1:18:12 AM by MarqFJA

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RainehDaze Nero Fangirl (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
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#7179: Oct 6th 2011 at 1:19:26 AM

I really don't see the issue with calling Yuki an alien. She's not human, no matter how much she looks it, and she's not what you'd call earthly... XD

OneMore Since: Oct, 2010
#7180: Oct 6th 2011 at 1:42:04 AM

Nah, Yuki is not a human, not an alien, she's a goddess!

PaxEmpyrean Since: Oct, 2010
#7181: Oct 6th 2011 at 1:51:08 AM

I don't want sub-atomic gravy. D=

Even if it's in a gravy boat? Besides, I'm talking about getting same-charged particles to stick together. Just pretend I'm talking about finding a way for protons to be gay with each other and you'll love it.

I really don't see the issue with calling Yuki an alien. She's not human, no matter how much she looks it, and she's not what you'd call earthly... XD

I think it's because she is an artificial construct and as far as we know she's never been anywhere except Earth. She's a lot closer to traditional notions of an AI than she is to being an alien as they are normally imagined.

@Tsuruya pic: Looks more natural than the original pic was, IMO.

Any suggestions? I can't really think of anything else to do with it, other than set it as my wallpaper.

Nah, Yuki is not a human, not an alien, she's a goddess!

In an Ave Machina sort of way. :)

edited 6th Oct '11 1:53:56 AM by PaxEmpyrean

RainehDaze Nero Fangirl (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
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#7182: Oct 6th 2011 at 1:58:26 AM

I'd still rather not have the world be mostly composed of gravy.

... How to overcome repulsion? Isn't that stupid amounts of force? XD

A construct created by something indisputably alien that's composed of data. Err... she still seems plenty alien to me. An alien AI?

PaxEmpyrean Since: Oct, 2010
#7183: Oct 6th 2011 at 2:02:37 AM

If I write a program, is it human? Or is it just a program? We'd most likely define it by its function and the environment in which it operates, rather than saying "a human made this, therefore it is human".

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#7184: Oct 6th 2011 at 2:07:06 AM

Only because nothing inhuman has made any of them. And you can certainly define them by the programming language they're written in as well as the place of origin. All of which are alien, in this instance.

PaxEmpyrean Since: Oct, 2010
#7185: Oct 6th 2011 at 2:13:17 AM

The place of origin? Do we have record of Yuki ever being anywhere except Earth?

Well, whatever. I think you're just being facetious. I'm going to bed so when I wake up there will be someone different to talk to.

RainehDaze Nero Fangirl (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
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#7186: Oct 6th 2011 at 2:17:40 AM

The IDSE isn't physically on the earth, is it? Wherever it is is where I would assume that Yuki was 'written'.

Obviously, whether or not Yuki is an alien, an AI, or an alien AI is a matter of utmost importance and solemnity.

tamult Eye See You. from Can you SEE? Since: Sep, 2010
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#7187: Oct 6th 2011 at 2:23:18 AM

She is Alien to humans, as she is something that a human can't exactly understand. So regardless of place, time, or processes, she is Alien. And, Pax, if something is born or made on Earth that looks human, seems human, but isn't really human, you'd call it one of three things. An Alien, a Shapeshifter, or an Android. Since Yuki is neither of the last two, she must be the former. I may be forgetting a possibility here or there, but the summation is just that. Yuki isn't human, therefore she is an alien.

Besides, Yuki herself has called herself an Alien, and I think she is in the best position to know whether she is or not.

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#7188: Oct 6th 2011 at 2:52:24 AM

I think we can all agree that Yuki, being an Artificial Human that was created by extraterrestrial (perhaps even extradimensional) Starfish Aliens, fits the definition of a Human Alien (or maybe Alien Human?), no?

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#7189: Oct 6th 2011 at 3:48:14 AM

The callin' me an alien a big headed astronaut...

I did naht.
MadKitsu Why do I need a title again? from Somewhere Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Mu
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#7190: Oct 6th 2011 at 8:06:50 AM

@Pax: Um...

The analogy sort of breaks down since you can't have three particles that are all attracted to each other simultaneously, at least not through electromagnetism. To have more than two attracted simultaneously you'd have to incorporate something like the strong nuclear force or gravity, coincidentally associated with mistresses.

Considering a certain spoiler that I will not name here, I would actually think that that would possibly be the case...

Of course, Power of Friendship and Power of Love can also be considered like such forces as well, if applied correctly, like it is here, kitsu.

I have returned, and my vacation in the void was so boring...
OneMore Since: Oct, 2010
#7191: Oct 6th 2011 at 8:15:24 AM

"Charged" particles are just a metaphor - what matters is that particles are attracted by some and repelled by other.

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#7192: Oct 6th 2011 at 8:30:38 AM

There is no doubt that Yuki is alien. Whether or not she is AN alien... Pfff. Semantics. Everybody's an alien somewhere.

I just find it odd that Haruhi desires aliens, and what fills that role is (IMHO) more Artificial Human than Alien. Then again, I'm one of those people that when you say "Alien" I imagine things pretty far removed from humanity (floating gas-bag crabs that absorb food through baleen-like gills, etc etc) so it could just me me.

Yuki's still my favorite character.

Wait, what?
OneMore Since: Oct, 2010
#7193: Oct 6th 2011 at 8:53:55 AM

Nagato is an alien human enough to count as a human (Artificial Human) from most points of view. Fair?

RainehDaze Nero Fangirl (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
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#7194: Oct 6th 2011 at 8:55:30 AM

Most points of view obviously doesn't include anything regarding physical capabilities. :|

MadKitsu Why do I need a title again? from Somewhere Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Mu
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#7195: Oct 6th 2011 at 9:00:15 AM

And Kuyou is even more alien still (which would kinda make the argument itself moot), but I digress.

Besides, if we go by the definition of aliens as Starfish Aliens, then the Combine would definitely count, if only as antagonists.

edited 6th Oct '11 9:00:55 AM by MadKitsu

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#7197: Oct 6th 2011 at 9:39:55 AM

[up] and [up][up][up][up] Yes.

I think Yuki currently has a much more human-like mind than Kuyou does. While both see the mundane world in an unusual way, the scale of their perception is vastly different. Kuyou doesn't know everything, but it seems like her actual location is irrelevant when it comes to knowing something, at least when she's not focusing on her local surroundings. Yuki's knowledge of things outside her immediate vicinity was previously reliant upon the IDSE. Currently she's getting some information from her future self, but the extent of this isn't really clear yet.

MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#7198: Oct 6th 2011 at 3:39:27 PM

Most points of view obviously doesn't include anything regarding physical capabilities. :|
Yuki's data-manipulation is not a passive superpower, AFAIK; thusly, unless she has prior countermeasures in place (which is likely), anything of sufficient destructive force to a kill a normal human that manages to completely catch her by surprise would certainly kill her.

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PaxEmpyrean Since: Oct, 2010
#7199: Oct 6th 2011 at 3:51:40 PM

Yuki's data-manipulation is not a passive superpower, AFAIK; thusly, unless she has prior countermeasures in place (which is likely), anything of sufficient destructive force to a kill a normal human that manages to completely catch her by surprise would certainly kill her.

I don't think so. It takes special weaponry to actually kill an interface.

MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#7200: Oct 6th 2011 at 3:53:43 PM

Like I said, "unless she has countermeasures in place", where "countermeasures" includes any augmentations and modifications done via data-manipulation.

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