The thing is, offering something for free and then forcing people to buy things to get the real full story is just a dickish move. The new expansion stories could only work, for example, if they were absolutely independent from the main routes. But even then, it would kinda be an insult for whose were waiting for so long. The problem is not they are trying to be commercial, but that they already promised it to be free.
Now, if it were just merchandising, I would not object and would fully support them. The same if they decide to make the next project a commercial one. In that case, I fully agree with you. An actual professional VD developer team in West would be very cool.
PS: As absurd point 4 may be, making a VN without save and load, just a library, is perfectly possible, if inconvenient. You just need to avoid having the story branchs to 'meet' again (or make a story without branchs at all).
PPS:We don't have a page for Kinetic Novels!
edited 1st Apr '11 1:12:06 PM by Heatth
Nor do I know what they are!
I realized it was a joke as soon as they started talking about wanting money (i.e. the beginning of the post) because they said from the start of the project that they'd never, ever, ever do that.
You're right, Rika's and Saki's designs are great. I particularly like the latter, but then again, weee is an insanely good artist. She should totally go pro, if she hasn't yet.
KinectKinetic Novels are Visual Novels without choices. Basically a picture book with sounds. The only ones I know are the When They Cry series (Higurashi and Umineko).
I would create the page myself if I had a bit more knowledge on that matter and if my English didn't suck.
edited 1st Apr '11 2:25:15 PM by Heatth
You are welcome, Tweety.
In some ways, this is a more honest approach then But Yhou Must or when any deviation from the main patch results in immediate death (Fate Stay Night, I am looking at you).
So, reading Katawa Shoujo forum replies to the prank, I discovered that that Rika Katayama backstory is pretty much the same of some obscure anime, Hanbun No Tsukiga Noboru Sora. Even the main girl there is called 'Rika'.
Why is there a page on an obscure, six-episodes anime like that and not on much, much more important stuff (anime or not)? It's like The Other Wiki and its obsession with pages for single Star Trek episodes (which we have here on Tvtropes as well, admittedly...).
By the way, do you realize there's actually very little time left before Katawa Shoujo is finally released? It's like a dream come true, hope the full game is as well thought-out and tasteful as Act 1 and especially that they didn't go overboard with the H-scenes.
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That is because someone created that page but not other. If you think there should be more important thing covered, go ahead and create the page yourself.
I know.
I am really anxious for the release as well. About the sex scenes, considering an old interview (from late 09), I think they will be cool. They mentioned aversion to hentai works in which the girl transformed in a lustful beast, changing her personality, on bed and promissed make the whole thing tasteful.
And in a last case, we can aways disable the H.
edited 2nd Apr '11 5:43:12 AM by Heatth
You know, in some cases, characters agreeing to have sex can be a form of showing development. Here I'm thinking about Shizune and Hanako the most. I'm also hoping Hisao remains tasteful throughout the act, he hasn't been presented as the kind of guy who'd lose his head or become forceful on a whim. Oh, and since they talked about bad endings, I'm anticipating at least one Death By Sex.
edited 2nd Apr '11 5:57:02 AM by DOmen
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Do we have a trope for such sex scenes? I mean, when shy girls are very lustful in bed, while Tsunderes and similarly forceful characters are suddenly full of awkward.
The latter two routes of FSN used it prominently, Ef also used it with the twins, I can't think of more examples.
edited 2nd Apr '11 5:59:27 AM by EternalSeptember
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Death By Sex? You mean Hisao's poor heart stopping working during the act?
That would be hilarious, which I doubt it is a good thing.
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If it doesn't exist yet, it should be created.
However, I am not talking about this. A "shy girl that is very lustful in bed" is something plausible. From the interview I think they were talking more of "inexperienced girl who is suddenly a S&M sex machine in bed", which is just ridiculous. They said it in the context "we are not 4chan.
(why we don't have a page for 4chan?)
edited 2nd Apr '11 6:20:14 AM by Heatth
There used to be a page for it, but I think Fast Eddie preemptively axed it as too likely to attract trolls.
It makes me sad that people are casually insulting Hanbun No Tsuki Ga Noboru Sora here. Just because you haven't heard of it doesn't mean it's obscure, and even if it is obscure that doesn't mean it's bad or unworthy. It has a page because someone felt like making a page for it.
edited 3rd Apr '11 1:42:55 AM by Clarste
Is 'obscure' an insult now? Pardon if you thought different, but I meant 'obscure' as in 'not very known over here'. Not only I've never heard o said anime, but its page is also quite small. It run for only 6 episodes 5 years ago and it wasn't released in US. I think I have the right to call it 'obscure', sorry. (which doesn't mean the anime is bad, saying such nonsense was never my intention)
Sorry, Clarste, but I wasn't insulting either. We just said it's obscure and not all that important. Of course, by the way Tvtropes works, if even a single person has watched/read/played something, no matter how obscure, it can have a page. It's just that not many people are likely to know it, while there's more widely known stuff still lacking an entry (the fault of this is us tropers', of course); for example, here in Italy every single soccer anime is immediately taken and dubbed, but most of them aren't known in America so Tvtropes doesn't have them, even though they're generally pretty long and trope-heavy. For example, no-one seems to know Hungry Heart by Yoichi Takahashi, even though here it's really famous and of pretty high quality. Maybe I should write a page for it myself...
edited 3rd Apr '11 10:56:52 AM by DOmen
Mostly I was taking issue with the word "important". That's almost always going to be a subjective judgment, except in a few cases where it's an inarguable fact that this influenced future anime. Baccano for example is very popular, but I certainly wouldn't say it's more important than any other anime. No less important either, but still it's just some anime that came out at some point. Some people are fans, some are not.
Back when Hanbun no Tsuki was first airing it generated a good amount of discussion and hype among certain circles. It hasn't influenced future anime much, but most shows haven't.

Establishing an actual, official, professional VN developer team in the west, would always worth the default downsides of commercialization.