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neoYTPism Since: May, 2010
#51: Jul 18th 2011 at 8:27:52 AM

Bumping after a few days because this hasn't quite been addressed.

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#52: Jul 18th 2011 at 9:55:20 AM

Panels 1 and 2 of the Sonic example work fine for me.

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#53: Aug 10th 2011 at 1:51:34 PM

Why are we switching from the current pic?

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#54: Aug 10th 2011 at 2:05:15 PM

[up] The current pic is more suited to a Chessmaster or other such schemer.

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#55: Aug 10th 2011 at 2:09:48 PM

Thanks. The OP implied it was a double pic with Manipulative Bastard, which doesn't appear to be true any more.

Edit: Oh. Actually, it was suggested for Manipulative Bastard and then suggested here. My mistake.

edited 10th Aug '11 2:11:29 PM by unhappyyak

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#59: Sep 15th 2011 at 11:42:27 AM

Bump for votes...as of right now:

  • Panels 2 and 3 (Freefall): +2 (yeas:4 nays:2) 2.00 : 1
  • Sonic◊: +1 (yeas:3 nays:2) 1.50 : 1

The rest are in the red.

ThePope Since: Oct, 2010
#60: Sep 15th 2011 at 11:50:39 AM

They're all pretty lousy, really. They all depend on text; none of them show it visually, like the Batman one does (which was allegedly going to be used for Manipulative Bastard, but never was).

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#61: Sep 15th 2011 at 12:49:34 PM

How, if at all, is the Freefall one supposed to demonstrate this trope? It doesn't really strike me as indicative.

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#62: Sep 15th 2011 at 1:36:38 PM

The guy in the third panel is essentially saying that the others are going to provide him with everything he needs for his plan without their realizing it. It's more subtle than the Sonic example, but it works.

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#63: Sep 15th 2011 at 1:38:51 PM

I really don't see the freefall one being useable. Even if we could use the entire comic, the thing is to ambiguous.

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#64: Sep 15th 2011 at 2:34:19 PM

[up][up] Much more subtle... it's hard to tell from the wording. Too subtle to make a good page image IMO.

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DragonQuestZ The Other Troper from Somewhere in California Since: Jan, 2001
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#65: Sep 15th 2011 at 2:44:30 PM

"They're all pretty lousy, really. They all depend on text; none of them show it visually, like the Batman one does"

Actually, it doesn't. The trope isn't about manipulation as much as just pushing people to their most likely action.

Anyone have a scan of the same comic that was used for the page image on Don't Explain the Joke? Batman should have a moment explaining his gambit, which would properly show the trope.

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#66: Sep 15th 2011 at 3:17:08 PM

[up] That would be pretty good; I recall the animated version of that story, and it certainly qualifies as an example of the trope... it also has the added bonus of involving the trope namer.

edited 15th Sep '11 3:17:47 PM by HiddenFacedMatt

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#67: Sep 15th 2011 at 6:12:26 PM

Pope, you know you can add a picture yourself.

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ThePope Since: Oct, 2010
#68: Sep 15th 2011 at 10:48:26 PM

What, you mean come up with a suggestion? Or add the Batman one to the crowner?

Though I dunno if that would work better here, or on Manipulative Bastard.

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#69: Sep 15th 2011 at 11:04:03 PM

Yeah, the "add it to the crowner" thing.

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ThePope Since: Oct, 2010
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#71: Sep 16th 2011 at 6:27:50 AM

I found these pages through this google image search, for a source of scans of the story Dragon Quest Z mentioned earlier. Here is one panel arrangement I came up with.



A couple other panel arrangements are in the crowner, but I still think we should try to come up with further panel arrangements still to see what works best.

edited 16th Sep '11 10:32:22 AM by HiddenFacedMatt

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#72: Sep 16th 2011 at 10:16:58 AM

I said it before and I'll say it again, the Freefall one is way too subtle to make clear that it is of the trope. We should aim for something more obvious.

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#73: Sep 16th 2011 at 1:18:10 PM

Man, it's hard to decide between the first and third Mad Love pics...the first is more succinct, but the third explains the entire gambit a lot better.

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#74: Sep 16th 2011 at 2:07:15 PM

[up] Seeing as how the latter is more relevant to use as a page image, I`d consider that a point in favour of the third.

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DragonQuestZ The Other Troper from Somewhere in California Since: Jan, 2001
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#75: Sep 16th 2011 at 2:23:47 PM

But both panels on the crowner as separate options, but I would go for the second.

edited 16th Sep '11 6:50:54 PM by DragonQuestZ

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