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RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#2701: Dec 13th 2019 at 7:47:40 AM

Though, if fabrials can replicate all ten surges, then Roshar theoretically has everything it needs to build spaceships.

Watashiwa Since: Dec, 2009
#2702: Dec 16th 2019 at 12:55:02 AM

Hmm, pity. Never saw that Wo B before. That was my favorite explanation for the weirdness, besides it, well, being alive. Guess it's back to the Sibling theory after all.

Though, now I wonder if Dalinar has to bond all three of the Godspren to reunite Honor's shard. Wit seemed to be hinting at that, though he used Adonalsium as his example.

Moopsball Since: Sep, 2014
#2703: Dec 16th 2019 at 8:32:53 AM

Found an album on bandcamp inspired by the series, thought some of you might like it.

Kaladin.

Rytex Your Friend on the Other Side from Here, There, Everywhere (Ancient one) Relationship Status: Married to the music
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#2705: Jan 7th 2020 at 7:07:19 AM

Been a while since I checked in with my progress. Kinda fell off of listening to Oathbringer for a while, but back in the game now.

So, gonna spoiler my shit in case of any noobs, but here's where I'm at.

Kaladin is trying to get the honorspren to un-ground Syl on their boat. Fuck Moash. The fused are chasing them. Adolin is now fully insecure about Shallan having a major crush on Kaladin. Shallan is having an identity crisis but seems to be recovering. Fuck Moash. Dalinar is trying to wrestle with having his memories back now, and trying to keep his coalition intact. Navani is helping out quite eagerly, as are Renarin and Jasnah. Fuck Moash. Taravangian is trying to undermine things, as usual. Szeth-son-son-Vellano, former Truthless of Shinovar, is getting ready to go smack a Shin. Fuck Moash. And finally, fuck Moash.

Did I miss anything?

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Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#2706: Jan 7th 2020 at 7:40:27 AM

Depending on where exactly you are, you're missing a couple points, such as fuck, Elhokar! and FUCK MOASH.

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Galadriel Since: Feb, 2015
#2707: Jan 7th 2020 at 3:34:45 PM

Seriously, what is it about Moash?

He’s a bad guy, yes. His main bad actions so far are 1) attempted regicide, 2) successful regicide, and 3) killing Jezrien.

And he betrayed Kaladin. But when you look at it from Moash’s perspective: he consulted Kaladin on the assassination. He had Kaladin’s sign-off on it. Kaladin pretty clearly gave him the Shardblade and Shardplate to enable the assassination. Kaladin had weeks to tell him that he’d changed his mind and order him to stop the assassination, and didn’t. The Kaladin changes his mind at the very last minute. Which one of them switched sides?

Dalinar murdered an entire city of innocent civilians, and he’s a leading protagonist. Venli destroyed her sister and all her people for the sake of selfish ambition, and she’s a protagonist. At the moment, Moash is providing a very effective counter-arc to the redemption narratives around Dalinar, Venli, and Szeth by showing what happens when a person feels guilty for their actions but refuses to take responsibility for them. He may stay on that path, or he may not - but given what other characters have done, his actions don’t fundamentally exclude the possibility or acceptability of a redemption arc later on.

Edited by Galadriel on Jan 7th 2020 at 6:36:38 AM

32ndfreeze Since: Mar, 2012
#2708: Jan 7th 2020 at 6:10:41 PM

[up]It's mostly a meme.

That was a common reaction to Moash's actions during OB and it sort of just spread from there. There's a dedicated subreddit focused on it even.

It's funny, but I do think to some extent it has hurt discussion around Moash's character a little bit.

Not so much here, with our relatively small thread.

Durazno Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#2709: Jan 7th 2020 at 9:44:22 PM

I think there's also an aspect of finding the narration following him to be grating and frustrating when you can see the traps he's falling into. I don't especially hate him, but I've been frustrated with other characters for similar reasons.

Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#2710: Jan 8th 2020 at 1:29:23 PM

He's a pretty clear Evil Counterpart to the heroes because he keeps getting in similar situations to them (several of his scenes have entire conversations lifted straight from Kaladin's story), but he's making all the wrong choices. The point isn't that he's done worse, it's that he's doing worse, and has demonstrated absolutely no sign of stopping. Everyone else has realized that what they've done is wrong and stepped back.

That's part of the theme of the series: You've never gone too far to stop and try to be better, but you do have to stop and try to be better. And Odium's shtick is "just follow my orders and you won't be responsible for anything."

As for Dalinar, I think there's a reason why we were only shown his crimes after he had started to redeem himself and spent two books as the most morally-upright character. Audience reaction might have been significantly different if he was a villain who was trying to redeem himself.

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Rytex Your Friend on the Other Side from Here, There, Everywhere (Ancient one) Relationship Status: Married to the music
Your Friend on the Other Side
#2711: Jan 17th 2020 at 8:02:02 AM

And we are done with Oathbringer, just in time for Stormlight 4 later this year!

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GoldenKaos Captain of the Dead City from Cirith Ungol Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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#2712: Feb 11th 2020 at 4:41:04 AM

Book 4 has a name now - Rhythm of War

"...in the end the Shadow was only a small and passing thing: there was light and high beauty for ever beyond its reach."
Rytex Your Friend on the Other Side from Here, There, Everywhere (Ancient one) Relationship Status: Married to the music
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#2713: Feb 11th 2020 at 7:11:45 AM

It's been theorized for a while though, right? Considering it was supposed to be Eshonai's flashback book and now it's apparently Venli's.

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GoldenKaos Captain of the Dead City from Cirith Ungol Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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#2714: Feb 11th 2020 at 7:18:11 AM

Either way, the confirmation is here.

"...in the end the Shadow was only a small and passing thing: there was light and high beauty for ever beyond its reach."
Rytex Your Friend on the Other Side from Here, There, Everywhere (Ancient one) Relationship Status: Married to the music
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#2715: Feb 11th 2020 at 11:48:20 AM

Yeah, saw it on his Facebook.

My sis thinks we might see Nale brought into direct confrontation with the new Knights Radiant toward the end, before deciding to fold in and let Dalinar run things, maybe even defer to Szeth when he realizes his instincts and stuff can't be trusted. Or perhaps Szeth's book will be the one where that happens.

She also thinks that Jezrien's death isn't what it appears. After all, the gem started glowing after the thing happened, so she thinks he got Elder Scrolls-style Soul Gem'ed to keep him out of the way.

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Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#2716: Feb 11th 2020 at 3:26:06 PM

Even in Oathbringer, there's some weird stuff going on with him. He specifically interrupted Szeth before he could swear an oath that would likely have led to him following Odium with everyone else, and at the final battle he has all the Skybreakers just hanging out, even though he has supposedly sworn to Odium and Odium would obviously want him to join the fight.

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Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#2717: Feb 21st 2020 at 12:45:45 PM

Can any of the poor sods who got the bad Shards be said to be evil?

Like, apparently, Ruin used to be a swell guy but...well, he's Ruin. Odium was always a jerk but but what does it really matter?

I was just thinking about Ruin and Odium and who is worse/more evil and then realized it's kind of a wrongheaded question.

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#2718: Feb 21st 2020 at 1:47:42 PM

I think it shows in different ways. Ati was a good man and Ruin was - for all his malevolence - actually thinking he was doing a good thing.

Imagine Ruin in the hands of someone who'd only want to see the world burn.

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32ndfreeze Since: Mar, 2012
#2719: Feb 21st 2020 at 4:16:27 PM

I'm pretty interested to see exactly how the 16 came about once we get Dragonsteel.

Specifically, I want to know if they were just in the right place at the right time.

Because I'm curious if any of the shard holders were just average regular people, and not highly competent people like Vin, Dalinar, Navani, Vasher, ect.

Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#2720: Feb 21st 2020 at 5:48:50 PM

In one of the side stories (Secret History, I think?) it was mentioned that it was intentional, though everyone had their own reasons for doing it. Likewise, the fact that Ati was able to choose the Shard of Ruin and Rayse was able to choose the Shard of Odium makes it clear they didn't just get random Shards assigned by personality or whatever.

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32ndfreeze Since: Mar, 2012
#2721: Feb 21st 2020 at 6:13:05 PM

[up]Ah, I forgot about that.

That sort of implies they were probably motivated people then.

I was wondering specifically because I was thinking maybe a few of them might have coasted on their power somewhat. Which would have made them easier targets.

It certainly seems like Rayse would be one to try and figure out as much as possible.

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#2722: Feb 22nd 2020 at 12:20:51 AM

It sounds like, the longer someone holds onto a Shard, the more their individuality is subsumed by the Shard's intent. Given its been many thousands of years since the breaking of Adonalsium, it's questionable whether anything of their original personalities remains.

Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#2723: Mar 28th 2020 at 12:23:33 AM

So I just finished my reread of the TSA books we have now. Oathbringer is still so, so good.

One mystery that weighs on my mind though is from the first book. When Jasnah kills the thugs and expresses nothing but callous contempt for their deaths, Shallan wonders "what happened to you?"

Do you think, as I do, that this was foreshadowing? That we'll get some backstory about some trauma in her past in the future? The fact we have gotten nothing up until now makes me wonder if I'm just reading too much into that one line.

Having been reminded of how openly vicious she is to Amaram, maybe he has something to do with whatever happened to her in the past?

32ndfreeze Since: Mar, 2012
#2724: Mar 28th 2020 at 1:08:35 AM

We're totally getting more Jasnah eventually. According to a Cosmere wiki she's planned to have flashbacks in Book 10.

Given the current plan is for them to be after two(!) Heralds and Renarin, she must know some crazy stuff. Although it may also mean she'll do some stuff offscreen in the timeskip.

Speaking of Oathbringer.

I can't believe it came out in 2017. Time really flies.

I'll need to reread it later in the year before Book 4.

Edited by 32ndfreeze on Mar 28th 2020 at 7:11:59 PM

Samaldin Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#2725: Mar 28th 2020 at 1:12:42 AM

[up][up] Jasnah is one of the flashback characters planed for the second half of Stormlight, so yes we will most likely get to see her past trauma. Also we already know some stuff about it. Of the top of my head i remember the following: 1) Jasnah states that a childhood illness taught her that even people she loves are able to hurt her and that noone but her seems to remember it. 2) Jasnahs remembers a dark room in which she screamed and screamed but noone would help her. 3) Dalinar once asked Gavilar if there was a trouble again with Jasnah lunacy. 4) The Vorin idea to treat severe mental problems appears to be to put the patient in a dark room alone so they can focus on themself to get better (pretty terrible method). And unconfirmed 5) There is a popular theory that Jasnah was the victim of rape or at least some kind of sexual violence (probably along the lines of Marital Rape License).

In any case i believe Jasnah knew or thought something which was absolutly not acceptable by the Vorin church, but was not considered heresy (maybe some early atheism, but at such a young age that it wasn´t taken seriously, or if 5) is true insisting that it really was rape). So they concluded that she was suffering from lunacy and locked her in a dark room for an extended period. Even Jasnahs parents agreed to that and thought it was for the best. After she got out people started pretending it had never happend, because it would be seen as weakness and the kings daughter can´t be weak, so now she had to deal with the trauma completly on her own.

Edited by Samaldin on Mar 28th 2020 at 9:13:58 AM


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