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slimcoder He kills you with culture... and also violence.
He kills you with culture... and also violence.
Jul 8th 2019 at 7:32:24 PM

Sad thing is that was a couple years ago around the time when X's remastered editions came out.

So if I ever get back into the game again I'd have to start all over because I forgot what the fuck happened.

Edited by slimcoder on Jul 8th 2019 at 7:32:56 AM

My weapon is my burden: a reminder of the path I was forced to take.
Nikkolas from Texas Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
Jul 8th 2019 at 8:44:46 PM

I managed to beat Anima with no aeon last time I played X. The real trick of that fight is her instant death move which you have no protection against at this point. But she actually takes a lot of damage so it doesn't take too long to kill her. Granted, I was well-prepared for the fight, I'm not trying to pretend I'm some badass gamer since I'm not. If you look at some of the absolutely insane challenges people do with FFX, I could never do that.

Also I never understood why they were mad about the machina in the temple. Lulu said flat-out earlier that Yevon decides which machina is permitte d and which is not. Wakka follows up by saying the machina the Al Bhed and Crusaders used against Sin is the forbidden kind.

So by all means criticize Yevon using cannon bots and kickboxing robots and rifles and flamethrowers but elevators or whatever? Who cares.

Edited by Nikkolas on Jul 8th 2019 at 8:47:09 AM

HandsomeRob Return of the Gangsta Bear! from Moopet Theatre Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Return of the Gangsta Bear!
Jul 8th 2019 at 8:47:18 PM

Nope.

If they say no Machina, there should be no exceptions.

Plus, it still sounds hypocritical to say some is alright so that you can use it for yourself.

Once again, wokka wokka!
M84 Such heroic nonsense from Our little blue planet Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Such heroic nonsense
Jul 8th 2019 at 8:51:15 PM

That and there's a lot of machina in the Bevelle temple. Seeing so much proof of the flagrant hypocrisy is utterly demoralizing for Wakka.

Wakka: Another machina? Man...

Auron: So this is Yevon's true face. They betray their own teachings.

Wakka: They treated us like dirt.

It makes sense that Bevelle would have so much machina too. Back in the day their tech was so advanced that they were winning a war against a magic using civilization with access to Aeons. Heck, it turns out they even had a machina superweapon that could rival Sin in power! Though they at least weren't stupid enough to actually activate it.

Edited by M84 on Jul 8th 2019 at 11:54:32 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas
Professional Forum Ninja
Jul 10th 2019 at 3:12:10 AM So I'll make a resolution, that I'll never make another one, just enjoy this ride on my trip around the sun, until its done.
FrozenWolf2 Avatar of War from Have you seen me?
Avatar of War
Jul 10th 2019 at 6:00:01 AM

I have it on good authority that the Machina used against Sin at the operation was sanctioned by Yevon!

Lord Seymour signed the papers

"When you rule by fear, your greatest weakness is the one who's no longer afraid."
RodimusMinor Not actually a minor
Not actually a minor
Jul 10th 2019 at 1:19:27 PM

I hope the Added Cut Materia isn't too useful because my characters passed out literally an inch away from it and I'm too salty to go back.

Ghilz Fight It Out! from The Moon, Or Canada Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Fight It Out!
Jul 10th 2019 at 1:52:14 PM

Gives you a free attack when you use the linked spell. So it's useful, but not SUPER useful.

ShirowShirow Gated Tail from Land of maple syrup Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Gated Tail
Jul 10th 2019 at 1:59:33 PM

Sounds like a must have for a Magic Knight though.

Honestly I have no idea how I beat that game with my only game overs being from running headlong into the wandering Weapon superbosses a guy at work has spent days trying to beat Sephiroth.

Bleye knows Sabers.
RodimusMinor Not actually a minor
Not actually a minor
Jul 10th 2019 at 2:12:02 PM

Sephiroth actually powers up depending on how well you perform in the final dungeon. I think he caps off at like five times the HP.

Nikkolas from Texas Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
Jul 11th 2019 at 2:24:32 AM

@Frozen Wolf 2

-yoinks papers away-

Pretend you saw nothing.

One of the more interesting moments of FFX. I've never understood what the point of it is.

Wakka: "But, using machina... That's bad, isn't it?"

Seymour: "Pretend you didn't see them."

Wakka: "Beg your pardon, but that's not something a maester should say!"

Seymour: "Then pretend I didn't say it."

Tidus' narration: "From the first time I laid eyes on him, I never did like Seymour...But you know, some of the things he said that day... They made a lot of sense to me."

I've never understood what Tidus admires about it or if there's any like symbolism here. It's obvious this is about more than just ignoring machina.

M84 Such heroic nonsense from Our little blue planet Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Such heroic nonsense
Jul 11th 2019 at 2:29:03 AM

Seymour: It's true... I should. However... Both the Crusaders and the Al Bhed truly wish peace for Spira. This Operation Mi'ihen was born from that wish they share. Although it may be sacrilege to Yevon, their intentions are pure. And I, Seymour Guado — the person, not the maester of Yevon... As a denizen of Spira, I wish them well in their endeavor.

This is the part that seems to make sense to Tidus.

Edited by M84 on Jul 11th 2019 at 5:29:18 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
asterism Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
Jul 11th 2019 at 3:03:19 AM

"Pretend I didn't say it" is meant to be an early hint that the church of Yevon is full of bullshit I think, showing that they're perfectly happy to ignore their own rules if it suits them

Parade's Lust
M84 Such heroic nonsense from Our little blue planet Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Such heroic nonsense
Jul 11th 2019 at 3:05:43 AM

It's also an early hint that Seymour himself isn't trustworthy, if the ominous music didn't cue you in already.

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MarkIV Alchemist from Lancashire best shire Relationship Status: Not war
Alchemist
Jul 11th 2019 at 3:25:04 AM

Seymour's theme is just "I AM A BAD GUY!"

Seymour's Ambition is one of my favourite battle themes just for how well it nailed the mood of the moment.

Life is more fun with infinite MP.
Jul 11th 2019 at 3:27:59 AM

I think Tidus approved of Seymour's (apparent) willingness to ignore teachings and tradition for the greater good.

GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows?
Formerly G.G.
Jul 11th 2019 at 5:22:05 AM

[up]Seymour is a very broken man who tried to use Sin in order "end" Spira's suffering.

"This slime is the face of Dragon Quest!"
Nikkolas from Texas Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
Jul 11th 2019 at 5:45:35 AM

Thanks for the replies everyone. Interesting stuff.

[up][up][up] The remastered version is the only new song I think is better than the old.

[up] I like the read of Seymour as the logical conclusion of Yevon. Mika says only the power of death truly commands in Spira and Yunalesca talks about how only lies make life worth living. Seymour just took all this and said yep so why are we even bothering to live at all.

Mika and Yunalesca clearly disagree with him but I reckon he'd just say they are both cowards who didn't want to go where their ideology naturally led.

Anura Resist from England Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Resist
Jul 11th 2019 at 7:24:04 AM

Makes me wonder why Seymour bothered with his convoluted plan to become Sin when Vegnagun was just sitting in the basement. Maybe he didnít know about it.

Optimism through stalwart scepticism is a defect not everyone is lucky enough to be cursed with.
M84 Such heroic nonsense from Our little blue planet Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Such heroic nonsense
Jul 11th 2019 at 8:08:54 AM

The Doylist explanation is that Vegnagun hadn't been thought of yet.

The Watsonian explanation is that, being a recently promoted Maester, he hadn't yet been made privy to the existence of Vegnagun. It didn't help that Maester Kinoc didn't fully trust Seymour because of Seymour's patricide.

Edited by M84 on Jul 11th 2019 at 11:09:42 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
FrozenWolf2 Avatar of War from Have you seen me?
Avatar of War
Jul 11th 2019 at 8:20:46 AM

Seymour I think is very genuine in his intent, He is avoiding doing the easy option since He already has a Final Aeon. He like Yuna WANTS to save Spira in a permanent way. He is her foil afterall

Most villains would be reveling in the death caused by the Monster wanting to be like it...

Seymour doesn't come to his If everybody in Spira was Undead Sin couldn't kill them plan until after He himself becomes unsent...

and well Seeing that being unsent doesn't seem to kill your day job or sex life 'See Yunalesca and Auron... wait that came out wrong'

Seymour honestly doesn't seem THAT deranged when you think about it.

"When you rule by fear, your greatest weakness is the one who's no longer afraid."
M84 Such heroic nonsense from Our little blue planet Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Such heroic nonsense
Jul 11th 2019 at 8:25:29 AM

He never gets the idea of turning everyone Unsent.

He just wants everyone dead.

Edited by M84 on Jul 11th 2019 at 11:28:54 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
MarkIV Alchemist from Lancashire best shire Relationship Status: Not war
Alchemist
Jul 11th 2019 at 8:30:21 AM

... Death is a sweet slumber. All the pain of life is gently swept away... Ah, yes. So you see... if all life were to end on Spira, all suffering would end. Don't you see? Do you not agree? That, Yuna, is why I need you. Come, Lady Yuna. Come with me to Zanarkand, the lost city of the dead. With death on our side, we will save Spira, and for this... I will take from you your strength, Yuna, your life, and become the next Sin. I will destroy Spira! I will save it!

Tidus: You're totally nuts!

Life is more fun with infinite MP.
M84 Such heroic nonsense from Our little blue planet Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Such heroic nonsense
Jul 11th 2019 at 8:34:12 AM

While Seymour's the Evil Counterpart to Yuna, he's also a bit of a contrast to Tidus. For all that Tidus (rightly) resents Jecht, he still loves his father at the end of the day and when forced to kill him, was heartbroken. Seymour otoh also (rightly) resented Jyscal, but unlike Tidus genuinely hated his father enough to murder him with no remorse.

Disgusted, but not surprised
asterism Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
Jul 11th 2019 at 2:25:55 PM

I don't think Mika has a 'but death isn't really an answer' attitude given that he himself is dead

Parade's Lust

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