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Unsung have yourself a Metroid little Christmas from a tenement of clay
have yourself a Metroid little Christmas
Dec 4th 2018 at 6:09:02 PM

Sony tried it a few years ago. Nobody was all that interested.

Basically they're expensive, hard to make well, Smash already dominates the market, and Nintendo just owns more more instantly recognizable mascots than most other companies. Why make your own when you could just license your characters to Nintendo for about as much of that particular pie as you're probably likely to get anyway?

Nintendo kind of builds their own market. Things work differently for them than other companies.

I'm probably going to get Anthem. I'm not super into it, but I don't know what happens to Bioware if it tanks, so I guess I'm gonna give it a shot.

Maybe a DA Gaiden Game? Not sure how well that would go over, even if it was on console. But another three years, there's got to be something to bridge the gap.

Edited by Unsung on Dec 4th 2018 at 10:38:06 AM

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Freedom is the right of all sentient beings
Dec 4th 2018 at 6:36:15 PM

If you're not into a game, why decide to buy it? Just wait until the release and reviews.

As customers, we don't owe companies anything except the money we pay them for goods and services. We don't owe them loyalty. I personally have no real strong feelings towards Bioware one way or another — I've liked some of their stuff and hated some other stuff.

Buying Anthem in the hopes of making sure Bioware is able to make another Dragon Age game makes no sense. You should be buying Anthem because you want to play Anthem.

I'm probably not going to get Anthem, mainly because that kind of game just isn't my thing. And if lower sales of Anthem means Bioware is folded and can't make another Dragon Age game...well that's not on me. That's on EA.

Edited by M84 on Dec 4th 2018 at 10:37:51 PM

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InkDagger Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
Dec 4th 2018 at 7:00:08 PM

Its on EA. But the system is ready broke before the customer really enters the question. Companies take notes and they take the wrong messages from things ALL the time.

"Huh, Bioware isn't doing well. Its clearly those SJ Ws who want things that aren't selling well like those damn homosexuals." Its the Principal Skinner meme.

I don't want to buy Anthem unless I see something that genuinely interests me about it, let alone I don't have a PC that can handel it, but I'm REALLY worried about Bioware's future. Sure, its on EA's head if they fuck it up, but EA doesn't care if they fuck it up. They're the annoying cousin who comes over for Christmas and fucks up your shit and breaks things, but calling them out on it results in a big ol' nothing. Damage already done and they don't care.

That was... oddly specific.

Again, Bioware is one of the only companies that acknowledges that people like me exist. And regularly represents those people in interesting and dynamic characters. If they go, I have nowhere else to turn to.

Unsung have yourself a Metroid little Christmas from a tenement of clay
have yourself a Metroid little Christmas
Dec 4th 2018 at 7:35:38 PM

[up][up]That's not what I'm saying. I'm not saying anyone owes it to a company to buy their games blindly, but I've bought games I ended up not liking from companies I had less faith in, including games that reviewed well that ended up gathering dust, and I've liked games that reviewed fairly terribly or garnered a lot of negative hype for one reason or another. I've sometimes enjoyed games that were deeply flawed more than games that were technically just about perfect, because of the personality of the work, the characters and art style and music. There's always a certain risk involved, but if I'm always going to be taking a gamble anyway, liking the company's previous output is as good a reason as any.

They do things I like, with values I support. $60 or $70 isn't a huge price to pay. Hell, I've spent more to have worse times.

Edited by Unsung on Dec 4th 2018 at 8:46:17 AM

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Freedom is the right of all sentient beings
Dec 4th 2018 at 7:38:58 PM

In general I don't like the concept of brand loyalty.

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Unsung have yourself a Metroid little Christmas from a tenement of clay
have yourself a Metroid little Christmas
Dec 4th 2018 at 7:39:25 PM

Okay? I'm not saying you have to do it. And there is, I think, a difference between loyalty to a restaurant chain or car company and wanting to support a team of artists making a creative work.

Edited by Unsung on Dec 4th 2018 at 8:41:01 AM

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Freedom is the right of all sentient beings
Dec 4th 2018 at 7:40:53 PM

The implication from your earlier post is that someone who wants to support Bioware should buy Anthem even if they don't particularly want to actually play the game.

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Unsung have yourself a Metroid little Christmas from a tenement of clay
have yourself a Metroid little Christmas
Dec 4th 2018 at 7:41:27 PM

You're reading that into it. I'm just saying that's what I'm going to do and why.

M84 Freedom is the right of all sentient beings Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Freedom is the right of all sentient beings
Dec 4th 2018 at 7:45:34 PM

I just think that the main reason someone would buy something should be because they actually want it.

And there is, I think, a difference between loyalty to a restaurant chain or car company and wanting to support a team of artists making a creative work.

Not really. Buying Anthem isn't supporting the artists. It's supporting Bioware and by extension EA. Corporations are funny like that. How many of the actual writers and artists can you actually name off the top of your head?

Edited by M84 on Dec 4th 2018 at 11:48:46 PM

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Unsung have yourself a Metroid little Christmas from a tenement of clay
have yourself a Metroid little Christmas
Dec 4th 2018 at 7:54:35 PM

Mark Darrah? Jay Watamaniuk? Patrick Weekes? But I think you're undervaluing what it means to have that many creative people in one place.

Why are you so determined to fight me on this, exactly? I'm not telling you you have to do what I'm going to do. All I said was I was going to give it a shot.

I can feel more than one way about something. I have my reservations, but there's always a certain amount of excitement when it comes to Bioware. Not just because of the name, but because it's a new world to explore from people who are good at making new worlds. I can still be somewhat excited about that, even if EA's looming presence does colour it. It certainly appeals to me in a way that Destiny doesn't.

Edited by Unsung on Dec 4th 2018 at 8:55:57 AM

M84 Freedom is the right of all sentient beings Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Freedom is the right of all sentient beings
Dec 4th 2018 at 8:01:22 PM

$60 or $70 isn't a huge price to pay.

I'd also point out that $60 to $70 is not actually trivial for a lot of people. Especially since a game like Anthem will likely have other costs like DLC or microtransactions or something. And you also gotta consider that most people also want to buy other games too. Games also don't just take up money, they take up time too. A lot of it.

Heck, I have a lot of disposable income and savings and I still hesitate to buy $60 games. I usually wait for them to go on sale or buy the smaller cheaper indie gems.

Since money and time aren't limitless, we all have to exercise caution when it comes to game purchases. caveat emptor.

Edited by M84 on Dec 5th 2018 at 12:04:04 AM

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Unsung have yourself a Metroid little Christmas from a tenement of clay
have yourself a Metroid little Christmas
Dec 4th 2018 at 8:07:25 PM

I never said it was trivial. I don't buy many games at launch — I don't really buy that many major releases at all, to budget for other things. And I never said anyone had to buy the game for any reason, just that I, personally, was going to give it a try. It's the holidays and it's a game I do want to see for myself, even if it's a game most of the people I know have already written off for one reason or another.

Edited by Unsung on Dec 4th 2018 at 9:09:03 AM

InkDagger Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
Dec 4th 2018 at 8:07:39 PM

Patrick Weekes. Karen Weekes. Gaider, but he's gone now. Karpyshan, but he left Bioware again in March of this year. Walters, though I think he left during ME 3? I can't remember. Lukas Kristjanson wrote Sera for Inquisition, though I know him more from I didn't really like Sera and another character he wrote. Jennifer Hepler too.

I follow most of them on twitter. Pretty nice people.

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Freedom is the right of all sentient beings
Dec 4th 2018 at 8:09:46 PM

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it's a game I do want to see for myself

See, that's a perfectly good reason to buy a game. "It looks interesting and I think I might enjoy playing it."

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but he left Bioware again in March of this year. Walters, though I think he left during ME 3?

That's one of the downsides to trying to support a creative team by buying a game. Especially at Bioware. There's a little too much turnover going on there — which in itself does not bode well for the actual game development.

It'd be even harder for someone like me who shuns social media platforms such as Twitter and Facebook like the plague.

Edited by M84 on Dec 5th 2018 at 12:14:09 AM

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InkDagger Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
Dec 4th 2018 at 8:18:11 PM

And if they get rid of the writers I like and I don't like the new writers, maybe I'll stop buying their games, no? That's part of the implied agreement here.

Again, Bioware is one of the only companies that regularly has LGBT characters. I feel obligated to support them, even if I don't inherently love the game they're putting out, because its hard enough to have a stereotyped gay character in games let alone well written ones forming the core cast.

If Bioware goes down, where do I go? Indie game developers where Sturgeon's Law applies? More nonsense love dating sims? Boo.

M84 Freedom is the right of all sentient beings Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Freedom is the right of all sentient beings
Dec 4th 2018 at 8:27:37 PM

There's always Obsidian.

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Unsung have yourself a Metroid little Christmas from a tenement of clay
have yourself a Metroid little Christmas
Dec 4th 2018 at 8:30:59 PM

There could be both, ideally. And Obsidian hasn't made third-person AAA 3D games in some years, so it's not quite one to one.

[up][up]Right? Not everything Bioware does is going to be a masterpiece, it never has been, but I like enough of what they're doing that I want more of it, even when it's full of grindy MMO combat or featureless empty maps. I played enough of The Old Republic and Andromeda to feel like I got my money's worth, so I'm willing to take that chance on Anthem. Experiences don't have to be uniformly good to be interesting to me.

But this is all based on current findings anyway, so if it turns out there's a huge Day One bug or it really is that awful in every review, I may change my mind. But this is how I feel about it now.

Edited by Unsung on Dec 4th 2018 at 9:41:12 AM

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Freedom is the right of all sentient beings
Dec 4th 2018 at 8:32:15 PM

TBF, Ink didn't specifically say they wanted AAA 3D games with LGBT characters. Just a company that recognizes that LGBT people exist.

But this is all based on current findings anyway, so if it turns out there's a huge Day One bug or it really is that awful in every review, I may change my mind. But this is how I feel about it now.

I generally don't make up my mind about whether or not I want a game until after it's out for a week. That usually leaves enough time for reviews to come out, initial impressions from customers, and any massive gamebreaking bugs to be discovered.

Edited by M84 on Dec 5th 2018 at 12:38:58 AM

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Dec 4th 2018 at 8:40:02 PM

The main reason I'm not planning to get Anthem is because I still don't have the slightest idea what it is. Their advertising has been crap.

If it turns out to be great, sure, I'll buy it—I loved Andromeda despite its flaws. But it definitely isn't a day one buy.

InkDagger Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
Dec 4th 2018 at 8:40:12 PM

Fine. I will clarify and point down my terms.

Bioware is basically the only companies that does Major AAA RPG Video Games that regularly features LGBT representation within its core casts.

Happy?

I apprecieate Obsidian and I've tried their games but I frequently have difficulty getting hooked. New Vegas hooked me REALLY good a year ago... only for the game to stop running entirely and I couldn't play it. Damn irony. I think they're pretty hit or miss for me. I think maybe its just a video game thing for me that reading large conversations in text just pulls me out of video games. I can read them if its a codex or some in game book or something, but... stuff like that usually kills my immersion.

[up]That's mostly my worry. I know what it is gameplay wise and its not something in my wheelhouse at all, and what little I know story wise isn't promising or igniting my interest. But, again, they've barely said anything about the story.

Edited by InkDagger on Dec 4th 2018 at 8:41:41 AM

M84 Freedom is the right of all sentient beings Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Freedom is the right of all sentient beings
Dec 4th 2018 at 8:45:58 PM

One saving grace was that the developers confirmed that Anthem won't have lootboxes. So that's good. But if one likes Bioware for its depictions of LGBT relationships, they probably won't be impressed by Anthem not having any romance options.

Edited by M84 on Dec 5th 2018 at 12:47:24 AM

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Unsung have yourself a Metroid little Christmas from a tenement of clay
have yourself a Metroid little Christmas
Dec 4th 2018 at 8:48:56 PM

[up][up]For what it's worth, Pillars of Eternity II: Deadfire is fully voiced. It sort of does the DA 2 thing where all the romanceable companions are bi, though explicitly so rather than only showing up if you romance them. You can get it in the $30 USD range on Fanatical at the moment, and the last DLC of the season pass is coming out on the 13th. It's a top-down isometric Real Time with Pause RPG, but they bumped up the graphics by quite a lot, the companions banter quite a bit, and the impact of spells and attacks does feel more dynamic than those sorts of games usually do.

Edited by Unsung on Dec 4th 2018 at 9:49:45 AM

InkDagger Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
Dec 4th 2018 at 8:51:45 PM

[up]I've been trying to finish the first game and Tyranny so far. I tend to hate playing/reading/watching a sequel if I haven't looked at the first. I get bursts of interest and then... I can't quite get as hooked as I'd like and I don't know why.

[up][up]One of the many things that has me less than impressed with Anthem so far. What little we know is NOT playing to Bioware's base or skills.

Edited by InkDagger on Dec 4th 2018 at 8:52:36 AM

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Freedom is the right of all sentient beings
Dec 4th 2018 at 8:54:15 PM

That the story writing in Anthem — normally a Bioware forte — wasn't really brought up in E3 was already something of a red flag.

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Unsung have yourself a Metroid little Christmas from a tenement of clay
have yourself a Metroid little Christmas
Dec 4th 2018 at 8:56:19 PM

[up][up]The first POE is honestly kind of a slog. I liked it, but it's not an easy sell. And I actually really enjoyed Tyranny, but it's very much entrenched in Obsidian's dark, edgy sensibilities and that's not for everyone. POE 2 is more akin to FNV, I'd say. I think people would've found it a lot more accessible, but that a lot of would've-been players, like yourself, got turned off by the first game.

[up]It is, yeah. They want that multiplayer hype, and they're not really getting it, but it seems like they've just kept doubling down on it.

Edited by Unsung on Dec 4th 2018 at 10:41:00 AM


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