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DaceyMormont Since: May, 2020
#201: Jan 26th 2025 at 9:40:57 PM

Well that's what I'm referring to. It's more nitpicking than straight up bashing but it is still complaining.

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#202: Jan 26th 2025 at 9:48:28 PM

Also, there being a lot of complaining doesn't justify its existence. It just means the complaining needs cleaning up.

Though I'll note that jandn is right, and complaining was indeed not the primary issue here. I only included the folder because, when I brought up doing the wick check again a while back, I was told to include it — and quite frankly, given the recent thread for The Problem with Licensed Games, I'm clearly no good at identifying TRS-able complaining in wick checks.

Edited by themayorofsimpleton on Jan 26th 2025 at 12:50:28 PM

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DaceyMormont Since: May, 2020
#203: Jan 26th 2025 at 9:53:41 PM

I'd really echo other sentiments, that it feels too broad. And I'll add that it isn't really possible to create a truly timeless work. You can find any work from any time and find some element that dates it.

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#204: Jan 26th 2025 at 9:58:46 PM

I stand by my support for Definition-Only.

Given that a straight-up cut or disambig is no longer possible on account of the high inbounds, I wonder if a crowner might be a good idea? Although I can't gather options right now as I'm about to go to sleep.

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#205: Jan 26th 2025 at 10:00:15 PM

TBF, "complaining" has always been a TRS concern I've been skeptical about since 9/10 times there's nothing we can realistically do besides clean it up, and it's really hard to demonstrate objectively.

I have no idea what we can do here, though.

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#206: Jan 26th 2025 at 10:02:43 PM

Are there any further definition restrictions that can be made?

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#207: Jan 26th 2025 at 10:06:09 PM

[up][up] Is Definition-Only still an option, or has that been ruled out? Haven't been following this too closely so I'm not sure.

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#208: Jan 27th 2025 at 10:23:04 AM

If the admins won't let definition-only slide, Just for Fun may be a possible alternative.

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#209: Jan 27th 2025 at 10:23:56 AM

JFF wouldn't be horrible. Def-Only is also fine with me but would definitely be a more substantial change.

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#211: Jan 27th 2025 at 10:26:20 AM

Sorry to double post, but I figured I'd just page the admins just in case.

~Kory Would the admins be alright with Definition-Only or JFF here?

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SharkToast Since: Mar, 2013
#212: Jan 27th 2025 at 12:32:36 PM

I think JFF would provide an outlet for all the "look what I noticed" examples.

costanton11 Since: Mar, 2016
#213: Jan 27th 2025 at 2:23:27 PM

[up] I think a problem with that is that many of those examples (like mentioning someone who is now dead) are just natural consequences of the passing of time.

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#214: Jan 27th 2025 at 2:24:26 PM

Sure, but if people think it's fun to point them out... there's no harm in shunting those to JFF and then moving other stuff to the suggested tropes.

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DebbieOppenheimer Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#215: Jan 31st 2025 at 1:42:00 AM

Just For Fun is where it can and _should_ go.

And 'the natural passing of time' is what *causes* an UPP for Pete's sake! One must note Lance Mannion's words (quoted at our Popular History entry).

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#216: Jan 31st 2025 at 2:36:02 AM

This sounds to me like Just for Fun is being used as a dumping ground again. I don't think that these examples are particularly likely to be funny. Still favour definition-only.

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costanton11 Since: Mar, 2016
#217: Jan 31st 2025 at 5:43:40 AM

[up][up] By that I was referring to things that weren't going to last forever, like politicians no longer being in office or people dying.

Tabs Since: Jan, 2001
#218: Jan 31st 2025 at 9:53:34 AM

The way UPP attracts minor examples, I'd say people might be having too much fun with this as a YMMV thing. So I'm fine with JFF and letting tropers have fun. Also fine with Def Only since cutting's off the table.

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#219: Jan 31st 2025 at 10:06:51 AM

Yeah, I'm not seeing it as a "just dump it in JFF" case. People seem to be having fun with these examples and JFF has less rules so people can just go wild and point out whatever they want to.

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MorganWick (Elder Troper)
#220: Feb 1st 2025 at 12:51:04 AM

JFF doesn't have to be funny, per se, but I'm a bit concerned about a page with a title that makes it seem like a trope being dumped in JFF. It screams "we couldn't figure out what to do with this so we're throwing it in the JFF bin".

thatsnumberwang (Elder Troper)
#221: Feb 1st 2025 at 6:33:27 AM

Just For Fun gets my vote because clearly a lot of people do enjoy it. And that imo is a justification for its existence in and of itself.

The fact is, if this website was just a catalogue of tropes then it would have withered and died a long time ago. "Fun" is the secret sauce that keeps the wheels turning.

Incidentally, I do not agree with this being a YMMV trope anyway. It either is dated or it isn't dated. There really should not be much cause for discussion there.

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#222: Feb 1st 2025 at 10:55:05 AM

It was made YMMV because of the "unintentional" bit. Tropes shouldn't be accidental, and whether or not something is so dated as to be a period piece is subjective.

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TMH-Sir-Iron-Vomit The clown of STEEL from Ichnusa Since: Mar, 2024
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#223: Feb 1st 2025 at 2:26:29 PM

What if we moved this to Darth Wiki instead?

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#224: Feb 1st 2025 at 2:43:08 PM

That implies it's inherently dark or negative.

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#225: Feb 1st 2025 at 2:51:40 PM

Darth doesn't feel like a viable option, as it would lead to unnecessary negativity.

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Unintentional Period Piece has long been heavily misused, frequently attracting examples that list literally every single dated thing in a work. This crowner will determine how best to fix this item.

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