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randomtroper89 from The Fire Nation Since: Nov, 2010
#1: Dec 16th 2024 at 10:25:39 AM

I always believed What Measure Is an Index? is about Narrative Disregard, but with most tropes listed the disregard comes from the characters which the story portrays negatively.

The question is whether most of these below are misused or not.


Codae Since: Aug, 2022
#2: Dec 17th 2024 at 6:33:08 PM

Most of the oldest tropes in the index do tend to demonstrate the "narrative disregard" you're looking for: What Measure Is a Non-Human?, What Measure Is a Non-Cute?, What Measure Is a Mook?. Muggle Power, formerly What Measure Is a Non-Super?, is the exception, but it used to have a sentence at the beginning of its description that could be applied to the narration rather than specific characters. What Measure Is An Objective is just a bizarrely named snowclone.

randomtroper89 from The Fire Nation Since: Nov, 2010
#3: Dec 18th 2024 at 12:42:31 AM

Yes I think I implied that by omission. I don't know why those tropes where added to the index, probably to pad it out.

Anyway if the misused tropes are removed, will they be enough remaining ones for the index to remain.

Lymantria Tyrannoraptoran Reptiliomorph from Toronto Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: Historians will say we were good friends.
Tyrannoraptoran Reptiliomorph
#4: Dec 18th 2024 at 7:27:46 PM

Ah, but what are the ones that do fit “narrative disregard”, and how?

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randomtroper89 from The Fire Nation Since: Nov, 2010
#5: Dec 18th 2024 at 9:54:24 PM

To make myself more clear these tropes are the ones that involve the narrative doing the disregard

This one seems like an odd-duck

  • What Measure Is a Humanoid? Honestly this doesn't seem to have anything to do with expandability, rather whether a sapient-nonhumanoid can be a love interest.

Edited by randomtroper89 on Dec 18th 2024 at 12:03:53 PM

MorganWick (Elder Troper)
#6: Dec 20th 2024 at 12:27:59 AM

...yeah, that last one is a Bad Snowclone; if it were to fit at all it would fit better if it said non-humanoid. It also feels like a judgment on the trope itself that almost makes it come off as an audience reaction, which it may well be considering the objective trope it describes may just be Interspecies Romance (since only the last sentence of the description touches on romances with non-humanoids, although IR actually doesn't seem to touch much on relationships with Rubber-Forehead Aliens let alone Human Aliens). Probably needs a trip to TRS, but that's a tangent from talking about the index in general.

Edited by MorganWick on Dec 20th 2024 at 12:35:01 PM

Lymantria Tyrannoraptoran Reptiliomorph from Toronto Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: Historians will say we were good friends.
Tyrannoraptoran Reptiliomorph
#7: Dec 20th 2024 at 3:15:10 AM

What Measure Is a Humanoid? has had two TRS threads a long time ago, but they both clocked out.

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