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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#776: May 5th 2025 at 8:43:51 AM

Maybe? But there's really only one moment where that even comes up. If they wanted to do that, they should've done a bit more with her backstory the way they did with the other characters, but they chose not to.

FOFD Since: Apr, 2013
#777: May 5th 2025 at 8:46:57 AM

I'll admit I'm gullible for conspiracy theories, but I'm still going to lean more on "something definitely happened they're not at liberty to discuss with the public right now."

Taskmaster was standing with the group in the initial trailer when they confronted Valentina. The only other time I know of when the MCU has blatantly lied like this was in the trailer for Infinity War.

    possible spoilers 

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/thunderbolts.JPG

Stay tuned for a telling Twitter post from Olga Kurylenko in a few years...

Edited by FOFD on May 5th 2025 at 10:33:02 AM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#778: May 5th 2025 at 8:47:42 AM

Taskmaster, really should have learned to climb anything.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
MurlocAggroB from the second-most ridiculous province of Canada Since: May, 2015
#779: May 5th 2025 at 8:50:45 AM

[up][up][up] You don't need to keep bringing it up for it to continue to impact the characters. It's just one of many things that drives the characters for the rest of the movie. Also, why waste screen time developing a character that dies in two seconds? That's not economic filmmaking.

[up][up] MCU trailers are deceptive all the time. You remember the Spider-Men being edited out of No Way Home? (Also, maybe folderize that image for spoilers. That makes it way too obvious what we're talking about).

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#780: May 5th 2025 at 8:51:40 AM

You don't need to keep bringing it up for it to continue to impact the characters. It's just one of many things that drives the characters for the rest of the movi

If it's supposed to be considered something that drives the characters, then... yeah. It should be something that's given more mention than two lines of dialogue.

You remember the Spider-Men being edited out of No Way Home?

Yeah, but that was the big twist of the film. Taskmaster not being in the film doesn't really add or remove anything from the story. Even the scene she's in was perfectly doable with three characters instead of four.

Edited by KnownUnknown on May 5th 2025 at 8:53:07 AM

FOFD Since: Apr, 2013
#781: May 5th 2025 at 8:52:09 AM

I didn't know about that, but all three appeared, didn't they? oh, the opposite.

Edited by FOFD on May 5th 2025 at 8:52:29 AM

MurlocAggroB from the second-most ridiculous province of Canada Since: May, 2015
#782: May 5th 2025 at 9:07:33 AM

[up][up] Strongly disagree, and maybe bad phrasing on my part. It's part of what causes a turning point for Ava, but they don't have to keep going back to it because the point has already been turned. That was just another of a long list of people she's killed, so it's not like she's particularly traumatized by it. It's more that she recognizes the way it hurt Yelena, which opens her up to empathize with her and the person she killed.

No arguments that the way the marketing handled Taskmaster was poor. That's out of the film's control, though. I understand that it feels like a waste of the character, but my point is that it's not pointless or random. It does serve the characters.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#783: May 5th 2025 at 9:14:41 AM

Everyone kept making jokes about it.]

Everyone was like, “who cares about Taskmaster. Just kill her off.”

Now she’s gone, and everyone is like, “boo! She shouldn’t have died!”

People. Don’t. Learn.

One Strip! One Strip!
BigBadShadow25 With my last breath, I curse Zoidberg. from Basement at the Alamo (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded) Relationship Status: Desperate
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#784: May 5th 2025 at 9:20:19 AM

Oop! New poster! Very spoilery!

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https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/img_2794.jpeg

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Ego-Man25 Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
#786: May 5th 2025 at 9:31:53 AM

...Is the new angle they're going for, the following question? "...These guys are The New Avengers, of all things? How the fuck did we get here?" Because if so... Devil's Advocate, but... I can see the logic in it.

Self-professed Wild Card who thinks cynicism isn't so bad.
MurlocAggroB from the second-most ridiculous province of Canada Since: May, 2015
#787: May 5th 2025 at 9:46:52 AM

Spoiled the name, but Taskmaster's still on the poster. 'Kay.


I had a shower thought, by the way: In the stinger, what if instead of the Fantastic Four, it's actually Doctor Doom on a stolen ship?

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FOFD Since: Apr, 2013
#788: May 5th 2025 at 9:47:28 AM

Well now we have the New Avengers and the New Avengerz so it's fine.

Because of the z, you know.

It makes it legally distinct in all the ways that matter.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#789: May 5th 2025 at 9:57:38 AM

I'm meh on the New Avengers name because imo the best New Avengers team is Luke Cage's one, the films have access to all the characters who were on it now, and we're still not getting it.

Mostly Joking Mode, but still. We were just talking in the main Marvel thread about how there's not too much of a civilian element in the MCU, and that's a whole team of civilians who tried to step up and be heroes (and Doctor Strange). Would've been cool.

ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#790: May 5th 2025 at 9:58:20 AM

It was nice to see the whole team saving civilians. That's not something you get a lot of in modern superhero movies.

KRider Desire Grand Prix Entry from Origin System Since: Feb, 2021
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#791: May 5th 2025 at 9:58:42 AM

Don't forget the B-vengers.

Edited by KRider on May 6th 2025 at 12:59:00 AM

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Ego-Man25 Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
#792: May 5th 2025 at 10:02:16 AM

What about The Revengers?

Self-professed Wild Card who thinks cynicism isn't so bad.
AlexHopeLife Since: Feb, 2025
#793: May 5th 2025 at 10:02:44 AM

I wonder how they'll handle the groups rivalry without Sam Wilson coming across as an arrogant elitist.

KRider Desire Grand Prix Entry from Origin System Since: Feb, 2021
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#794: May 5th 2025 at 10:04:05 AM

[up][up]MCU needs to introduce the Cancerverse 1st and hire a voice coach who knows how to speak Aklo.

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lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#795: May 5th 2025 at 10:21:19 AM

The writer revealed they had a different main villain before the rewrites, that being John Walker/US Agent.

"That version was kind of fun, but ultimately didn't work and didn't feel right tone-wise. I had already kind of layered in the whole Breakfast Club thing, so I was like, 'I want someone that they can't beat in a punching fight and that they have to connect to in an emotional way,'" Pearson said. "I'd read the Sentry comics. In the comics, it's like the golden God of Good vs. Pure Evil. But I was like, 'What if it's heroic ambition and self-esteem versus self-loathing and depression and loneliness?'"

Edited by lalalei2001 on May 5th 2025 at 1:31:28 PM

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#796: May 5th 2025 at 10:23:27 AM

@Ego Man.

About the title, yeah this just makes it clear to me they should have went with that title in the first place, not Thunderbolts.

If Songbird and Zemo aren't even going to be here, don't use that name.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
AlexHopeLife Since: Feb, 2025
#797: May 5th 2025 at 10:28:06 AM

[up]*2 John Walker is basically "what if the candidate the Colonel Phillips wanted, had been selected," so I understand the appeal of making him the villain.

Edited by AlexHopeLife on May 5th 2025 at 10:29:24 AM

ECD Since: Nov, 2021
#798: May 5th 2025 at 10:29:37 AM

On Bucky he finds the area by tracking Mel's phone as she directly tells him to do when she calls him and finds them by presumably seeing the battle and figuring ehoever OXE was after would be useful...so, you know, good thing it wasnt a bunch of random civilian witnesses who wiuld have been pancaked by his arrest methods, but supersoldier, he could probably see them all? My memory isn't great, but I assumed he took the cuffs from one of the OXE guys given Val ordered them to be nonlethally captured.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#799: May 5th 2025 at 10:30:29 AM

I feel terrible for John Walker and I hate John Walker.

So Thunderbolts did something right.

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FOFD Since: Apr, 2013

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