I don't think you guys realize that there's two different iterations of the
Thunderbolts
in the comics.
Edited by Dictionaryman616 on May 4th 2025 at 4:40:24 AM
I guess in How It Should Have Ended, Sentry/Void won't be the life of the party.
Edited by AlexHopeLife on May 4th 2025 at 6:41:06 AM
I think that everyone reappeared on the ground. The Thunderbolts all popped back hugging Bob in a place where they didn't go in. Also I'm pretty sure the little girl got zapped in the middle of the street but came back on a sidewalk. Maybe the Mental World correlates to real space in some way.
Also, Bob took his civilian outfit with him. He went in as a superhero, came out in sweatpants.
regulation pigeonWe made a deadpool bet in this or the MCU thread months back betting on how many people Sentry was going to kill.
This HISHE is going to be fun
I liked the movie overall but I geel Valentina's endgame was a little weak. Not the advanced Chessmaster I thought she was being built up as. In my mind she's a sh-tty Stark and Fury combo right down to the drinking in the repurposed Avengers Tower and her own assembly of heroes being her death warrant.
Though it makes the tagline "becareful who you assemble" make a lot of sense.
I like how they handled Sentry. It's not what I expected by being what I expected they pretty much get wrecked in 30 seconds by Fabio Superman.
I like how they handled Void with Bob's violence/attacking him not being the solution, as it just pushed Bob's support system further and further away. And despite claiming "victory" he's not completely dealt with either.
I am convinced that the stinger means the FF's universe is effed.
Also did they have beef with Taskmaster's actress. I know I disliked her, but I don't think she deserved to be offed in a single scene. I figured they were going to bring her back as a twist but, no, she's straight up dead and barely counts as womanpain for Yelena. Which felt hollow because Nat was the one who ruined TM's life.
Edited by FOFD on May 5th 2025 at 4:31:08 AM
I'm seriously suspecting that too, and if so I'll be kind of pissed because that would mean this movie spoils the end of that one. However, someone at the theatre I was at posited a different possibility: that what we're seeing is the beginning of the Fantastic Four's story rather than the end, rather than the end: that their ship came here after getting bombarded cosmic rays, and that's how they got their powers, going back to their own afterwards.
Makes one wonder if Doom will have his history with Reed and already an experienced supervillain who fought the FF, or if he's going to be a new villain the FF have met after years of being heroes, like how Life Story handled their dynamic.
"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"Again, I kinda roll my eyes at now being upset Taskmaster was killed off. There was apathy at best from most around the character returning, at worst just straight up "Why is this character returning?" I think we're definitely gonna need some Alas, Poor Scrappy and Broken Base entries down the road...
Having said that, I DO scoff at one of the comments I've seen in an interview that the reason was to give a sense of Anyone Can Die to the story. If that was the plan, Taskmaster wasn't the character to kill off. Because I couldn't help thinking about the meta reasoning, even in the theater. There were a couple times I thought Red Guardian was going to bite it, but I thought that would happen before seeing the movie.
As for Valentina's fate? I kinda like it. Yelena's smug "We own you now" is a nice turnabout after Valentina has spent all her MCU screen time being a Smug Snake.
Finally got back from watching Thunderbolts aka the B-vengers
And I actually like it as Florence Pugh is once again the MVP of the movie followed by Lewis Pullman as Bob. I do think the marketing worked too well in fooling people into thinking that this is a Suicide Squad knock-off when it in fact really is a Guardians of the Galaxy knock-off done right. And despite all the comparisons between Sentry and Superman, Eternals' Ikaras fits the Superman knock-off role more and given that Sentry's other often-forgotten superpowers (telekinesis and telepathy) are depicted plus Bob's backstory he's more Shima Tetsuo than Superman. I actually find the jokes (especially the end credits jokes) here funnier than the jokes in Deadpool & Wolverine and the interaction between the team is enjoyable. As for Congressman Bucky him looking clocked out as a congressman and being very alive as soon as he's back in the field does actually remind me of James Kirk's brief tenure as a Starfleet Admiral where he's obviously bored w/ it and Spock noticed that he wants to go back to being a captain. Also glad that Mel's not Melissa Gold as I find Geraldine Viswanathan to be too meek for a physical role. If Mel was portrayed by someone more physically capable like Sofia Boutella then that would be more believable though I would prefer an actual wrestler be cast as Songbird such as Timeless Toni Storm.
Some nitpicks and criticisms though is how was Val able to set up a press conference that quickly? Also have a hard time believing that Bucky of all people wound up willing to play ball w/ Val after everything has happened to the point where 14 months later he and Captain America now have a disagreement over copyright of all things. Also how would the New Avengerz/B-vengers be able to keep Val in check if she so easily ran circles around them in the end. Things like this is one of the reasons why I have a strong dislike for Evil Mastermind villains who get away too often, w/c is why Gargoyles the animated series never worked for me and am more of an Exo-Squad fan but that's another story. Also where the hell is every other superhero!? This movie was confirmed to be set after Captain America 4 yet Bucky decided to bring the B-vengers to New York instead of bringing them to the congressional hearing then phone Sam and the others in on what Val's plotting in the old Avengers Tower. The New York Sanctum and the Sorcerers assigned there were too busy w/ something to do anything about The Void? This actually does tie in to a recent discussion in the main MCU thread about how James Gunn's DCU feels more like a living, breathing shared universe than the majority of the MCU w/ the only ones doing the heavy lifting are the MCU's cosmic side, Ms Marvel and She-Hulk. Also have more criticisms but this is more to do w/ the MCU's trajectory after settling on the Multiverse Saga but will post it later in the main MCU thread.
Overall, I'd rate Thunderbolts as my 3rd favorite Phase 5 MCU movie w/ Guardians of the Galaxy 3 as #1 and The Marvels as #2. If we include the tv shows then Agatha All Along will shoot straight up at #1 and Thunderbolts will be pushed back to #5 w/ Loki season 2 as #4 and Ironheart's yet to premiere so the total ranking is still in flux.
Set! Avenge! "Henshin." Black General! Bujin Sword! Ready, Fight!There is something funny, however, about how CONFIDENT people were with their predictions that Red Guardian was gonna be the one to bite it… yet here he is, still swinging away to live another day, no worse for wear. That limousine service probably did WONDERS to help him with his health insurance.
Self-professed Wild Card who thinks cynicism isn't so bad.

You think so, really?
Because I don't see them fitting the Thunderbolts concept of heroes seeking redemption at all.
Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.