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M1gamiTensei The Scrappy of the Trope Pantheon, God of Thumps from Punished “Brainwashed” M1gami Since: Oct, 2017 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#301: Feb 15th 2025 at 12:00:37 PM

I think everyone prefers Winter Soldier.

I wish Marvel took away from the emotional stakes for this movie.

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Moroaica Since: Aug, 2017
#302: Feb 15th 2025 at 12:10:51 PM

Saw the post credits It's hilarious that they are making Stern say that there are "other worlds" as if it would be a surprise to Sam. Like no duh, Earth has been publicly invaded by aliens like 3 times, and there's a giant cosmic god sticking out of the ocean. He probably means a multiverse but picked poor words that made it seem like he was saying "water is wet"

TomWithoutJerry Tyranny Bad, Democracy Good. from Where Might Makes Right and I have no Might. Since: Dec, 2023
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#303: Feb 15th 2025 at 12:36:53 PM

Maybe seeing the Sonyverse traumatized him too much.

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Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
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#304: Feb 15th 2025 at 1:14:21 PM

[up][up] It's the worst post credits in the MCU. At least Eternals was teasing stuff with Thanos, Celestial, and Blade. This was lol check out Doomsday and Secret Wars bro.

Edited by Mizerous on Feb 15th 2025 at 4:14:32 AM

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ArsThaumaturgis Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: I've been dreaming of True Love's Kiss
#305: Feb 15th 2025 at 1:29:25 PM

@Moroaica, regarding Falcon and the Winter Soldier:

Reminds me of how Falcon and Winter Soldier had US Agent be sympathetic while the eeeevil leftists who had the evil plan of making sure resources are shared to the poor all died

I'd argue that that's not quite what happened.

Yes, USAgent was treated sympathetically—but he was also portrayed as being very much in the wrong. (Note how our protagonists pretty much want nothing to do with him, and that he scuttles at least one attempt to resolve the conflict with the Flag Smashers non-violently.

As to the Flag Smashers, as I recall it they were depicted as being pretty thoroughly justified in what they wanted. The reason that they became antagonists was due to their methods, not their goals.

So hardly a case of "evil leftists".

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Moroaica Since: Aug, 2017
#306: Feb 15th 2025 at 1:29:56 PM

[up][up] IT'S LEADERIN' TIME! ONE LEADILLION DOLLARS

Edited by Moroaica on Feb 15th 2025 at 1:30:26 AM

Olympos (Private)
#307: Feb 15th 2025 at 1:34:37 PM

I just saw the Cinema Score for this movie. This is gonna flop…

Edited by Olympos on Feb 15th 2025 at 4:35:14 AM

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#308: Feb 15th 2025 at 1:35:56 PM

Expect that it has been doing well at the box office so far. Exactly what most sites predicted.

Again, it's only been out for a day and a half, it's too early to go "Yep this is going to flop".

As a side note, I put little faith in Cinemascores.

Edited by Bullman on Feb 15th 2025 at 3:39:51 AM

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Olympos (Private)
#309: Feb 15th 2025 at 1:40:01 PM

[up] I likely won’t have good legs. Just look at the other recent superhero films with similar scores.

Edited by Olympos on Feb 15th 2025 at 4:40:24 AM

ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#310: Feb 15th 2025 at 1:41:18 PM

Either way, popping into a thread just to say "this will fail" is needlessly negative.

Remember rule 1.

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#311: Feb 15th 2025 at 1:41:20 PM

[up][up]Expect those all cost a lot more.

[up] Is also right in my opinion?

Edited by Bullman on Feb 15th 2025 at 3:41:58 AM

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Dictionaryman616 Since: Mar, 2020 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#312: Feb 15th 2025 at 1:41:44 PM

The post-credit scene reminds me of that one from the Arrowverse, Part 3 of Elseworlds where Psycho Pirate randomly says, "Worlds will live. Worlds will die. And the universe will never be the same." I'm not saying Marvel copied it, but it's just as cheesy and blatant as Samuel Sterns' spiel.

[down] True.

Edited by Dictionaryman616 on Feb 15th 2025 at 4:43:45 AM

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#313: Feb 15th 2025 at 1:42:48 PM

[up] Though at least those lines come from the comic they are teasing.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#314: Feb 15th 2025 at 2:09:52 PM

It seems like this movie has just offended a lot of people for a number of reasons.

1) Being a Hulk movie with no Hulk

2) following up on plot points from movies and shows most didn't care for

3) Not being particularly special

4) the usual this is too woke complaints (I'm not actually sure if that's happened, but it usually does for some reason so I'm listing it).

I liked it. I said before that I went to watch a movie with Falcon Samerica fighting the Red Hulk, and that's what I got. But it looks like many are not satisfied.

I'm still here for the MCU. I guess I've just never gotten out of holy shit, live action super hero movies that are consistently good mentality. I'm loving seeing who they're gonna adapt next, and how they're gonna streamline things for the next character.

It's a real shame these movies don't seem to be doing it for others.

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diddyknux (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#315: Feb 15th 2025 at 2:13:14 PM

2 is a dumb reasoning (I'm not saying its your reasoning; I just think the idea that the movie following up on plot threads, which is kind of the point of the MCU to do that, annoying people is dumb), and I'd LIKE to say 4 isn't as prevalent as those types of people would want us to think, but... Well, I can't say the but on Tvtropes.

Anyway, without going too much into... Is Red Hulk being in the movie basically just an excuse to have a fight with A Hulk without undoing Bruce's character development as THE Hulk?

Edited by diddyknux on Feb 15th 2025 at 4:14:44 AM

Moroaica Since: Aug, 2017
#316: Feb 15th 2025 at 2:19:48 PM

[up][up] The movie is about a black superhero, that's enough for morons to call it "woke". "Woke" is a cover scumbags use to cover their bigotry.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#317: Feb 15th 2025 at 2:22:36 PM

Sabra's actress is also one that I feel is a bit miscast. Is it weird that I believe in giant Red Hulk monsters but think she being capable of taking down an entire room of heavily armed soldiers while unarmed strains credulity?

Guns exist for a reason.

Did a good job and I just wish she'd been another character or even an original.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Feb 15th 2025 at 2:23:47 AM

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#318: Feb 15th 2025 at 2:30:57 PM

I mean, she's meant to be a mutant. As in a mutant with superpowers.

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#319: Feb 15th 2025 at 2:31:05 PM

2 is a dumb reasoning (I'm not saying its your reasoning; I just think the idea that the movie following up on plot threads, which is kind of the point of the MCU to do that, annoying people is dumb)

I have seen a shocking number of reviews basically going "Incredible Hulk came out years ago so following up on the obvious setups from it is weird and stupid, and it's the movie's fault that I personally don't remember what happened in it."

Yeah, the movie's sixteen years old, but it's not like it was unable to be viewed in that period of time.

I swear, these people would never survive reading actual comic books. Do movies need the Note from Ed. now?

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#320: Feb 15th 2025 at 2:31:46 PM

If she was a mutant and/or super soldier I wouldn't be taking note of it.

I do think this movie will inspire more discussion than might be expected, especially about Ross and his supposed "changing."

I don't think he changed at all.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Feb 15th 2025 at 2:32:58 AM

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Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#321: Feb 15th 2025 at 2:32:28 PM

Natasha takes out guys like that all the time.

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#322: Feb 15th 2025 at 2:34:08 PM

[up][up][up] Honestly, I think it's an excuse for these critics. I don't recall any complaints of Infinity War requiring you to watch Guardians of the Galaxy 1 and 2, Black Panther, Spider-Man Homecoming, Thor Ragnorak, and Captain America Civil War just to get context of what's going on in the film

Edited by Shadao on Feb 15th 2025 at 2:34:25 AM

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#323: Feb 15th 2025 at 2:34:17 PM

Yes.

Perhaps it's just camera angles and I'm being silly. After all, she's just 1 inch shorter.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#324: Feb 15th 2025 at 2:34:52 PM

[up][up][up][up] He definitely hasn't, everything he does here is pure piece of shit behavior.

Which makes all the sympathy given towards him unwarranted, he doesn't deserve it. He's still the same bastard who hunted down Bruce partly out of vindicative hatred for his daughter loving him.

Edited by slimcoder on Feb 15th 2025 at 2:35:15 AM

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#325: Feb 15th 2025 at 2:55:15 PM

I think Ross wants to change. He's just real shitty at it, hence [up]'s observation.

He was after all, negotiating a lengendary deal among nations to share a new resource, rather than trying to scoop it up for the US, and he came to Sam about reforming the Avengers because he recognized their value after how they basically saved the entire !@#$%-ing universe.

Because here's the thing: I don't think Ross is still a piece of shit and Ross wants to change are mutually exclusive. Changing yourself after you've been the shittiest person is shitsville is hard. Especially when you're as shitty a person as Ross is and when you've still got so many skeletons in the closet.

But he was clearly desperate to do something good, and move away from his Hulk Hunter past, and his heart attack only added to that, because now he likely felt he was on a clock.

I think that desire is there. He honestly seemed a lot more reasonable than he was in previous movies.....even if he still kept Isiah in prison for the assassination attempt.

So my judgement is piece of shit who wants to be better, but is bad at it due to being a piece of shit.

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