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What on earth is up with the title of Even The Loving Hero Has Hated Ones?

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Urbenmyth Since: Feb, 2020 Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
#1: Oct 27th 2024 at 2:14:04 PM

Like, it's certainly a real trope. I don't deny that. But the name. The name.

It's incredibly long, it sounds silly, "hated ones" isn't actually a term in English so you have to stop ad think what that means, "loving hero" is somehow both weirdly specific and unhelpfully vague (do we mean specifically the All-Loving Hero? Generally loving heroes? Heroes in general? Good characters as a whole?), and the whole thing generally sounds like a weird google-translate snowclone of Even Evil Has Loved Ones

Even just Even The Loving Hero Has Enemies would be a huge improvement, what with "enemies" actually being a thing people say, and I'd probably suggest something like "Even Good Feels Hate" to get across the point of "otherwise good and loving characters who hate that one guy"

I'm sorry, but this is a really useful trope and it needs a name that feels less designed by committie. It's not just me, right?

WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (8,356/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
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#2: Oct 27th 2024 at 2:16:10 PM

Well, it's not necessarily about having "enemies", because you can have an enemy that you don't personally hate (whether they're a Friendly Enemy or someone the hero has to defeat but doesn't hold personal resentment towards). The idea is that this is a character that even the All-Loving Hero can't stand. It goes beyond "having enemies". Even Good Feels Hate is closer but it loses the aspect of it being specific to the hero (as "good" allows for a much broader range of characters).

To rename a trope like this anyway you'd have to prove that the name is causing problems. We don't rename things just for being clunky. (I don't think it's a perfect title, but there's a reason it was chosen)

Edited by WarJay77 on Oct 27th 2024 at 5:18:22 AM

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