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#1: Oct 27th 2024 at 12:49:22 PM

What's the scope of Wrong Assumption, exactly? It reads as being specific to "someone thinks a trope is happening when it isn't", but the examples involve any time someone jumps to the wrong conclusions. I can't tell if the description is just poor or if the examples are wrong (you could say I don't want to make the wrong assumption about Wrong Assumption).

If it is the trope-based definition though, then I question if how solid that definition is. Two TLP drafts for similar concepts got heavily bombed and contested on the basis that it's hard to differentiate between "character thinks a trope is in play" and "character is mistaken about something that just so happens to be a trope out-of-universe".

Edited by WarJay77 on Oct 27th 2024 at 3:52:13 PM

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#2: Oct 27th 2024 at 3:20:53 PM

Sounds like a case for a wick check, if only to see how the examples are being used.

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#3: Oct 27th 2024 at 3:23:42 PM

I'll probably do one, but I want to know what the intended definition is first, haha. Just so that I know what I'm working with here.

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MorganWick (Elder Troper)
#4: Oct 28th 2024 at 2:29:17 AM

This comment and the next two from the original draft is probably relevant. You might have to look into whatever cleanup Wrong Genre Savvy went through circa 2016.

eroock Since: Sep, 2012
#5: Oct 28th 2024 at 2:54:51 AM

I opened a discussion some years ago. You might want to continue there.

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#6: Oct 28th 2024 at 10:31:29 PM

[up][up] That's interesting, because their other comments reinforce that it's trope-specific...

[up] Oh hey, I contributed to that. I see an old Wick Check there, though I'd probably borrow my own.

Still, both of these are illuminating since it seems the problem is as old as the trope itself.

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MorganWick (Elder Troper)
#7: Oct 29th 2024 at 3:42:25 AM

I decided to look into the context of whatever cleanup efforts occurred around Wrong Genre Savvy happened around 2016 that created a space Wrong Assumption was supposedly created to fill, and found little evidence of any concerted effort to clean up Wrong Genre Savvy until after the original draft started. I did find this paragraph added to the description two months earlier, which says, "Even if they are wrong about their role in a story, that doesn't necessarily make them wrong about the type of story they are in." Similarly, several examples added to the page around the same time were subsequently removed because "what does this have to do with genre?"

This aligns with the stated goal of the Genre Savvy cleanup thread started at the start of the year, which itself spun from this TRS thread. So there was a perception around that time that Genre Savvy and its subtropes were specifically about genre, and being wrong about the presence of individual tropes wouldn't fall under that. Now, I can see that being The Same, But Less Specific, and I'm not sure if anyone here would take the "genre" in "Genre Savvy" that literally today, but it does point to what might have been going through the mind of the original sponsor.

Edited by MorganWick on Oct 29th 2024 at 3:51:27 AM

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