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themayorofsimpleton Short-Term Projects Herald | he/him from the Island of Koridai (Captain) Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
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#1: Oct 20th 2024 at 3:27:09 PM

I'm wick checking Friendly Tickle Torture right now over "tickling exists" and fetish example attraction, and now I'm wondering if this is a trope we even need. "Tickling signifies strong bond" sounds tropeworthy, but in practice, a large amount of the examples so far on the wick check are Chairs-y use — but not all.

Before I finish the check and TRS this, I want to ask — is this a concept worth salvaging, or is the potential for further misuse and creepy examples enough to be on board with gutting it? And is the original concept actually tropeworthy at all?

(Previous TRS, for the record.)

Edited by themayorofsimpleton on Oct 20th 2024 at 6:28:00 AM

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#3: Oct 23rd 2024 at 3:28:31 PM

Yeah, I think there's something to the idea of "tickling = a bond" since you'll either need to be a family member, good friend, or lover to pull it off. But if the examples don't show that, the trope needs help.

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#4: Oct 26th 2024 at 1:39:26 AM

The original Repair Shop thread said that the main problem of the trope was the (very bad and short) description, and that it should be expanded; but since that thread died down due to inactivity, I dunno if the description got any changes.

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#5: Oct 26th 2024 at 3:46:22 AM

I don't see any description changes in the history during the period the thread was active.

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#6: Oct 27th 2024 at 1:05:40 AM

Honestly, the main Tickle Torture page has the same problem that it's now just listing people being tickled (and in the same just slightly too enthusiastic to pass off as simply adding examples way).

I think the tropes are real, but it probably is worth going through them to edit out the examples that aren't actually torture/bonding, and maybe clarify the content

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#7: Oct 27th 2024 at 1:41:46 AM

I've sorted out the main Tickle Torture page, I think. What do people think?

themayorofsimpleton Short-Term Projects Herald | he/him from the Island of Koridai (Captain) Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
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#8: Oct 27th 2024 at 3:19:41 PM

[up] Looks good, though honestly a wick check might still be needed as a means of preventing further poor use.

Actually, I wonder if that trope is the one that needs wick checking. Sandbox.Tickle Torture Wick Check for when I'm ready

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#9: Oct 27th 2024 at 3:43:52 PM

Alright, it's started — with the help of eroock's automated tool. Checked 2 — need to check 48 more.

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#10: Oct 27th 2024 at 4:29:35 PM

Also, relatedly, I'm pretty sure that Accidental Tickle Torture straight up isn't a trope. Like, Tickle Torture - where tickling is used as a g-rated form of torture - that's definitely a real trope. Friendly Tickle Torture, where tickling is used to bond with people, at least seems to be pointing at a real trope.

But "something happens and it tickles" really seems to be fit the sit-on-chairs criteria of "has no effect on the narrative, has no meaning, and doesn't change how the work is perceived".

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