TO-DO LIST
- Retool Kaiju Works and Vampire Fiction into more tightly defined genre pages through sandboxes (Sandbox.Vampire Fiction and Sandbox.Kaiju Works)
- Retool Mons Series into a more defined genre index, Mons Genre.
- Move contents on Superhero and Superhero Stories onto Superhero Genre, with "Superhero" being retooled as a Definition-Only page about the character archetype instead of the genre.
- Retool Mystery Fiction and Supernatural Fiction into proper supertropes.
- Retool Fighting Series and Sports Stories into genre tropes, or something more specific.
Indices Under Discussion
- All indices in "People and Demographics" (except Queer Media): Moves to Useful Notes or a merge with Media Diversity Tropes are options being taken into consideration. Discussion starts here
.
- Queer Media: Should it get streamlined into a proper genre page? Should Queer Romance be merged with it?
- Magical Girl Genre Index: There are concerns of redundancy with Magical Girl. Should it get merged into the latter?
- Mecha Show: Possibly getting retooled into a proper genre page or merged with Mecha Game, but it might be too redundant
with Real Robot Genre or Super Robot Genre.
- The options to cut Sea Stories, Space Stories and School Stories have been rejected in the lastest crowner
. However, some work may still need to be done in these pages. Fleshing them out and retooling them into supertropes for related genre tropes is a possible option
.
- The options to cut Christian Fiction and Military and Warfare Works have been contested
, with claims they are still worth keeping. Should they get narrowed and retooled into proper genre pages?
- The crowner has approved redirecting Video Game Stories... but there has been no agreement on which suitable page to redirect to. Candidates are Video Game Tropes, Video Game Culture and Fictional Video Game, with the possibility of retooling the index through TLP being also brought under discussion
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- Books on Trope: A new Tropology/ namespace is being discussed for this page (as well as Sorting Algorithm of Tropes and other such pages) elsewhere. The index may get linked in the floatbox in Metafiction Demanded This Index for the time being.
- And last but not least Works by Subject as a whole: After clean-up is done, is it worth keeping the index around?
In case Works by Subject gets cut, each section may get merged
with different indices (e.g. "Stock Characters" with Stock Characters and/or Genres, "Settings" with Settings and "Themes" Queer Media with Genres, with the other sections being addressed in pending discussions).
Indices not discussed: Biker Media, Conspiracy Thriller, Criminal Procedural, Detective Drama, Gangster Fiction, Government Procedural, Law Procedural, Police Procedural and Spy Fiction. Either there's nothing to do with these indices, or they may need some further discussion.
- Samurai Stories: Determined to be redundant with Jidaigeki, Bushido Index, Samurai, Western Samurai, Everything's Better with Samurai, and Samurai Cowboy. Was cut.
- Shark Stories: Determined to be redundant with Threatening Shark. Was redirected to Sea Stories.
- Bovine Fiction, Bug Works, Canine Fiction, Elephantine Fiction, Equine Fiction and Feline Fiction: Cut.
- Dinosaur Media: Merged with Caveman Media with a new Settings index (under Works Set in Prehistory) being created.
- Alien Works, Angel Works, Deity Fiction, Demon Works, Dragon Works, Elf Works, Fairy Fiction, Genie Works, Ghost Fiction, Goblin Works, Leprechaun Fiction, Mermaid Media, Monster Media, Mummy Media, Mutant Media, Robot and A.I. Works, Toy Tales, Troll Tales, Unicorn Works, Werebeast Works, Werewolf Works, Youkai Works and Zombie Stories: Cut and redirected to relevant tropes and trope indices.
- Dolls: Moved to MediaNotes.Dolls.
- Clown Media, Ninja Fiction, Pirate Stories, Princess Stories, Psychic Stories, and Witch Works: Cut and redirected to relevant tropes and trope indices.
- CrimeAndPunishmentSeries.Detective Drama: Merged into Detective Drama.
- Spy Literature: Merged into SpyFiction.Literature.
- Ancient Rome: Moved to UsefulNotes.Ancient Rome.
- Mars Media: Redirected to UsefulNotes.Mars.
- Crossover Works: Merged with Crossover.
- Ballet: The index marker was moved up to only cover the trope section.
- Works Set in Prehistory, MediaNotes.The French Revolution In Fiction, MediaNotes.The Napoleonic Era In Fiction, Works Set in World War I, Works Set in World War II and WorksSetInWorldWarII.The Holocaust In Media: Moved to Historical Fiction subpages.
- Child Care and Babysitting Stories, Cooking Stories, Immortality Works, Music Stories, Time Travel Tales and Transformation Fiction: Cut and redirected to appropriate tropes and indices.
The index Works by Subject was ostensibly created in order to house existing indices of works with significant commonalities in subject matter and themes. These indices were previously listed on Genres; however, the argument was made that many, such as Queer Media and Asian-American Media, did not actually meet the definition of a Genre.
Since then, as discussed in this Wiki Talk thread
, a number of indexes went through the Trope Launch Pad whose definitions can largely be boiled down to "work prominently includes 'x' eponymous thing in it", which has a couple of problems:
- It contributes to Index Bloat on the wiki, i.e. overly long blocks of indices that could potentially cause the page's indexing to break altogether.
- There is concern that many of these indices are essentially an end run around the Trope Repair Shop's ongoing cleanup of tropes on what was formerly Everything's Better With Indexes (now Garnishing the Story).
Largely prompted by a Troper Critical Mass on the since-discarded TLP for Ursine Fiction
, the thread previously voted to impose a moratorium on new Works About "X" Indexes. We have previously removed Samurai Stories and Shark Storiesnote as redundant to existing tropes, and there is a lot of agreement to do the same to the entire "Animal Fiction" category; however, we have since agreed to create a thread to deal with the entirety of Works by Subject in one swoop.
Options proposed in Wiki Talk:
- Cull redundant or otherwise unnecessary Works by Subject indexes, cutting or merging them into other indexes (as we did with Samurai Stories and Shark Stories)
- Merge Works by Subject into Genres (not mutually exclusive with cleanup of unnecessary indices).
Edited by JustaUsername on Oct 18th 2025 at 7:52:12 PM
Can the other indexes decided to redirect by the current crowner be redirected?
Edited by Lymantria on Nov 22nd 2024 at 10:43:42 AM
Join the Five-Man Band cleanup project!
That doesn't require moderator or engineer intervention. Dewick them, disable indexing from the sidebar, and then replace the page text with
Are the "so you want to write" pages going to be cut listed?
"This forum signature likes to refer to itself, as well as to the fact that it likes to refer to itself"
I think those are fine, actually. There was one attached to Vampire Fiction and I left it alone.
With regard to the tropes listed under "Other Stock Characters", I think Police Procedural is a perfectly valid concept, and I feel that that position would be a relatively uncontroversial opinion. The genre has its own Wikipedia page
, for one.
Edited by themayorofsimpleton on Nov 22nd 2024 at 12:21:03 PM
Works That Require Cleanup of Complaining | Troper WallGoing to re-post what i suggested for that section a couple of weeks ago [1]
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I do think there are more salvageable pages in this chunk than the previous two given that some are already recognizable genres and are written like genre pages e.g. Spy Fiction, Criminal Procedural, Police Procedural, and Detective Drama IMO (though Detective Drama's page type is Trope even though it's functioning as an index since none of the "examples" have any context) can stay as is, with a once over.
Superhero Stories and Gangster Fiction I also think cover an actual genre, but both need to have a much more fleshed out description as to what that genre is to be kept. Mecha Show, Magical Girl Genre Index, and Mons Series, I've already said
For the rest, not so much. Clown Media, Ninja Fiction, Princess Stories, Psychic Stories, Pirate Stories, and Witch Works are all pretty representative of the issues with these kinds of pages and imo should be merged/redirected to the relevant trope/genre pages (Clown Tropes, Ninja, Princess Protagonist, Psychic Powers, Pirate (or for an actual genre, Swashbuckler), Our Witches Are Different). Biker Media also isn't an actual genre, but this page has some ideas on it that seem like they can be spun out into tropes like Biker Rebel (which I also think would solve the issue of Badass Biker being of questionable tropeworthiness
Edited by amathieu13 on Nov 22nd 2024 at 11:28:40 AM
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If something is considered a well-established genre by everyone else, it’s probably keep-worthy. But if it isn’t, maybe not.
Join the Five-Man Band cleanup project!Something else I'm noticing while I go through the redirections, I'm finding a number of cases where these indexes are being linked as tropes: Deity Fiction for example has several examples for historical art depicting Classical Mythology to the effect that "this work depicts x, y, and z deities"; there was also one on Legend of Genii.
This reinforces the perception that these indexes are being used as an end-run around the "Everything's Better With" cleanup.
Edited by StarSword on Nov 26th 2024 at 1:22:08 PM
Trust me, I'm an engineer!The only one that hasn't been redirected yet is Toy Tales
"This forum signature likes to refer to itself, as well as to the fact that it likes to refer to itself"Wouldn't redirecting it to Living Toys be the most consistent option?
The description says "be they living or otherwise", but are there non-Living Toys works there?
TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
Well, there's The Velveteen Rabbit which is about a stuffed rabbit that is a child's Companion Cube for most of the story until it gets turned into a real rabbit by a fairy at the very end when it's about to be burned after the child recovers from an illness.
I think Toy Tropes is our best bet.
Trust me, I'm an engineer!
Crown Description:
Several indexes contained within the Works By Subject index have been identified as having issues, with a key one being their lack of purpose as indexes. This crowner will determine what to do with several of the items on this index. Discussion starting here

I've de-indexed Vampire Fiction and moved it to Sandbox.Vampire Fiction, currently working on cleaning up its wicks.
ETA: Turned Vampire Fiction into a redirect to Our Vampires Are Different, and also redirected Ghost Fiction.
Edited by StarSword on Nov 22nd 2024 at 11:53:53 AM
Trust me, I'm an engineer!