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The index Works by Subject was ostensibly created in order to house existing indices of works with significant commonalities in subject matter and themes. These indices were previously listed on Genres; however, the argument was made that many, such as Queer Media and Asian-American Media, did not actually meet the definition of a Genre.

Since then, as discussed in this Wiki Talk thread, a number of indexes went through the Trope Launch Pad whose definitions can largely be boiled down to "work prominently includes 'x' eponymous thing in it", which has a couple of problems:

Largely prompted by a Troper Critical Mass on the since-discarded TLP for Ursine Fiction, the thread previously voted to impose a moratorium on new Works About "X" Indexes. We have previously removed Samurai Stories and Shark Storiesnote  as redundant to existing tropes, and there is a lot of agreement to do the same to the entire "Animal Fiction" category; however, we have since agreed to create a thread to deal with the entirety of Works by Subject in one swoop.

Options proposed in Wiki Talk:

TLP Archive for Works By Subject

Edited by JustaUsername on Oct 18th 2025 at 7:52:12 PM

StarSword Captain of USS Bajor from somewhere in deep space Since: Sep, 2011
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#326: Nov 22nd 2024 at 8:20:13 AM

I've de-indexed Vampire Fiction and moved it to Sandbox.Vampire Fiction, currently working on cleaning up its wicks.

ETA: Turned Vampire Fiction into a redirect to Our Vampires Are Different, and also redirected Ghost Fiction.

Edited by StarSword on Nov 22nd 2024 at 11:53:53 AM

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#327: Nov 22nd 2024 at 7:16:42 PM

Now, what we are going to do with the Other Stock Characters ?

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#328: Nov 22nd 2024 at 7:40:31 PM

Can the other indexes decided to redirect by the current crowner be redirected?

Edited by Lymantria on Nov 22nd 2024 at 10:43:42 AM

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StarSword Captain of USS Bajor from somewhere in deep space Since: Sep, 2011
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#329: Nov 22nd 2024 at 8:25:18 PM

[up]That doesn't require moderator or engineer intervention. Dewick them, disable indexing from the sidebar, and then replace the page text with

[[redirect:OurTropesAreDifferent]]

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#331: Nov 22nd 2024 at 8:50:09 PM

[up]I think those are fine, actually. There was one attached to Vampire Fiction and I left it alone.

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#332: Nov 22nd 2024 at 9:20:52 PM

With regard to the tropes listed under "Other Stock Characters", I think Police Procedural is a perfectly valid concept, and I feel that that position would be a relatively uncontroversial opinion. The genre has its own Wikipedia page, for one.

Edited by themayorofsimpleton on Nov 22nd 2024 at 12:21:03 PM

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#334: Nov 22nd 2024 at 10:39:56 PM

[up][up]Most certainly, that's a legit genre.

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#335: Nov 22nd 2024 at 10:43:55 PM

Yeah, that can stay

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amathieu13 Since: Aug, 2013
#336: Nov 22nd 2024 at 11:25:29 PM

Going to re-post what i suggested for that section a couple of weeks ago [1]:

When it comes to Robot and A.I. Works, while I'm personally not a fan of disambiguating indices since most indices aren't intended to be wicked to anyways, given that it is lumping together Robot, Artificial Intelligence, and Cyborg, I think disambiging with those pages and perhaps Robot Roll Call would be best
I do think there are more salvageable pages in this chunk than the previous two given that some are already recognizable genres and are written like genre pages e.g. Spy Fiction, Criminal Procedural, Police Procedural, and Detective Drama IMO (though Detective Drama's page type is Trope even though it's functioning as an index since none of the "examples" have any context) can stay as is, with a once over.
Superhero Stories and Gangster Fiction I also think cover an actual genre, but both need to have a much more fleshed out description as to what that genre is to be kept. Mecha Show, Magical Girl Genre Index, and Mons Series, I've already said probably fall in the same camp.
For the rest, not so much. Clown Media, Ninja Fiction, Princess Stories, Psychic Stories, Pirate Stories, and Witch Works are all pretty representative of the issues with these kinds of pages and imo should be merged/redirected to the relevant trope/genre pages (Clown Tropes, Ninja, Princess Protagonist, Psychic Powers, Pirate (or for an actual genre, Swashbuckler), Our Witches Are Different). Biker Media also isn't an actual genre, but this page has some ideas on it that seem like they can be spun out into tropes like Biker Rebel (which I also think would solve the issue of Badass Biker being of questionable tropeworthiness, like all other Badass X tropes) or Motorcycles Are Freedom.

Edited by amathieu13 on Nov 22nd 2024 at 11:28:40 AM

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#339: Nov 23rd 2024 at 2:14:48 AM

[up][up][up][tup]

If something is considered a well-established genre by everyone else, it’s probably keep-worthy. But if it isn’t, maybe not.

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#341: Nov 26th 2024 at 10:19:17 AM

Something else I'm noticing while I go through the redirections, I'm finding a number of cases where these indexes are being linked as tropes: Deity Fiction for example has several examples for historical art depicting Classical Mythology to the effect that "this work depicts x, y, and z deities"; there was also one on Legend of Genii.

This reinforces the perception that these indexes are being used as an end-run around the "Everything's Better With" cleanup.

Edited by StarSword on Nov 26th 2024 at 1:22:08 PM

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Lymantria Tyrannoraptoran Reptiliomorph from Toronto Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: Historians will say we were good friends.
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#342: Dec 1st 2024 at 6:51:16 PM

Did you redirect them all?

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Lymantria Tyrannoraptoran Reptiliomorph from Toronto Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: Historians will say we were good friends.
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#344: Dec 1st 2024 at 9:29:27 PM

Where should it be redirected to, then?

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#346: Dec 1st 2024 at 10:56:49 PM

Or, well, Toys

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#347: Dec 1st 2024 at 10:58:19 PM

I would have said Toys, but the Toy Tales page says "Not to be confused with toy lines (see Toys for that)."

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Vilui Since: May, 2009
#348: Dec 2nd 2024 at 4:40:44 AM

Wouldn't redirecting it to Living Toys be the most consistent option?

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#349: Dec 2nd 2024 at 4:57:28 AM

The description says "be they living or otherwise", but are there non-Living Toys works there?

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#350: Dec 2nd 2024 at 8:07:57 AM

[up]Well, there's The Velveteen Rabbit which is about a stuffed rabbit that is a child's Companion Cube for most of the story until it gets turned into a real rabbit by a fairy at the very end when it's about to be burned after the child recovers from an illness.

I think Toy Tropes is our best bet.

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5th Sep '25 5:46:56 PM

Crown Description:

Several indexes contained within the Works By Subject index have been identified as having issues, with a key one being their lack of purpose as indexes. This crowner will determine what to do with several of the items on this index. Discussion starting here

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