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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#251: Dec 13th 2024 at 10:23:11 PM

My guess is that Zeno is actually a child, and he's the son of Rymus, who probably died of old age a few million years ago.

Mega_zxa Since: Mar, 2015
#252: Dec 14th 2024 at 8:24:17 PM

I'm thinking it is more along the lines of Rymus is the Supreme Creator to Zenos Supreme Destroyer. I mean think about it we never see Zeno creating anything, plus Zeno has his own Angel with the Grand Priest. Rymus and Zeno are the Creator and Destroyer on a multiversal scale.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#253: Dec 14th 2024 at 8:42:55 PM

But Zeno acts like a child and Rymus looks old. I'm guessing Rymus died and Zeno inherited the multiverse relatively recently.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#254: Dec 14th 2024 at 9:29:15 PM

Yeah, the impression I got wasn't that Rymus was Zeno's opposite, but that Zeno is Rymus' successor.

AlicornGaia Fishy from Mega Man Zero Earth Since: Sep, 2019 Relationship Status: Married to my murderer
Fishy
#255: Dec 14th 2024 at 10:25:18 PM

Since we know glinds and namekians are from the demon realm, it does begs the possibility that zalama's creator is the multiverse's supreme kai.

"Come on Zero. Fight me. It feels so good :3"
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#256: Dec 15th 2024 at 12:21:27 AM

Maybe Daima actually ends with Rymus dying, and Zeno becomes Omni-King in his place leading into Super.

EmperorGeode from A Galaxy far, far away Since: Oct, 2022 Relationship Status: On the prowl
#257: Dec 15th 2024 at 12:31:41 PM

[up][up] One idea I had is that Zalama himself is Multiversal eguivalent of Supreme Kai, since he can reverse Zeno’s erasure if Super Dragon Balls are anything to go by.

Maybe when when Rymus died or retired, his duties were split between two like with Kais and Gods of Destruction (since I assume Rymus started latter as well). Who knows, two may even be brothers or cousins (since Rymus’s desing given me more of Grandpa vibes).

Edited by EmperorGeode on Dec 15th 2024 at 12:34:04 PM

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#258: Dec 15th 2024 at 8:46:37 PM

Zalama IS Super Shenron. They are the same entity. Zalama created the Super Dragon Balls to let other people summon himself.

EmperorGeode from A Galaxy far, far away Since: Oct, 2022 Relationship Status: On the prowl
#259: Dec 15th 2024 at 10:57:04 PM

That’s only case in english dub of the anime.

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#260: Dec 15th 2024 at 11:10:40 PM

That's also the case in the manga:

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/0007_006.jpg

"Created by the Dragon God Zalama", "the Dragon God will appear and grant your wish".

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Dec 15th 2024 at 12:12:09 PM

EmperorGeode from A Galaxy far, far away Since: Oct, 2022 Relationship Status: On the prowl
#261: Dec 16th 2024 at 4:17:00 AM

Huh, character pages make it sound like it’s only case in anime. Or maybe they mean english translation in general?

Either way it makes concept of Zalama patenting star angles of his Dragon balls even funnier.

Edited by EmperorGeode on Dec 16th 2024 at 4:31:48 AM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#262: Dec 16th 2024 at 11:05:51 AM

The Dragonball fan wiki also says it's only in the anime.

At least in our case, changing the character pages to be more accurate is easy.

AlicornGaia Fishy from Mega Man Zero Earth Since: Sep, 2019 Relationship Status: Married to my murderer
Fishy
#263: Dec 16th 2024 at 6:11:50 PM

    Episode 10 (in case you haven’t watched it yet 
Confirmation that yes Bulma and Vegeta gotten officially married.

And yeah Vegeta fell for her assets.

Now if Neva reveals that he may be working for the bad guys only because he is bored and don’t mind helping the heroes since he also stayed behind to ensure the Demon Realm dragon balls still work, that would not be very surprising.

"Come on Zero. Fight me. It feels so good :3"
AegisP Kindhearted SSSSSNAKE Man Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Kindhearted SSSSSNAKE Man
#264: Dec 16th 2024 at 6:13:08 PM

The Opening to My Happy Marriage starts playing

As long as this flower is in my heart. My Strength will flow without end.
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#265: Dec 16th 2024 at 8:55:48 PM

I'm starting to think that Masako is right about Neva being a strong contender for the final Big Bad of the series.

burninganimefan357 Since: Oct, 2012
#266: Dec 16th 2024 at 11:51:41 PM

Neva is going to use the Demon World Dragon Balls to make himself young again and reveal that he was extremely powerful in his youth. The standard wish for all evil old Namekians. evil grin

AlicornGaia Fishy from Mega Man Zero Earth Since: Sep, 2019 Relationship Status: Married to my murderer
Fishy
#267: Dec 16th 2024 at 11:56:16 PM

So Neva is gonna be the canon Lord Slug?

"Come on Zero. Fight me. It feels so good :3"
Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#268: Dec 17th 2024 at 12:14:05 AM

Id be OK with that. I'm just curious how everything is going to sort out. Gomah and Degesu have been set up for total failure. Arinsu, likewise, seems in over her head outside of having Glorio as the man on the inside. Neva, meanwhile, is a total enigma. Any of them could end up with the third eye, which I feel is the actual threat here. I'm curious to see how it all falls apart for the final conflict.

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#269: Dec 17th 2024 at 12:57:16 AM

Toriyama's storytelling has always been kind of odd, but all the fiction I've consumed makes me think things will shake out roughly like so:

  • Arinsu ends up allying with the heroes
  • Degesu attempts to usurp Gomah but gets smacked down
  • Gomah maintains his position as the Big Bad for all but the last few episodes
  • Neva hijacks whatever Gomah is doing towards the very end and acts as the final boss

EmperorGeode from A Galaxy far, far away Since: Oct, 2022 Relationship Status: On the prowl
#270: Dec 17th 2024 at 1:09:23 AM

Now if Neva reveals that he may be working for the bad guys only because he is bored and don’t mind helping the heroes since he also stayed behind to ensure the Demon Realm dragon balls still work, that would not be very surprising.

That’s vibe I got from him so far. Okay not that exact idea, but him being True Neutral, since if he had evil plan for which he needs Dragon Balls, one would think he could just order Tamagamis to give them to him since he created them.

burninganimefan357 Since: Oct, 2012
#271: Dec 17th 2024 at 1:17:47 AM

[up]It's possible that Neva created the Tamagami's to protect the Dragon Balls but forgot to create an exception for himself so not even he can take the Dragon Balls without fighting the Tamagami's.

Being their creator doesn't necessarily mean he has absolute control over them.

Edited by burninganimefan357 on Dec 17th 2024 at 1:18:35 AM

Ookamikun This is going to be so much fun. (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
This is going to be so much fun.
#272: Dec 17th 2024 at 9:38:09 PM

[up]x5 At least he doesn't need them pills.

neoamon Mr from Planet Mobius S.T.C. (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded)
Mr
#273: Dec 17th 2024 at 10:58:22 PM

It wouldn't surprise me if his name is Neva Slug. That said I don't think everything that Neva does is a deliberately act. It wouldn't surprise me if Neva has a plan set up but he has forgotten it due to his age but the plan will work anyway.

"May your heart be your guiding key"
EmperorGeode from A Galaxy far, far away Since: Oct, 2022 Relationship Status: On the prowl
#274: Dec 18th 2024 at 1:49:27 AM

Having Big Bad go senile and forget his long con does feel exactly like something Toriyama would do.

Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#275: Dec 20th 2024 at 7:31:45 PM

So Piccolo saw through Neva's senile act immediately. With Majin Kuu and now Majin Duu, we have a proper villain trio. Given Toriyama was a fan of Yatterman, this doesn't surprise me at all.

Edited by Zeromaeus on Dec 20th 2024 at 7:32:52 AM


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