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Ego-Man25 Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
#176: May 25th 2025 at 7:23:24 PM

Still, there's also the matter that they simply could have not went with that as the ending.

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Effect7 Since: Jun, 2023
#177: May 25th 2025 at 7:25:30 PM

[up][up][up] yeah I'm kind of thinking of that. people also make it sound like Nani abandoned Lilo, which I don't really know about since I haven't exactly seen the ending and it could be very different from how people who haven't seen it perceive it when hearing about that

Edited by Effect7 on May 25th 2025 at 7:27:45 AM

IniuriaTalis Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: Love, football, the arts, the occasional pint
#178: May 25th 2025 at 7:51:29 PM

I've heard many complaints about the remake, but the one I'm most inclined to believe is that they heteronormative-ized Pleakley. Is that accurate?

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Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#179: May 25th 2025 at 8:04:12 PM

No, that's true. Someone who worked on the movie posted concept art that they said they weren't allowed to use.

fragglelover Since: Jun, 2012
#180: May 25th 2025 at 8:13:54 PM

I think the director posted it with the comment of "I tried".

IniuriaTalis Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: Love, football, the arts, the occasional pint
#181: May 25th 2025 at 8:25:37 PM

:(

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Effect7 Since: Jun, 2023
#182: May 26th 2025 at 8:19:57 AM

I don't know if anybody heard but apparently the creator of Hazbin Hotel hates the Lilo and stitch live action movie and sees it as a massive disrespect towards the characters.

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#183: May 26th 2025 at 9:02:34 AM

Uh huh

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UchuuFlamenco Since: Jul, 2017
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#185: May 26th 2025 at 11:35:51 AM

[up][up][up] Her and many others online think the same so a bit weird to bring her up.

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#186: May 26th 2025 at 5:40:41 PM

Anyway yeah I feel the whole family thing is better on the original because it fits the whole oddity of Lilo.

Effect7 Since: Jun, 2023
#187: May 26th 2025 at 6:35:13 PM

ask for what I said earlier I said that because well the notion that the live action movie not only being a mistake but whether it did screwed up the themes of family that badly.

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#188: May 26th 2025 at 9:06:07 PM

For a bit more positive talk, one curiously deleted scene from the original film, Gantu's Challenge, shows a bit more of Gantu that was cut from the original film, including showing that his attempts to hunt Stitch personally were a straight-up Cowboy Cop maneuver, showing further WHY the Grand Councilwoman retired/fired him from his post, aside from endangering Lilo. Coupled with the original version of the climax where the showdown was had at a city it kinda makes Gantu's firing more reasonable.

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#189: May 26th 2025 at 11:33:37 PM

Yeah, Gantu being forcibly retired was rather jarring as a punishment when you really think about it. He was authorized by the Grand Councilwoman to get Stitch himself. And he didn't blow up Lilo's house to do so. His literal wrongdoing is that he kidnapped Lilo along with Stitch.

GlitterCat Since: Mar, 2018 Relationship Status: The Skitty to my Wailord
#190: May 27th 2025 at 5:13:36 AM

I haven't seen that much of the tv shows (I did catch most of Leroy and stitch though) but I liked that they implied gantu had a crush on the grand councilwoman. Gives him a little more depth and motivation to prove himself to her. But on the whole I didn't find him that necessary of a character. He was just sort of there to be your Saturday morning inept villain.

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Kaiseror Since: Jul, 2016
#191: May 27th 2025 at 5:36:09 AM

[up][up] When I was younger, it did seems weirdly unfair to me.

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#192: May 27th 2025 at 6:20:13 AM

[up][up]He can always rely on Reuben!

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#193: May 27th 2025 at 7:21:37 AM

Yeah, Gantu being forcibly retired was rather jarring as a punishment when you really think about it. He was authorized by the Grand Councilwoman to get Stitch himself. And he didn't blow up Lilo's house to do so. His literal wrongdoing is that he kidnapped Lilo along with Stitch.

I can agree to it being disproportionate, but he was also the only one under her authority when the violation was committed. Jumba was fired before they destroyed the house and had it not been for the rescue attempt Gantu would have taken off with just Lilo.

Kaiseror Since: Jul, 2016
#194: May 27th 2025 at 3:17:44 PM

One reason I think some people have a problem with the plot line involving the ending is that it's a bit of an Unfortunate Implication. Lilo and Nani are indigenous Hawaiians, and there's a long history of indigenous children being taken away from their families in a systematic attempt to destroy their culture. It even occurs now, with groups like CPS, with the "justification" that they're better off with families who can "care for them".

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#195: May 27th 2025 at 3:42:20 PM

I feel like if it'd be one thing if it were, say, a white non-Hawaiian family originally from California taking Lilo in or something, but the people who took Lilo in are also indigenous Hawaiians who literally live right next door to her.

Maybe I’m missing something here, and feel free to correct me if I’m wrong, but does the argument that the ending is making light of something that is a legitimate indigenous culture-harming IRL issue really have a leg to stand on? I’m not trying to minimize the actual IRL issue here, I’m just trying to wrap my head around it.

Edited by kablammin45 on May 27th 2025 at 3:43:43 AM

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#196: May 27th 2025 at 3:48:20 PM

Lilo and Nani are indigenous Hawaiians, and there's a long history of indigenous children being taken away from their families in a systematic attempt to destroy their culture. It even occurs now, with groups like CPS, with the "justification" that they're better off with families who can "care for them".

Except this isn't actually what happens in the film, and most of the people saying this aren't actually Hawaiian and don't actually know what they're talking about.

I did run into a rather blistering response to this from an actual Hawaiian recently, regarding what cultural things it actually resonates with from a Hawaiian perspective:

Whoever told you the ending either lied to you or they're haole and don't understand what it's like to be Hawaiian and live in Hawaiʻi. I know I'm never gonna change everyone's minds. People will have their opinions and double down on them. But we have a concept called hānai family. Basically adopted family, not always a legal situation but sometimes it is... ....people keep talking about Nani giving up Lilo as a bad thing, but Nani is a kid herself and deserves a chance to just be a sister and not a mom to Lilo. It wasn't a bad ending. It made sense for the build up, but people who don't understand the culture of Hawaiʻi and what it's like to grow up that way, look at that and say "that's a bad ending" meanwhile the concept of hānai family resonates with so many of the local people of Hawaiʻi.

Truncated a bit, but yeah.

Edited by KnownUnknown on May 27th 2025 at 3:48:45 AM

GlitterCat Since: Mar, 2018 Relationship Status: The Skitty to my Wailord
#197: May 27th 2025 at 3:53:05 PM

I love the new ending. Nani doesn't have to give up her dreams to work a boring job. She can go to college and pursue her interests while still visiting, loving and caring for Lilo as a sister rather than a mom whene she's simply not yet ready to do that full time. David gets to be a bigger part of the ohana and everyone is happy.

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burninganimefan357 Since: Oct, 2012
#198: May 27th 2025 at 5:35:12 PM

The early spoilers did a disservice saying that Nani just abandoned Lilo to Foster Care when she was actually given to David and his family to be taken care of. And they still see each other using portal gun.

But this is still my preferred Lilo & Stich ending with Uncle Jumba and Uncle Peakley.

And I still prefer Jumba being persuaded to turn good by Stich.

Effect7 Since: Jun, 2023
#199: May 27th 2025 at 5:40:19 PM

the Hawaiian perspective is something I'm kind of keeping in mind.

people that do say that probably or not Hawaiian and I'm unsure if I want to hear that from someone who isn't Hawaiian since there's the issue that whoever is saying that is talking over Hawaiians.

GlitterCat Since: Mar, 2018 Relationship Status: The Skitty to my Wailord
#200: May 27th 2025 at 6:00:42 PM

I missed that Lilo seemingly made up with the hula girls in the ending montage. Shame what I saw of the sequels mertle and her gang were still brats. Though Leroy and stitch does give mertle a reason to be upset (her parents are divorced and her father left and is never coming back.) Nowhere near as sad as Lilo and Nani trauma, but still bad for a kid to go through.

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