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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#26: Sep 26th 2024 at 9:40:55 PM

WRONG THREAD. Pay no attention to this.

Game over, return of Ganon.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Sep 27th 2024 at 12:41:38 AM

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
diddyknux (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#27: Sep 26th 2024 at 11:03:12 PM

I fought Link's Dark Echo by drawing his attention by smashing pots, then getting behind him to summon a Darknut. When Link takes a hit to the back, he's stunned for a moment, allowing the monster to get another hit. I don't think it was the most efficient way, but it eventually worked out. As for the dungeon's main boss, yeah, its pretty much "Use, Binding, Use Swordmode, repeat".

Spoilers for Gerudo Sanctum ahead.

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The Link fight there was TOUGH. Even though you have sword mode now, Link doesn't make it easy with his bow. This one I kind of just spammed Darknuts and Moblins in the first phase, then tried to just bumrush with Sword Zelda in the second phase. The main boss is an interesting twist on the Zelda boss formula - He is fought using Echoes, but its (for me at least, maybe there's other ways to do it) specfically one of the Echoes you find in the dungeon.

I think my most used Echoes so far are the Trampoline (I don't trust my self with those Still World jumps), the Moblins, and both types of spider. I have a few new ones I haven't tried out yet though, and right before I ended my last play session, I added Wolfos to the list. That one might be some fun.

RacattackForce (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#28: Sep 26th 2024 at 11:05:41 PM

For the midboss of the first dungeon, I ran around in circles, staying close enough to keep Dark Link's attention while spamming peahats. [lol]

Edited by RacattackForce on Sep 26th 2024 at 2:05:53 PM

tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas Since: Apr, 2010
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#29: Sep 26th 2024 at 11:25:12 PM

For the mid-boss of the first dungeon, I had listened to a preview video and knew Link was flammable. After screwing up using the grass on the side, I just repeatedly spawned in the Flame Pol and just chucked it at him from behind.

"We're all paper, we're all scissors, we're all fightin' with our mirrors, scared we'll never find somebody to love."
Smasher from The 1830's, but without the racists (Don’t ask) Relationship Status: The best thing that ever happened to a bum like me
#30: Sep 27th 2024 at 8:40:04 AM

Did anyone else notice that this is the thirteenth Link we've seen in the history of the series?

(Unless it's been confirmed otherwise.)

Edited by Smasher on Sep 27th 2024 at 10:40:36 AM

The-Azure-Star-Of-Orion Long time lurker from a deep dark hole Since: Mar, 2022 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
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#31: Sep 27th 2024 at 8:43:02 AM

[up]both Zelda and Link in BOTW are the thirteenth incarnation.

After 10 year plus years I have the confidence to be here. My one and only Fate servent.
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#32: Sep 27th 2024 at 8:44:38 AM

I'm still really getting the vibe Ganon isn't the main villain here. I can't figure out how unleashing the rifts is going to profit him and allow world domination.

Surely plunging the world into rifts won't allow him to take over the world. Even at his worst in TOTK and wanting to cover the world in darkness, he was still going to rule over the ashes.

This feels so off as a Ganon plot. Hmmmmmmmm.....something is wrong.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Smasher from The 1830's, but without the racists (Don’t ask) Relationship Status: The best thing that ever happened to a bum like me
#33: Sep 27th 2024 at 9:50:32 AM

[up][up] No that's wrong!

  • 1. Original and Adventure of Link
  • 2. A Link to the Past, Link's Awakening, and The Oracles
  • 3. The Hero of Time
  • 4. Four Swords
  • 5. The Hero of Winds
  • 6. Four Swords Adventures
  • 7. The Minish Cap
  • 8. The Hero of Twilight
  • 9. Spirit Tracks
  • 10. Hero of The Sky
  • 11. A Link Between Worlds and Triforce Heroes
  • 12. Hero of The Wild
  • 13. Echoes of Wisdom

Edited by Smasher on Sep 27th 2024 at 11:55:58 AM

diddyknux (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#34: Sep 27th 2024 at 10:19:11 AM

Link from the Oracle games isn't the same Link from Link to the Past and Link's Awakening, despite what the ending of the linked Oracle games might suggest.

The depiction of the Links in game art aren't the same, and more importantly Link and Zelda have never met each other in the Oracle games nor in Link to the Past. So those two can't feature the same characters.

I think either Hyrule Historia or the Encyclopedia did suggest they were the same, but that just doesn't hold up to scrutiny.

Edited by diddyknux on Sep 27th 2024 at 10:22:14 AM

Smasher from The 1830's, but without the racists (Don’t ask) Relationship Status: The best thing that ever happened to a bum like me
#35: Sep 27th 2024 at 11:17:49 AM

Did you even play A Link to the Past? It starts with Zelda telepathically contacting Link and then he saves her from the castle dungeon and hides her in a church. Zelda also kisses Link at the end of the linked Oracle games.

Edited by Smasher on Sep 27th 2024 at 1:18:32 PM

AegisP Kindhearted SSSSSNAKE Man Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#36: Sep 27th 2024 at 11:18:59 AM

[up] Uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhhh... I dont see what this has to do with anything?

EDIT: Oh wait I got it now.

Edited by AegisP on Sep 27th 2024 at 11:19:20 AM

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Shadao Dorzma Forever! Artwork by Kris Dobbins. (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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#37: Sep 27th 2024 at 11:20:52 AM

In either case, both BOTW Link and this Link are unlucky. One went into a coma for 100 years and now lives in a world that he doesn't fully recognize. The other gets the Damsel in Distress treatment just as he's about to free Zelda and finish his quest.

Edited by Shadao on Sep 27th 2024 at 11:21:14 AM

RacattackForce (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#38: Sep 27th 2024 at 11:31:55 AM

I think either Hyrule Historia or the Encyclopedia did suggest they were the same, but that just doesn't hold up to scrutiny.
Historia said it was the same Link, then Encyclopedia ran it back a few years later, IIRC.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#39: Sep 27th 2024 at 11:34:44 AM

Yeah I was confused at that whole turnaround.

I guess it’s because Oracle Link looks way too young?

Granted, Koume and Kotake do seem to treat him as the same Link who killed Ganon back in ALTTP.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
The-Azure-Star-Of-Orion Long time lurker from a deep dark hole Since: Mar, 2022 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
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#40: Sep 27th 2024 at 12:57:07 PM

Anyways I was wrong, but I was still right on Zelda in BOTW being the thirteenth in the series.

After 10 year plus years I have the confidence to be here. My one and only Fate servent.
diddyknux (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#41: Sep 27th 2024 at 1:22:54 PM

What I meant was, both the Oracle games and Link to the Past have their dialogue as if Link and Zelda are meeting for the first time. I may have worded that confusingly in my last post. (I also might just straight up be wrong. It's been known to happen)

Anyway, this topic isn't meant for timeline shenanigans.

Gerudo and Zora area minor spoilers - Not plot, just in the sense of "I don't want to influence the order other first time players do things if they don't want to be influenced" kind of thing.

I'm glad I did the Gerudo region first. The Flying Tile has been a useful traversal tool in some places. Although it'd definetly be interesting to go through these games again and switch up the order. Finished up the pre-work to the third (or it could've been second) dungeon, Jabul Ruins, but stopped before doing the dungeon itself. Water blocks are a bit awkward to use. They don't always create where you want them to. Especially if you wanted to go vertically. Maybe I just need to aim Zelda better? I don't know, still getting used to it.

Edited by diddyknux on Sep 27th 2024 at 2:42:53 AM

diddyknux (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#42: Sep 27th 2024 at 4:25:29 PM

Zelda solves problems with her wisdom.

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Smasher from The 1830's, but without the racists (Don’t ask) Relationship Status: The best thing that ever happened to a bum like me
#43: Sep 27th 2024 at 6:01:33 PM

So, is this basically a 2D version of BOTW/TOTOK or is it a bigger version of A Link to the Past?

Edited by Smasher on Sep 27th 2024 at 9:19:58 AM

diddyknux (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#44: Sep 27th 2024 at 6:27:02 PM

I'd say it's closer to a bigger version of a Link to the Past. You have a lot of freedom to tackle obstacles in different ways, but everything else is mostly free in the way that Link to the Past is free. You get some choice in when to tackle dungeons and overworld exploration, limited by abilities (in this case, sometimes Echoes and sometimes other things) gating you, but some dungeons and story points still have to be done in order.

Edited by diddyknux on Sep 27th 2024 at 6:27:53 AM

Ghilz Perpetually Confused from Yeeted at Relativistic Velocities Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#45: Sep 27th 2024 at 7:54:20 PM

I will say, Nintendo, please, hire a UI guy.

I love this game, but there has to be a better way to cycle through echoes. A grid would've been nice? Or creature/object tabs. And I know there's a grid layout in the notebook for your echoes but that's so inconvenient to go to.

Instead it's a long ass line you gotta scroll through with some dubiously useful sort options

Edited by Ghilz on Sep 27th 2024 at 10:55:28 AM

ShirowShirow Dinosaur Hunter from Land of Maple Syrup (Old as dirt)
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#46: Sep 27th 2024 at 8:00:56 PM

People where worried about that since the mechanic was announced. [lol]

I wouldn't mind a object/monster split at all I'll say that.

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ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#47: Sep 27th 2024 at 8:01:09 PM

Eh, I find the several sorting options that are given fine as is. You're generally going to be using your last-used or most-used echoes 90% of the time. When something is introduced it's generally of immediate use to bypass the current obstacle, and then the things that you use the most are usually that way for a reason.

[up]There is a monster/object split. One of the sorting methods is Type.

Edited by ArthurEld on Sep 27th 2024 at 8:02:10 AM

diddyknux (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#48: Sep 27th 2024 at 8:11:59 PM

I just use the notebook if I need to go deep into the list. I don't find it that inconvenient. Not much difference between that and "quick" changing to me.

ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#49: Sep 27th 2024 at 8:28:47 PM

Has Impa ever had a brother before?

ShirowShirow Dinosaur Hunter from Land of Maple Syrup (Old as dirt)
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#50: Sep 27th 2024 at 8:58:53 PM

Man, do not underestimate the combat applications of Bind. Holding something still for one of your echoes to wail on is always fun. That or covering something in spikey sea urchins. Is Zelda a sadist? She feels like a sadist.

[up][up][up] I'm thinking more "At a button's press notice" like holding right gets you monsters and holding right+Y gets you objects or something.

Edited by ShirowShirow on Sep 27th 2024 at 8:59:51 AM

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