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Ruined Forever: Harmless Fun or Wall Bangers 2.0?

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GoosefromWikipedia (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded)
#1: Sep 1st 2024 at 4:40:14 PM

Ruined FOREVER is listed on Tropes Needing TRS with this reason?

It's been pointed out in the complaining cleanup thread that it's often used as a less strict version of Dethroning Moment of Suck, since you don't have to sign your entries, can add as many examples as you want, and are encouraged to write in a completely emotional tone with no attempt at objectivity. In addition, a 2012 TRS thread raised concerns that it's redundant with Fan Dumb and They Changed It, Now It Sucks!. The former Darth Wiki page Wall Bangers was sent to the Permanent Red Link Club exactly because "DMOS but with less restrictions" was redundant and allowed unrestrained complaining. *

I agree for the most part. Ruined FOREVER is supposed to make fun of fans overreacting to things, but without a lot of restrictions, it's easy for somebody to pass off genuine complaining as "oh, it's just something those dumb fans believe!" Even if Ruined Forever was used correct all the time, there's always going to be someone out there who flips out over the smallest development, so I think making this a definition-only page would make sense.

What are your thoughts on Ruined Forever? Is it ultimately harmless in the long run, or should we do something with it?

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#2: Sep 1st 2024 at 4:55:19 PM

I'll note it's currently on the TRS Queue, although the OP of that thread is currently suspended.

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GoosefromWikipedia (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded)
#3: Sep 1st 2024 at 5:11:19 PM

I didn't notice that when I made this thread, whoops.

MorganWick (Elder Troper)
#4: Sep 2nd 2024 at 3:47:55 AM

I have a proposed post for the eventual thread in my notes that would point out the "supposed to make fun of fans overreacting to things" element, but I'm not sure it's actually possible to restrict it to that without keeping people from using it unironically, so I'd end up suggesting making it definition-only or Flame Bait.

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#5: Sep 15th 2024 at 7:54:28 PM

[up]Ruined FOREVER is already classified as Flame Bait, though. There's a reason why it's there; stuff that's considered too negative opinion-wise isn't to be put on the main site and is instead reserved for the Darth Wiki.

I sadly doubt he would like Popeyes, though...
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