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opal6561 Opalinski (he/him) from Who knows? Since: Aug, 2020 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
Opalinski (he/him)
#1: Jun 27th 2024 at 11:33:45 AM

Opening a thread on whether we should restore (non-real life) examples, as The Second Google Incident occurred twelve years ago as of the day of writing and no other issues with advertisers have occurred since then. Wicks can be found at this page.

Edited by opal6561 on Jun 27th 2024 at 2:34:14 PM

Some autistic aromantic young man
animuacid The girl of the window from Astyr residence in Lilysthia's grounds Since: Jan, 2024 Relationship Status: I love you for psychological reasons
The girl of the window
#2: Jul 2nd 2024 at 3:33:36 PM

Given that Dressed Like a Dominatrix exists and has examples like usual, we could allow them on the Dominatrix page.

But it's necessary to collect at least 20 of them.

WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (3,795/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (3,795/50,000)
#3: Jul 2nd 2024 at 3:34:14 PM

I mean, dressing like a dominatrix and actually being one are very different.

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Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#4: Jul 2nd 2024 at 7:47:37 PM

Honestly, I'd merge the two tropes and say that Tropes Are Flexible, so either being an actual pro dominatrix or just having the outfit and personality would qualify under the same trope.

WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (3,795/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (3,795/50,000)
#5: Jul 2nd 2024 at 7:48:57 PM

The Dressed Like a Dominatrix trope isn't even about personality, it can just be fanservice. It's about the looks.

Being an actual dominatrix requires explaining how they are in the bedroom.

Now I'm not saying it can't have examples but the tropes are not the same thing.

Edited by WarJay77 on Jul 2nd 2024 at 10:49:08 AM

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Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#6: Jul 2nd 2024 at 7:50:40 PM

Note: To qualify for this trope, the character's costume as a whole, in conjunction with her personality, should be reminiscent of a dominatrix.

WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (3,795/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (3,795/50,000)
#7: Jul 2nd 2024 at 7:52:08 PM

Maybe it's a useful visual shorthand to show that a female character is evil (or at least antiheroic) and dominant. Maybe it's just an excuse for including some Author Appeal or Fanservice. Or maybe it's both. In any case, many evil or antiheroic dominant female characters wear costumes obviously inspired by Dominatrix outfits.

That note contradicts the first paragraph.

And anyway, just having the "personality" of a dom doesn't mean you are one. I don't see the value in merging a sexual character trope into a fanservice trope that maybe has a personality component.

Edited by WarJay77 on Jul 2nd 2024 at 10:53:37 AM

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Amonimus the "Retromancer" from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
the "Retromancer"
#8: Jul 3rd 2024 at 12:46:35 AM

This is not Trope Repair Shop.

As for unlocking, I don't see why not.

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opal6561 Opalinski (he/him) from Who knows? Since: Aug, 2020 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
Opalinski (he/him)
#9: Jul 3rd 2024 at 5:32:37 AM

If we do restore examples, we can start a thread on TRS on whether we should merge the tropes, because that's not the point of this thread.

Some autistic aromantic young man
WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (3,795/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (3,795/50,000)
#10: Jul 3rd 2024 at 8:30:36 AM

Going back to my original point-

Just because Dressed Like a Dominatrix is fine doesn't necessarily mean this one will be. It's probably OK but would we have enough "good" examples?

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opal6561 Opalinski (he/him) from Who knows? Since: Aug, 2020 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
Opalinski (he/him)
#11: Jul 3rd 2024 at 10:22:14 AM

Examples are preserved in the history, as this page wasn't cut and restored like Naughty Tentacles was. However, a good chunk of them are ZCEs.

Some autistic aromantic young man
WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (3,795/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (3,795/50,000)
#12: Jul 3rd 2024 at 10:23:27 AM

To be clear, I mean "good" as in "not policy violating".

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StarSword Captain of USS Bajor from somewhere in deep space Since: Sep, 2011
Captain of USS Bajor
#13: Jul 3rd 2024 at 10:46:58 AM

I'd be okay with restoring anything usable from the example section, but I think someone should do wick checks on this and Dressed Like a Dominatrix to determine whether there's any point to keeping this in the first place.

Trust me, I'm an engineer!
jandn2014 SMILE! from somewhere in Connecticut Since: Aug, 2017 Relationship Status: Hiding
SMILE!
#14: Jul 3rd 2024 at 10:54:20 AM

Regardless, I’m in favor of unlocking and restoring examples.

JHD0919 (Life not ruined yet)
#15: Jul 3rd 2024 at 11:01:02 AM

I too am in favor of unlocking and restoring on-page examples. Let's hold off on discussion regarding the wick checks until the page is unlocked.

Edited by JHD0919 on Jul 3rd 2024 at 2:01:20 PM

animuacid The girl of the window from Astyr residence in Lilysthia's grounds Since: Jan, 2024 Relationship Status: I love you for psychological reasons
The girl of the window
#16: Jul 3rd 2024 at 11:52:05 AM

Checking some wicks is useful here because we aren't going to restore the 2012 examples which don't hold up to today's standards of context, we are going to collect some of the current-off page examples.

Furthermore, a wick check can become an evidence that there are no lewdness issues.

Edit: I made Sandbox.Dominatrix Wicks, collecting 50 wicks with eroock's tool. At first glance, there's no one-handed stuff going on. Anyone is welcome to sort them.

Edited by animuacid on Jul 3rd 2024 at 9:23:30 PM

WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (3,795/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (3,795/50,000)
#17: Jul 3rd 2024 at 2:53:59 PM

People may be confused. The check was suggested for Dressed Like a Dominatrix, not this one.

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StarSword Captain of USS Bajor from somewhere in deep space Since: Sep, 2011
Captain of USS Bajor
#18: Jul 4th 2024 at 8:48:18 AM

[up]Actually no: since merging the two was on the table, we need wick checks for both to determine how they're being used off-page.

And yes, I know merging is technically Trope Repair Shop's job, but we can gather information here, right?

Edited by StarSword on Jul 4th 2024 at 11:49:21 AM

Trust me, I'm an engineer!
WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (3,795/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (3,795/50,000)
#19: Jul 4th 2024 at 9:07:02 AM

I don't know if we actually can. People keep getting off topic. All we can do here is vote to restore or not; the DLAD stuff has gotten everyone super distracted.

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animuacid The girl of the window from Astyr residence in Lilysthia's grounds Since: Jan, 2024 Relationship Status: I love you for psychological reasons
The girl of the window
#20: Jul 4th 2024 at 11:28:42 AM

I've completed the wick check and found about 15 Dominatrix examples that could be easily restored to the main page. Many others (24/50) were potholes, but some of them are in The Baroness or Whip of Dominance entries that can be easily reworked to be about Dominatrix because they have the same motifs or context. There were 10 zero-context examples.

The most promising result is finding no lewdness at all!

In favor of unlocking and restoring examples: Amonimus, animuacid, JHD0919, jandn2014, opal6561, StarSword, Ramidel, Echidna, worldwidewoomy, WarJay77, StalkerGamer

Edited by animuacid on Jul 11th 2024 at 8:37:08 PM

Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
opal6561 Opalinski (he/him) from Who knows? Since: Aug, 2020 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
Opalinski (he/him)
#22: Jul 4th 2024 at 12:32:37 PM

Restore but keep an eye on the page for lewdness.

Some autistic aromantic young man
worldwidewoomy (Plucky Ensign) Relationship Status: I miss my wife, Tails
WarJay77 It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (3,795/50,000) from My Writing Cave (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
It's NaNo, Bay-beeee! (3,795/50,000)
#24: Jul 4th 2024 at 2:06:07 PM

Restore

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Echidna from Ontario, Canada (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Two-timing

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